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Alaskin Assasin

Fisher Cues
Silver Member
Hello,

Some of you might know that I introduced myself on here 2-3 weeks ago and offered some of the cues I've built for sale. Post was named "anyone want cues with G-10". I sold 7 cues to 5 different customers. 2 are not members of azbilliards forum, they watch for good deals or something that catchs there eye. 3 are members and very respected for there opinions and thoughs. All 3 members to my suprise, as a condition for buying a cue I can't tell anyone that they bought a cue from me until they tried it and what ever. Keep in mind these are three different people, asking for the same amminimoty? Well I thought nothing of it. I got Paid for the cues, sent them out, 1 needed to be finished so It took 5 days more. Any way they've all had there cues for atleast 2 weeks. One sent his cue back to have us build him 2 extra shafts with it, and exclaimed this might be the softest hitting cue he's ever played with, and how much he loves it. Guy #2 Say's he likes the hit but the 14' taper is alittle too much for him"he has shot with a schular w/ a 10in. taper for 7 years. So he sold the cue to a friend, at a profit, and sent the money to me and is now having us build him a new cue w/ stiffer shafts. His friend loves the cue by the way. Guy #3 Who in my opinion has a very good reputation for knowing what a good cue hits like" and alot of you out there would agree if I could tell you who he is. Anyway he bought 2 cues, A playing cue, and a Master Blaster B/J. He said the same thing as guy #1 Soft hit, great feel and that his custom cue by a popular cue maker is in the closet. And he loves the break/jump too quote him: pounds the balls like no other, jumps like a dream. Great comments. I will admit I'm not satisfied w/our finishing, that is our big project right now. But all in all nothing but great comments.

Here's where I don't understand????

I asked them all if they could take a minute and post a quick note and let other people know what they thought about our cues, and this is what all of them said, in a nut shell.

Well you're pretty new and I'd hate to offend other cue makers that have been apart of this forum for along time and never bought a cue from them, it might burn bridges.

I don't want the other guys on this forum to know I bought a cue from a very unknown cue maker, I'd get so much Sh&*.

You need to get a reputation, if others start posting, I will too.

2 of them said If I did post their names, they'd slam my cues????


This isn't the way it is, Is it? I thought you got a reputation #1 by what others thought about your cues and telling people about them, and how you conduct business. I don't think I'm the next big thing or anything like that but why would people be embarrased to talk about a cue they bought from a unknown cue maker? I read threads all the time talking about this guy, and this guy and so on. Did I say something wrong in any of my past posts that might make people feel this way? If I did I'm sorry, I'd just like a chance.

If anyone has any thing constructive to say, good or bad, or just an opinion I welcome it.

Sorry for the whinning, I just don't really understand, anyone else encountered this??

Bryan Fisher
Fisher Cues
 
1) reputation is not built overnight
2) reputation is not built by insisting on it
 
Jazz said:
1) reputation is not built overnight
2) reputation is not built by insisting on it
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Well that's true, and something I know. My question is why would any of that cause them not to post when they post all the time and talk about cues that aren't in the mainstream, why wouldn't they say something good or bad, about mine?

Thanks for your post.

Bryan Fisher
Fisher Cues
 
Bryan, I asked you to make me a cue and when i get it i will post exactly what I feel.I am not a dealer so I am not worried about offending anyone.If I did offend someone by buying a cue from you well thats just too bad.There are just so many whiners and criers on this board.I swear its like jumping into a girls sorierty house.If I was you i would post who bought the cues anyway.too bad if joe cuemaker dosn't like it.I think you have them scared at your pricepoint.i know I will probably get flamed for this.I can handle it I am a big boy.
 
Bryan,

Assuming you're telling the whole story, I can only say that you've sold cues to a couple of pussies.

I have a very good friend who made me somewhat self-conscious about owning two Skip Westons, with a third in the works. I've gotten over it, and post prolifically on Skip's cues, every chance I get.

-Roger (when/if this thread gets ugly, you should refrain from jumping in)
 
I don't care what any one will say on this board.I love new cue makers and will tell any one what I think.It is stupid guys like jimbo who talk to much crap.I won't judge a cue until I have tryed it.If the cue hitt's like shit I tell ya thats how I am .People have got mad at me in the past for giving blud shit oh well thats life ,I had 7 of his cues and the quality and the shafts sucked thats my opinion and I will state it any time I want. I am a big fan of new cuemakers My favorite cue Maker would have to be Kenny murrell who makes one nice looking awsome playing cue very impresive to me good point's good shaft wood and awsome skin's and wood wraps. I also tryed a new cheap clint putman cue costed $225 cheap but the cue was made nice and hit pretty well But the finish was crap.In the last 2 day I have pick up a falcon and Espiritu for the price they both play well and the shaft wood and the finish was nice.A cue does not have to cost $2,000 to be a good cue.I have had or bought over 200 cues in the 11 years I been playing. Thats no joke. I no what a good hitting cue is and that is what ever fit's your style of play. I would try one of your cues out if the price is right.I have had 4 pat deviney cues who also uses a g-10 pin also a new cue maker Love his butter fly splices but don't like his reg shaft tapers.But he is also a awsome guy to talk to and make the cue wright for you.All this is just my 2 cents :D
 
I'm curious to know who they are......

I have several cues, a few being from unknown cuemakers. Who really cares what people own? It's how they hit for each other.

Personally, I would've posted about your cues with my impressions and let you (and the board) know what I thought of your cues. I think to not do so would not be fair.

Bryan - if you want to send me a cue, I'd be happy to give (and post) my full opinion.... :D

btw - I prefer a stiffer hit to a softer hit. :p
 
Maybe their worried that they will black balled by other cuemakers and they wont be able to get the" low pricing, and availability" that us lower people get when we try to buy from the big names..... Thus "cutting their noses of to spite their face"..................... My 2cents.............. :eek:
 
When I joined this forum, The members and especially the other cuemakers were nothing but gentlemen. This board is very receptive to new members and new products, and you definitely don't have to go far for an opinion around here.
So with that being said!

Don't compare your cues to others, No one has that right. Produce your cues because you believe in what you are doing. That's the selling point for all cuemakers.
Not,
Buy these because their X amount of dollars cheaper than so an so.
Be a member of the forums, and give people a chance to get to know you.
Good Luck and Happy Cuemaking.
 
bobroberts said:
Bryan, I asked you to make me a cue and when i get it i will post exactly what I feel.I am not a dealer so I am not worried about offending anyone.If I did offend someone by buying a cue from you well thats just too bad.There are just so many whiners and criers on this board.I swear its like jumping into a girls sorierty house.If I was you i would post who bought the cues anyway.too bad if joe cuemaker dosn't like it.I think you have them scared at your pricepoint.i know I will probably get flamed for this.I can handle it I am a big boy.
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Tap tap tap!

I get made fun of alot because of my buying and selling cues. I get made fun of because I am a wheelchair player and therefore how could I possibly know how a cue hits. I have just learned to overlook the ignorants (drivermaker) and go on with my life.

And if you want my opinion of the most unknown cuemaker on this board, buy a Jack Kompan cue. You won't regret it.

Shorty
 
Jazz said:
1) reputation is not built overnight
2) reputation is not built by insisting on it
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That is tru .But if u do buy a cue .from someone on az we should know what other people think about be it good or bad .But tasteful..

I have some unknowed q makers in my house and a put there name on az cause thats how new q makers become knowed ..But i will say this .Some new q makes come out saleing q'z High out the gate.Askin a lot and tellin peole that there q's hit great ,But that should be up to the buyer..Not the maker,, ( on the hit) I have met a lot of new q makers .That sold cues for good prices with great work on it ..

Plz unstand im not knockin new, and unknow makers. I feel some should look to sale there q's at a good price .b4 looking to get 10000.dollars for a q cause thay feel it's worth it..
And when u get it don't play like u hope it would..
There were some top cues makers that gave cues away. jus to get players info on how the q's played ..

Players keep q makers in the bizzness..
Jus my 2 cents...
 
new cuemakers

i'm not a cuemaker. i wish i was. i don't have the proper equipment. i've just been messing around with making conversions. at this time, it's all i'm capable of doing. but, i love it. i've had no training whatsoever. lately, i been getting some help from sherm adamson and qbilder. and the cuemakers on this forum have been a tremendous help also.
it's hard to break into this business, being an unknown. just look at all the outstanding quality cues out there by many many cuemakers. some real tough competition.
i thought i got lucky recently. a cue i converted and sold to a guy in the phillipines, ran into francisco bustamante one nite. mr. bustamante asked why he was playing with a sneaky and asked to try it out. he shot a few games with it. said he liked it. if only noel had his camera with him, that would have been great to have a pic of francisco using my cue. but, we all know, that man can shoot with a broom handle and beat most people!!!!
bryan, good luck with your cues.
Brent "frustrated as you are" Hartman
BHQ
Cincy, Ohio
 
pooldogue said:
Maybe their worried that they will black balled :eek:
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Hey!! I am not available!!

I agree that those who have refused to be acknowledged as happy and satsfied are whimpy!

Buying cues from up& comeers can certainly be speculative, but I got the best deal ever on my cues, now the same cue costs LOTS more.

Bryan- be proud of you work and don't let the bastards get you down!
 
stix4sale said:
i'm not a cuemaker. i wish i was. i don't have the proper equipment. i've just been messing around with making conversions. at this time, it's all i'm capable of doing. but, i love it. i've had no training whatsoever. lately, i been getting some help from sherm adamson and qbilder. and the cuemakers on this forum have been a tremendous help also.
it's hard to break into this business, being an unknown. just look at all the outstanding quality cues out there by many many cuemakers. some real tough competition.
i thought i got lucky recently. a cue i converted and sold to a guy in the phillipines, ran into francisco bustamante one nite. mr. bustamante asked why he was playing with a sneaky and asked to try it out. he shot a few games with it. said he liked it. if only noel had his camera with him, that would have been great to have a pic of francisco using my cue. but, we all know, that man can shoot with a broom handle and beat most people!!!!
bryan, good luck with your cues.
Brent "frustrated as you are" Hartman
BHQ
Cincy, Ohio
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Hay s4s i'll buy a cue from u .. But see there are a lot of peole who say i make q's .And us put them together ( getting someone elsa to do the real work) and come to find out that thay were gettin them from Flea bay And put there names on them..That is sh&%$,, ....Man i know some people who do that .BUt i'll never tell..
Jus look out for ,the bull sh&&& q makers .u'll see them ..
 
Alaskin Assasin said:
Here's where I don't understand????

I asked them all if they could take a minute and post a quick note and let other people know what they thought about our cues, and this is what all of them said, in a nut shell.

Well you're pretty new and I'd hate to offend other cue makers that have been apart of this forum for along time and never bought a cue from them, it might burn bridges.

I don't want the other guys on this forum to know I bought a cue from a very unknown cue maker, I'd get so much Sh&*.

You need to get a reputation, if others start posting, I will too.

2 of them said If I did post their names, they'd slam my cues????
Bryan Fisher
Fisher Cues
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Bryan, For what it's worth, you seem to have the first attribute that is required of a GOOD cuemaker. That is, "Humility". don't let go of it. All too often people in business think clients are going to beat a path to their doors to buy. It just isn't like that, and possibly, most especially in the cuemaking industry. It is physically impossible for you to satisfy every players taste, don't even try. Build what you feel in your heart is a good cue, and with each one you build, try to make it just a little better than the last. In theory, eventually you will end up with the "perfect cue". In real life though, you won't. There is always going to be somthing you might like to improve upon. Or at least there should be.
I feel sure there are some members here that would give you an honest appraisal of your work in this forum. I'm also sure there are some that are going to whine and complain just to see their words on the internet. Then there are some that just cannot be satisfied regardless of what you do for them. You may want to ask yourself if you really want to use this forum as a "sounding board" for your work. Personally, I would not! Whether the comments on your work be good or bad, do you want to stake your reputation on what is stated in here? My advice to you is, (once again, for what it's worth) introduce yourself to one of the makers that's been around a while (not necessarily a member of this forum). Ask him if he will critique one of your cues. If necessary, send the cue to him so he can see it close up and possibly hit a ball or two with it. I doubt you will find a better evaluation than one done by someone in the business. There are plenty makers around that are not ego filled or threatened by a new cuemaker on the scene. PM if you need help on your finish.
 
Just worry about satisfying your customers and your name will get out there if you put out a good product for a reasonable price. Your reputation and the hit of your cues will move them over time.
 
I'd like to get a look

That is one crazy story. I've been buying custom cues for nearly 20 years and have always tried to be honest with every builder I've dealt with. I think new cue builders should be very cautious about these alleged dealers and there motivations. In my experience the best and only way for me to buy custom cues is from the builder. I realize everybody wants to make a dollar, but damn, the guys who spend all the dough on the equipment and materials are the ones who should be making the money. I know some of the current "hot" cuemakers on a personal level and they secretly hate all of the BS that goes on at the shows and on this board. They would like their cues to end up in the hands of people who play pool and appreciate their craft, not larcenous cue-whores who can't draw their damn cue-ball. So, send me a pm with some specs and pics if you can, I would love to get a look and maybe order a cue. I've found a few gems in the more modern cue-builders in the last few years and would like to think that I've helped further their careers with honest evaluations and promotion of cues that I truly like. I don't give a damn about making money on buying and selling cues, I'm just a true enthusiast who loves the game and the art of cue-building. The fact that people soil the custom market with these ridiculous practices and pricing schemes makes me want to puke and take up golf.
 
pathman said:
That is one crazy story. I've been buying custom cues for nearly 20 years and have always tried to be honest with every builder I've dealt with. I think new cue builders should be very cautious about these alleged dealers and there motivations. In my experience the best and only way for me to buy custom cues is from the builder. I realize everybody wants to make a dollar, but damn, the guys who spend all the dough on the equipment and materials are the ones who should be making the money. I know some of the current "hot" cuemakers on a personal level and they secretly hate all of the BS that goes on at the shows and on this board. They would like their cues to end up in the hands of people who play pool and appreciate their craft, not larcenous cue-whores who can't draw their damn cue-ball. So, send me a pm with some specs and pics if you can, I would love to get a look and maybe order a cue. I've found a few gems in the more modern cue-builders in the last few years and would like to think that I've helped further their careers with honest evaluations and promotion of cues that I truly like. I don't give a damn about making money on buying and selling cues, I'm just a true enthusiast who loves the game and the art of cue-building. The fact that people soil the custom market with these ridiculous practices and pricing schemes makes me want to puke and take up golf.
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Well said!!!!!!!!!!
 
buddha162 said:
Bryan,

Assuming you're telling the whole story, I can only say that you've sold cues to a couple of pussies.

I have a very good friend who made me somewhat self-conscious about owning two Skip Westons, with a third in the works. I've gotten over it, and post prolifically on Skip's cues, every chance I get.

-Roger (when/if this thread gets ugly, you should refrain from jumping in)
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Definitely concur with the above "pussies" statement. Buy what you want, keep what you like and don't take any crap over it. Who's this Skip Weston guy anyway???
 
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