Question/advice about turning pro.

inside_english

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Is 40 too late to try to turn pro?
I know the life of a pro pool player is difficult, but I can't seem to get job satisfaction anymore in my current vocation.

I have some idea of what it would take...

1. Money in the bank during the "lean" times (which applies to life in general)

2. New shooting equipment
3. Possible table at home
4. Serious lessons
5. Practice daily
6. Playing in many tournaments

A little about me...I am an "average" player. I have never run more than 50 balls in 14.1, and I broke and ran 3 racks of 9-ball a few times in my life. I have been playing "off/on" for 20 years, but have never won anything major, and I have engaged in friendly wagers as well, no "serious" gambling. (I have never bet more than $300 on a game or set in my life).
I have been told by many that I have a great stroke...but so what if I don't win!

I also don't play more than twice a month, which would obviously have to change if I decide to take this path.

Feedback appreciated.
 
Before committing 100% to the "Pro" pool player life, I suggest you play in some big open events and see how you fare against stiff competition. See what its like living on the road and traveling and all that goes along with it before you jump all the way in. JMO.

Southpaw
 
I say... embrace the adventure... go for it!!... follow your dream... you're only young once. :)
 
The question you should ask yourself is "What standard of living do I want for myself?". As well you should look at retirement and how to acheive that if you change vocations.

I don't tend to give advice to people when it comes to life decisions as that I feel those are decision we make ourselves. That said, being a professional pool player is a life unlike much else. I have had the pleasure of speaking with a few road players who would never trade their life for one in a day to day 9 to 5 job. That said, life can be tough.

My advice, speak to a pro that has done it and ask how they got where they are. As about the whole story, not just the glory parts. Really get the information about what to expect. Then sleep on it. Think hard about what you would give up and what you would gain.

I am sure many of us would love to know we make our livings on the table. I myself would love it, but my wife and three kids might not. College for the kids might have an issue with that. The bank might not like it either.

Tough decision, good luck.
 
Being realistic, you only have to read a few stories about people who have playing all day every day for their entire lives to know your chances.
 
It's totally illogical.

It's the same as asking a group of people, "Do you think I should try jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge? I've jumped off things before."

There's a very good chance you won't even come close but everybody here is going to tell you to try anyway. I mean, if you're even thinking about it, I don't see why you bother asking us because obviously, logic means nothing to you.

Personally, I love being the weekend warrior. I love amateur status because I can play in anything and I don't think about my rent when I lose. Considering that even the top 20 professionals have a hard time making a living, I cannot fathom why ANYBODY would want to go pro unless they were reasonably certain they could be dominant.


Enjoy your jump. I hope the water is nice. Good luck.
 
As Cartman once said....

Follow your dreams...you can reach your goals....I'm livin' proof.
BEEFCAKE!!
 
Try To Go Pro?

Practice everyday for eight hours. Take lessons, read books and watch videos of the pro matches. If you do all this for about five years and you have the natural talent to go with it, you could make it to the pro-level in pool.
But wait, unless you?re in the top twenty or so out of the hundreds of professional pool players in the United States, you won?t earn over the poverty level after expenses. Some pros in other countries do far better. Their governments help sponsor them.
Here in the states most of the top tournaments pay between six and fifteen thousand for first place, with one paying forty. All you have to do is beat about fifty champions from all over the world. There might be ten of these a year all over the country. Then you have the many small tournaments across the country that pay one to five thousand for first. If you don?t have a sponsor that pays all your expenses, it comes out of your pocket. Figure ten tournaments a year, between a thousand and fifteen hundred dollars for each one you enter. That?s for entry fee, from two hundred to five hundred, hotel or motel at fifty to a hundred a night, times three or four nights, food and travel to get there and back. If you?re going from Florida to Vegas you?re looking at four to five hundred round-trip. And that?s not counting the many small tournaments you need to go to try and make ends meet. I can?t think of many jobs that would pay you less than thirty thousand a year for five years of experience, five years of schooling or instruction. They would all pay you more than most pros earn in tournaments.
Just go online and click on a few players from your state to see what they made over the years. Then count how many tournaments they played in a year. Let?s say they played in ten tournaments last year, winning Thirty-five thousand. Ten times a thousand each for expenses equals ten thousand. Then take fifteen percent out for Uncle Sam. As you can see, they earned less than twenty-five thousand without any healthcare, retirement, vacation, or any other perks a regular job has. And this is a pro pool player in the top thirty out of thousands of them. Most don?t even make expenses. They live with friends and relatives. They sleep in their old cars at tournaments, and borrow money to get by. It?s a shame. Just a note?in 2005 and 2006 there was a new nine million-dollar tour called the International Pool Tour that went under after four tournaments. About six million in prize money was won. Some players won two hundred thousand dollars or more. One won over a half a million. So when you check out the tournament payoffs for the players?don?t use 2005 or 2006. If this tour had made it, pool would be a major sport on TV today and players would have made a good living and be household names. Right now the women on the Women?s Professional Billiard Tour have their act together. They are the only real tour. You will see them on TV ten times more than the men are now. Some of the best female players in the world are on the tour, and more are coming to the United States every month. While we are on the subject of women pool players just let me say this. Don?t take any women you haven?t seen play lightly. There are thousands of women playing now that can hold their own or beat an average player. Most guys never associate women with hustling pool. Women that are at the tops of there state regional tours think nothing of jumping in their car and going a state or two away to hustle pool. A few of them make their living that way. Most of the top pro women can and have run over one hundred balls in straight pool without a miss. It?s not unusual for a woman pro to run five racks of nine-ball. If she is good-looking she will use that to her advantage. By the time the guy figures out that he?s being hustled, his wallet is empty. Been there, did that years ago and it wasn?t a top woman pro either. So you?ve been warned. I?m not saying never play a woman for money, I?m just saying be careful. Don?t jump into a game with her before you know how well she plays.

Years ago a good player could hustle pool on the road in other states where he or she weren?t known. Now you have the Internet with every pool pro, hustler, and road player at the click of a mouse. Every poolroom has a computer to check for pictures of that stranger that just walked in and wants to play for some big money. Add to that the cost of travel, motels, and food. Hustling on the road is just about a thing of the past. Which is really a shame because that?s where most of the great players and stories come from over the last hundred years.
Here are some of the hustles I?ve pulled and had pulled on me over the years.
 
In my opinion it sounds like you play pretty good for the amount of time that you spend practicing. If you changed that aspect for a couple of months and tried to really practice 2-4 hour a day and then looked at where you were I think that you could make your own decision. I don't like to give life changing advice to people especially when I don't know you, but I think that if you did that for a couple of months and then started playing any tournament you could afford to go to then you would get your answer.
Good luck in whatever you decide and keep us posted.
 
I can already save you money

Forget #2. Probably the last thing you need is new equipment when trying to bring your game to the next level. A table at home, definitely a plus. Serious lessons, another plus. Practicing almost every day, a given. Do all of these things while hanging on to your security. Then go find the 1000 to 10,000 added tournaments within driving range. If you don't place high in most of these, keep the day job.

If by "pro" you mean you want to be a road player that requires almost entirely different skill sets which you may or may not have now. For many it requires ethics that might be different than you have now too.

You could do like a golfer I know of did. He bided his time until he had his kids through college and then hit the senior tour. It wasn't nearly the security but he made far more on the senior golf tour than he did as an upper level executive.

Hu


inside_english said:
Is 40 too late to try to turn pro?
I know the life of a pro pool player is difficult, but I can't seem to get job satisfaction anymore in my current vocation.

I have some idea of what it would take...

1. Money in the bank during the "lean" times (which applies to life in general)

2. New shooting equipment
3. Possible table at home
4. Serious lessons
5. Practice daily
6. Playing in many tournaments

A little about me...I am an "average" player. I have never run more than 50 balls in 14.1, and I broke and ran 3 racks of 9-ball a few times in my life. I have been playing "off/on" for 20 years, but have never won anything major, and I have engaged in friendly wagers as well, no "serious" gambling. (I have never bet more than $300 on a game or set in my life).
I have been told by many that I have a great stroke...but so what if I don't win!

I also don't play more than twice a month, which would obviously have to change if I decide to take this path.

Feedback appreciated.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
It's totally illogical.

It's the same as asking a group of people, "Do you think I should try jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge? I've jumped off things before."

There's a very good chance you won't even come close but everybody here is going to tell you to try anyway. I mean, if you're even thinking about it, I don't see why you bother asking us because obviously, logic means nothing to you.

Personally, I love being the weekend warrior. I love amateur status because I can play in anything and I don't think about my rent when I lose. Considering that even the top 20 professionals have a hard time making a living, I cannot fathom why ANYBODY would want to go pro unless they were reasonably certain they could be dominant.


Enjoy your jump. I hope the water is nice. Good luck.

Damn, I would hate to be on a sinking ship with you! Talk about looking at the worst of everything. Maybe he just wants some POSITIVE reenforcement before he makes the plundge. Can he try.....sure. Does he have a great chance at succeeding...probably not, but then again not many do. But, I guess to some the glass is always half empty. JMO.

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
Damn, I would hate to be on a sinking ship with you! Talk about looking at the worst of everything. Maybe he just wants some POSITIVE reenforcement before he makes the plundge. Can he try.....sure. Does he have a great chance at succeeding...probably not, but then again not many do. But, I guess to some the glass is always half empty. JMO.

Southpaw


Are you friends with any professional players? I know some VERY talented players who I would put as favorites to win any tournament and they live hard lives. Their advantage is that they had their growing pains when they were young. Personally, I don't think it's responsible or even fair to try something like that at 30 unless you have more money than you know what to do with.
 
PoolSponge said:
The question you should ask yourself is "What standard of living do I want for myself?". As well you should look at retirement and how to acheive that if you change vocations.

I don't tend to give advice to people when it comes to life decisions as that I feel those are decision we make ourselves. That said, being a professional pool player is a life unlike much else. I have had the pleasure of speaking with a few road players who would never trade their life for one in a day to day 9 to 5 job. That said, life can be tough.

My advice, speak to a pro that has done it and ask how they got where they are. As about the whole story, not just the glory parts. Really get the information about what to expect. Then sleep on it. Think hard about what you would give up and what you would gain.

I am sure many of us would love to know we make our livings on the table. I myself would love it, but my wife and three kids might not. College for the kids might have an issue with that. The bank might not like it either.

Tough decision, good luck.


You know, it's funny you should mention retirement. I was just reviewing my 401k contributions, making usual considerations - should I contribute more? How much can I afford? Is my portfolio diverse enough, etc. Seriously, the idea of not having something like that is frightening. Any illness, any problem and you're bust and as you get older, the illnesses get more serious and the problems get more expensive.

If pool were incredibly lucrative like baseball or golf, I would have a different outlook. And don't get me wrong or twist my thoughts, I have A TON of respect for those that choose to play professionally but many of them as they get older have turned toward other means of making money. Tony Robles, Mika Immonen, Charlie Williams do not make all of their money through winnings alone.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Are you friends with any professional players? I know some VERY talented players who I would put as favorites to win any tournament and they live hard lives. Their advantage is that they had their growing pains when they were young. Personally, I don't think it's responsible or even fair to try something like that at 30 unless you have more money than you know what to do with.

Well, Im afraid Im only friends with about 20 or 30 pro players....guess I shouldnt speak out.

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
Well, Im afraid Im only friends with about 20 or 30 pro players....guess I shouldnt speak out.

Southpaw


No please, that's fine. Since you're friends with them, you should know a bit about how they make a living. Is all their money from winnings? Do they teach? If so, how many lessons do they give a week? If not, do they have other means of making money? Are they gambling for a living?
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
No please, that's fine. Since you're friends with them, you should know a bit about how they make a living. Is all their money from winnings? Do they teach? If so, how many lessons do they give a week? If not, do they have other means of making money? Are they gambling for a living?

Well just to throw out a few, Ive known Johnny Archer for about 10 yrs so how would he rate on your scale? Others include Corey, John Scmidt, Shannon.....there are more. Like Stevie Moore, who is a really good friend of mine, he works a part time job 2 nights a week and still travels and plays in tournies and does very well. Pool is for the most part an individual sport and you get out of it exactly what you put into it. I didnt tell the guy to jump right into it....I told him to play in some tournies and see how he does and to try the road life (traveling for tournies). Im not gonna get on here and tell someone to forget about taking a shot at something they want to try.


Southpaw
 
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Southpaw said:
Well just to throw out a few, Ive known Johnny Archer for about 10 yrs so how would he rate on your scale? Others include Corey, John Scmidt, Shannon.....there are more. I didnt tell the guy to jump right into it....I told him to play in some tournies and see how he does and to try the road life (traveling for tournies). Im not gonna get on here and tell someone to forget about taking a shot at something they want to try.


Southpaw


Yes, you just named some of the greatest pool players of all time as your models. There is a term for this. It's called "Rose colored glasses". Keep looking at those guys and the idea of being a professional player doesn't look so bad.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Yes, you just named some of the greatest pool players of all time as your models. There is a term for this. It's called "Rose colored glasses". Keep looking at those guys and the idea of being a professional player doesn't look so bad.

I knew that was coming so I edited my previous post...please re-read.

Southpaw
 
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