Question for Jay Helfert
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alstl said:
Break and shoot. Meaning you do NOT get ball in hand after the break. If you run 15, it's a perfect inning. The maximum score for five innings is 75. That's why Gabe's 60 is so amazing. By far the highest score I've ever seen at this game. And probably will ever see.
jay helfert said:Break and shoot. Meaning you do NOT get ball in hand after the break. If you run 15, it's a perfect inning. The maximum score for five innings is 75. That's why Gabe's 60 is so amazing. By far the highest score I've ever seen at this game. And probably will ever see.
Thanks. Is there a preferred way to break the balls?
I hope you've thrown down the gauntlet to all the upper crust one-holers.It would be great if this format becomes a major thing in the pool world. If it does can you imagine Frost, Daulton, Reyes, etc. eternally plunking down ducats trying to be the first "75" ?jay helfert said:Break and shoot. Meaning you do NOT get ball in hand after the break. If you run 15, it's a perfect inning. The maximum score for five innings is 75. That's why Gabe's 60 is so amazing. By far the highest score I've ever seen at this game. And probably will ever see.
When do balls spot? What happens if you scratch on the break? Can you get a 15 score if you have scratched on the break? Which fouls are called?jay helfert said:Break and shoot. Meaning you do NOT get ball in hand after the break. If you run 15, it's a perfect inning. The maximum score for five innings is 75. That's why Gabe's 60 is so amazing. By far the highest score I've ever seen at this game. And probably will ever see.
Bob Jewett said:
The way I have seen the game played if yoiu scratch the inning is over. Though I have to admit I have only seen about 8 games. 5 of those games involved Keith McCready and in one of those games it was the 1st time that I saw 15 balls run in one inning. Gabes 60 in 5 is mind boggling! If there were not as many witness' as claimed I would say BS. That is amazing!!
fan-tum said:
It won't happen in your lifetime. In fact, it will never happen on a normal table. Maybe one with 5" pockets, it could, but I still doubt it.
I don't think I'll ever see Gabe's 60 beaten. That may be the record for a long, long time. Kind of like Bob Beamon's 30' Long Jump. And Babe Ruth's 60 HR's. That one lasted about 40 years, until Roger Maris came along.
alstl said:
Ask Allen Hopkins. He showed everyone how to break this year. Kind of a normal One Pocket break except much harder.
Bob Jewett said:
If you make a ball on the break in your pocket, it counts. If you make it in another pocket on the break, it spots immediately after the break shot. If you make a ball in the wrong hole at any other time, it stays down until you have cleared the table, and then it spots back up.
If you scratch on the break, you lose one and get to shoot with BIH from behind the head string. The best score you can now get is a 14. Best to play this game with fouls on all balls. It is not always played that way, although we did in DCC.
By the way, if you make a ball on the break and scratch, it spots back up immediately after the break shot.
the trick it seems to me is in the break, like most games in pool. pushing 3 to 5 balls over by the hole, and leaving the rest open enough to run a few and bank the rest. is this about how it goes???
I saw Efren run off 15 but the stack wasnt ever blown open he just chipped away at the edges because he was playing a guy 12-4 he ran 12 and out for the $$$(there was no real oppertunity to open the stack until it got down to 8 balls and 2 went up table) and 2 railed in the next 2(the only 2 to go up table) and the last ball was straight in the hole, Efren shot the last 3 for fun while his customer was getting more $$$ from his soon to be busted backer, this in Hardtimes in the late 80's I was the only one watching. Before Efren had convinenced everyone how strong he played, the poolroom was busy and nobody was paying attention to Efren
. I said back then nobody has ever played 1 hole like him and I'd bet that if he tried everyday to get to 75 on that prop bet he would do it in a year.
I wish I would have seen Gabe run that 60, that score will hold for a few years-since its really only once a year anyone is attempting it. I would bet that it wouldnt last for a year, a few guys would get in the mid 60's and Efren would pop the 75, if they were doing it everyday, it is one hell of a prop bet to give someone a stated period of time and all the attempts they want.
I saw Efren run off 15 but the stack wasnt ever blown open he just chipped away at the edges because he was playing a guy 12-4 he ran 12 and out for the $$$(there was no real oppertunity to open the stack until it got down to 8 balls and 2 went up table) and 2 railed in the next 2(the only 2 to go up table) and the last ball was straight in the hole, Efren shot the last 3 for fun while his customer was getting more $$$ from his soon to be busted backer, this in Hardtimes in the late 80's I was the only one watching. Before Efren had convinenced everyone how strong he played, the poolroom was busy and nobody was paying attention to Efren
. I said back then nobody has ever played 1 hole like him and I'd bet that if he tried everyday to get to 75 on that prop bet he would do it in a year.I wish I would have seen Gabe run that 60, that score will hold for a few years-since its really only once a year anyone is attempting it. I would bet that it wouldnt last for a year, a few guys would get in the mid 60's and Efren would pop the 75, if they were doing it everyday, it is one hell of a prop bet to give someone a stated period of time and all the attempts they want.
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Didn't John Schmidt say he tried this game and scored 70 or 72? Probably not a Diamond table, but still scary if true. Maybe someone will put up a $1000 bonus if anyone runs 70 or more at the next DCC.
Might be fun to have an AZ challenge like the 14.1 high run where members post their scores at this game.
Might be fun to have an AZ challenge like the 14.1 high run where members post their scores at this game.
iba7467 said:
This is correct. If you take BIH to start the inning, it is a different game. Especially so for a player like John Schmidt. When you have to play the cue ball where it stops it becomes far more difficult. You can start out with no shot, frozen against a ball. That's one wasted inning.
bud green said:
I will give ANYONE in the world fifty tries at beating a 60. And we can bet $10,000. And I didn't stutter!
