Question for Justin... TAR One Pocket Challenge

I will buy any match (one pocket, 9ball, 10ball, straight pool, etc) as long as I like the matchup. I was very excited to see Johnny Archer playing. Efren vs Anyone at any game and I am buying as well.

Is there any chance to see some of the living legends like Nick Varner or Mike Seigel play on TAR before they are just a mere memory?
 
bstroud said:
One way to make one pocket more interesting for TAR would be to have the players play Run Out One Pocket.

Each player gets 10 breaks and tries to make as many balls in one pocket as they can each inning.

Par for the better players would be 100. That is a ten ball average for each inning. Very difficult but doable for the best players.

Each player would have alternate breaks so you would get to see both players play.

Not true one pocket but one foul is not true 9 ball.

Bill Stroud
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Bill, I believe that takes away from what is a beautiful game. If i wanted to watch the run out all the time, why not just watch 10 ball. I understand it's more difficult but come on, one pocket is perfect the way it is.

Nice cues btw
 
Out of curiosity, do you have an e-mail/notification list that includes pool halls? I think it would be great to have these streamed to a local hall. Perhaps a subscription for those kinds of clients? I inquired about having it set up at one here in Portland, but it was 'you have to talk to so-and-so'(who, of course, is never around when I am). Maybe if there were pre-made fliers for the events, they could just print them out and have their involvement be minimal. Just my two cents - you can put it in the piggy bank with all the other two cents you get. :thumbup: I figure if a hall could get people in to watch a match.. well, most players I know can only be around a table, watching a match, for so long before they have a need to knock some balls around.
 
I think 1p could sell. I was watching some 1 pocket a few weeks back and my wife came home after work while it was going on she sat down and showed interest. It was Frost play Schmidt semi final match I think it was from Hardtimes. Well anyway the games took some time but shots were pretty quick not any 4 minutes spent agonizing over shot shot after shot. It was definitely more of a game/interest to her than just watching players run out rack after rack as with rotation pool.


<<<--- cant wait till TAR has their inaugural Bonus Ball match.
 
JCIN said:
In my experience with the all arounds and the one one pocket match we did....they just do not sell at the numbers needed to break even.

That said I'm not opposed to doing a one pocket match if its the right guys. By right guys I mean a match that would draw as much interest as possible. Efren obviously being the top draw. Problem is he's not here much. Maybe September at the earliest. I am going to try and set up an all around between him and Shane then that includes one pocket, 8 ball and 10 ball.

The one pocket match we could probably do fairly easy with regards to player availability and one that interests me is Scott Frost vs Shane or Scott vs Alex. If Alex plays there would have to be a shot clock just because I like the guy too much to wanna hate him for taking 5 minutes to decide to bunt a ball two inches. My gut tells me Shane and Frost is the answer for a one pocket match that has a chance to make money though.

What do you think? You buy SVB vs Frost? Say race to 6 two out of three sets?
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I would LOVE to see Scott and Alex! That would be a good place to start, then maybe let some of those other top players decide if they want to challenge whoever wins. Ultimately getting Scott and Efren to play a 3 set format or 1 long race would be the nuts. I can't imagine you not pulling good ppv numbers with those matchups
 
elvicash said:
...I was watching some 1 pocket a few weeks back and my wife came home after work while it was going on she sat down and showed interest...


<<<--- cant wait till TAR has their inaugural Bonus Ball match.
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She was actually just wondering WTF was wron with you and how the fluck you could be interesetd in that boring crap!
 
perfect

JCIN said:
In my experience with the all arounds and the one one pocket match we did....they just do not sell at the numbers needed to break even.

That said I'm not opposed to doing a one pocket match if its the right guys. By right guys I mean a match that would draw as much interest as possible. Efren obviously being the top draw. Problem is he's not here much. Maybe September at the earliest. I am going to try and set up an all around between him and Shane then that includes one pocket, 8 ball and 10 ball.

The one pocket match we could probably do fairly easy with regards to player availability and one that interests me is Scott Frost vs Shane or Scott vs Alex. If Alex plays there would have to be a shot clock just because I like the guy too much to wanna hate him for taking 5 minutes to decide to bunt a ball two inches. My gut tells me Shane and Frost is the answer for a one pocket match that has a chance to make money though.

What do you think? You buy SVB vs Frost? Say race to 6 two out of three sets?
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I would love to see shane and scott going at it . Effren vs the winner in sept would be unbelievable.
 
Then you aren't watching someone play one pocket, you're watching a straight-pool exhibition.

If one pocket were to be a match, it would have to be 2 players (who aren't friends, already seen that match) playing actual one pocket. A spot either way could also make the game interesting.

Bill, if your goal is to see balls being run, then you can add some stipulation to every 3rd game every other game, etc. that it's a 5 no count, etc.

I watch one pocket for the moves, and the returns, like it was in the 60's and 70's

bstroud said:
One way to make one pocket more interesting for TAR would be to have the players play Run Out One Pocket.

Each player gets 10 breaks and tries to make as many balls in one pocket as they can each inning.

Par for the better players would be 100. That is a ten ball average for each inning. Very difficult but doable for the best players.

Each player would have alternate breaks so you would get to see both players play.

Not true one pocket but one foul is not true 9 ball.

Bill Stroud
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Shane and Alex vs. Gentile and Frost doubles one pocket alternate shots even within an inning.

I don't know how it could get better than that. You have contrasting styles on each team and it has the potential to have some incredible shots.

JCIN said:
In my experience with the all arounds and the one one pocket match we did....they just do not sell at the numbers needed to break even.

That said I'm not opposed to doing a one pocket match if its the right guys. By right guys I mean a match that would draw as much interest as possible. Efren obviously being the top draw. Problem is he's not here much. Maybe September at the earliest. I am going to try and set up an all around between him and Shane then that includes one pocket, 8 ball and 10 ball.

The one pocket match we could probably do fairly easy with regards to player availability and one that interests me is Scott Frost vs Shane or Scott vs Alex. If Alex plays there would have to be a shot clock just because I like the guy too much to wanna hate him for taking 5 minutes to decide to bunt a ball two inches. My gut tells me Shane and Frost is the answer for a one pocket match that has a chance to make money though.

What do you think? You buy SVB vs Frost? Say race to 6 two out of three sets?
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jay helfert said:
How about Shane vs. Dennis O. in a two out of three set One Pocket match? Each day they would play one set, a Race to Five. Anyone interested in seeing this?

P.S. They played three times last month in L.A. with Shane giving Dennis 9-8. Shane won the first and Dennis won the last two. My prediction is that Dennis will be the new "Efren."
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You keep saying that, but I don't think there will ever be another one of him, all around.
 
JCIN said:
In my experience with the all arounds and the one one pocket match we did....they just do not sell at the numbers needed to break even.

That said I'm not opposed to doing a one pocket match if its the right guys. By right guys I mean a match that would draw as much interest as possible. Efren obviously being the top draw. Problem is he's not here much. Maybe September at the earliest. I am going to try and set up an all around between him and Shane then that includes one pocket, 8 ball and 10 ball.

The one pocket match we could probably do fairly easy with regards to player availability and one that interests me is Scott Frost vs Shane or Scott vs Alex. If Alex plays there would have to be a shot clock just because I like the guy too much to wanna hate him for taking 5 minutes to decide to bunt a ball two inches. My gut tells me Shane and Frost is the answer for a one pocket match that has a chance to make money though.

What do you think? You buy SVB vs Frost? Say race to 6 two out of three sets?
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Shannon Daulton moves almost as fast as RA did yrs ago and knows the game as well as anyone.
 
elvicash said:
I think 1p could sell. I was watching some 1 pocket a few weeks back and my wife came home after work while it was going on she sat down and showed interest. It was Frost play Schmidt semi final match I think it was from Hardtimes. Well anyway the games took some time but shots were pretty quick not any 4 minutes spent agonizing over shot shot after shot. It was definitely more of a game/interest to her than just watching players run out rack after rack as with rotation pool.


<<<--- cant wait till TAR has their inaugural Bonus Ball match.
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You bring up a good point with your wife watching. Ball numbers, colors etc mean nothing, it appears so simple that even a non player viewing could understand the concept QUICKLY.
 
tommyceilings said:
Shane and Alex vs. Gentile and Frost doubles one pocket alternate shots even within an inning.

I don't know how it could get better than that. You have contrasting styles on each team and it has the potential to have some incredible shots.
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The partners thing comes up a lot but there is one giant hurdle to overcome: That being that expenses double but the revenue does not. Not saying its impossible or won't happen on TAR but a lot of things would have to fall right in order for it to work.
 
Banks said:
Out of curiosity, do you have an e-mail/notification list that includes pool halls? I think it would be great to have these streamed to a local hall. Perhaps a subscription for those kinds of clients? I inquired about having it set up at one here in Portland, but it was 'you have to talk to so-and-so'(who, of course, is never around when I am). Maybe if there were pre-made fliers for the events, they could just print them out and have their involvement be minimal. Just my two cents - you can put it in the piggy bank with all the other two cents you get. :thumbup: I figure if a hall could get people in to watch a match.. well, most players I know can only be around a table, watching a match, for so long before they have a need to knock some balls around.
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We don't have any kind of email notification system. One more thing on the list to do. We also have talked about some sort of package for commercial rooms where they would pay a little more but receive merchandise and promo items they could either keep or even sell to recoup some or all of the money. Maybe tie in some kind of ad for the room and promote on Facebook what rooms are involved where so people can choose to go watch at the rooms if they want.

Now that there is less time spent trying to hustle up matches I should be able to start actually selling what we produce.
 
I like one pocket more than most but if you want to see it on the internet it JUST has to move faster.

If you haven't tried running balls in one pocket, give it a try. It is very difficult, very demanding, very creative and a lot of fun.

It eliminates all safety play which is something that should be eliminated in 9-10 ball as well.

Pool should be a shooters' game. Safety play puts me to sleep.

Bill Stroud
 
JCIN said:
In my experience with the all arounds and the one one pocket match we did....they just do not sell at the numbers needed to break even.

That said I'm not opposed to doing a one pocket match if its the right guys. By right guys I mean a match that would draw as much interest as possible. Efren obviously being the top draw. Problem is he's not here much. Maybe September at the earliest. I am going to try and set up an all around between him and Shane then that includes one pocket, 8 ball and 10 ball.

The one pocket match we could probably do fairly easy with regards to player availability and one that interests me is Scott Frost vs Shane or Scott vs Alex. If Alex plays there would have to be a shot clock just because I like the guy too much to wanna hate him for taking 5 minutes to decide to bunt a ball two inches. My gut tells me Shane and Frost is the answer for a one pocket match that has a chance to make money though.

What do you think? You buy SVB vs Frost? Say race to 6 two out of three sets?
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I would buy that. I definitely want to see Efren play so have him play the winner of the one pocket.
 
JCIN said:
The partners thing comes up a lot but there is one giant hurdle to overcome: That being that expenses double but the revenue does not. Not saying its impossible or won't happen on TAR but a lot of things would have to fall right in order for it to work.
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Is Dippy Dave totally out of the pool world? I haven't paid much attention to him or poker in a long time, or poker players involvement with pool (and I know poker has taken a hit), but I know Daniel Negreanu was a shooter. There's probably a handful of others. And hell, you're in Vegas. Pair a poker player/high stakes gambler that has an interest in pool with a pro in a game that everyone has an opportunity to shoot in, and let them bet a ton. Reap the benefits of both pool and poker audiences.

I'd pay to watch most any good one pocket match, but a high stakes one pocket scotch doubles match with pool pros and lively, entertaining amateurs is great to watch. At Derby this year, Chris Gentile and Brian White played some like that with a couple rich friends, and it was damn interesting and informative -- because a lot of it is a pro explaining how to see the table and shoot like a pro.

Alex/Dippy and Shane/Negraneau scotch doubles one pocket would be a hell of an interesting match to watch, and I think would attract a big audience.
 
I've tried time and time again to get into 1 pocket and I just can't do it. It makes me sleepy. I always prefer any rotation game.
 
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