Question.

[ShootingArts]

a silly shot

If everyone had to explain how they're living today.....or die....
...tomorrow there would be a lot of funerals.

I think every player does things that MAYBE they can explain much later.....
....knowing it's gonna work is more important.
It took me a week once to figure out why I aimed thick at a certain shot at snooker.
But I had been making that shot for years.

When the cue ball and object ball are close together and the shot is a cross bank at a pretty acute angle I stand almost straight, jack the butt of the stick way up high and fire hard. This lets me see the shot and the cue ball skips into the object ball, the object ball hops pretty much all the way to the pocket, speed and air time negate any effects of induced spin. Been doing that shot that way for over thirty years. People ask me why when they see me do it, "cause it works!" Probably not the best way but one of those old faults I'm too fond of to give up!

I'm thinking that we can coax a little something out of John in this thread.

Hu

 

[Neil]

That's been my personal experience also.Sounds alot like some that I golf with Quit worrying about all them whys and practice some!! John B.

You have to understand that science doesn't compete with practice, it compliments it. It's not a one or the other thing. If I have to shoot a ball, and break out other balls, I'd rather know exactly how to get there, than just guess at it.

 

[John Brumback]

If Efren says to put the the chalk down on the table with your left hand when cutting to the left & with your right hand when cutting to the right, & he is being serious, I'm doing it.

Science only knows so much.:wink:

And...if I told Efren that it was not working for me...he'd probably tell me, 'well then do it the other way'.

Remember he only 'Got Lucky'.:wink:

Best 2 Y'a,
Rick

PS I've had 3 years of physics education.

I would like to tell Efren to put the damn chalk right side up when he is done with it. He gets the table filthy when he's playing.But other than that,he's tough to beat sometimes John B.

 

[itsfroze]

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[ENGLISH!]

I would like to tell Efren to put the damn chalk right side up when he is done with it. He gets the table filthy when he's playing.But other than that,he's tough to beat sometimes John B.

It's probably an old habit to try to keep the chalk from getting wet from the humidity.:wink:

 

[John Brumback]

Buddy Hall is a firm believer in the science end of it. He didn't know as much as is available today, but he sure used what he did know about it.

Yeah I asked him one time about this shot and he said oh you mean "tuck and roll". I never have figured that one out. But I didn't try to. John B.

 

[John Brumback]

When the cue ball and object ball are close together and the shot is a cross bank at a pretty acute angle I stand almost straight, jack the butt of the stick way up high and fire hard. This lets me see the shot and the cue ball skips into the object ball, the object ball hops pretty much all the way to the pocket, speed and air time negate any effects of induced spin. Been doing that shot that way for over thirty years. People ask me why when they see me do it, "cause it works!" Probably not the best way but one of those old faults I'm too fond of to give up!

I'm thinking that we can coax a little something out of John in this thread.

Hu

You can but your going to have to give me more info than that John B.
Did you ask about 2 railers? I think you did.I use outside english on most all 2 railers. Helps with them coming up short all the damn time.Ask away good buddy,I'm here to help.

 

[spartan]

Would you rather know all the science that is involved in a pool shot or would you just rather know how to play top speed pool? Yes or no would be fine. Thanks,John B.

No. Too old to understand the science LOL
Only need to know science if it is matter of life and death like operating parachute when my plane is freefalling into Sahara desert

 

[TheTalentASP]

I am the person that has to know the why behind everything, but in my experience, the why doesn't help you make the shot. It will help in the process of learning the shot, but there is no replacement for hitting more balls and repetition. The science has helped me to diagnose what I have done wrong, or am doing wrong, and fix the problem quicker.

 

[whammo57]

overthnkinging and dissecting pool will not get you anywhere............ get the basic mechanics down and then practice..........

Kim

 

[Rhino]

You have to understand that science doesn't compete with practice, it compliments it. It's not a one or the other thing. If I have to shoot a ball, and break out other balls, I'd rather know exactly how to get there, than just guess at it.

I agree with your statement but I assert
that getting to the table and hitting the balls
leads to scientific discovery and facilitates
the desire to learn. My stance is that
"on the job training" has got me further along
in pool than a "textbook/classroom education".
Again, jmo, your experience may vary...

 

[John Brumback]

Exactly makes me think of the movie Bull Durham Line. "Don't think meat it can only hurt the club"

My grandfather who had a great line. You don't have to be an expert as long as you know more than the other guy

I don't get the first one but I'm saving the second one John B.

 

[John Brumback]

You have to understand that science doesn't compete with practice, it compliments it. It's not a one or the other thing. If I have to shoot a ball, and break out other balls, I'd rather know exactly how to get there, than just guess at it.

Yeah but that could be holding you back from being the best there is:wink: John B.

 

[John Brumback]

It's probably an old habit to try to keep the chalk from getting wet from the humidity.:wink:

LOL,John B.

 

[whammo57]

overthnkinging and dissecting pool will not get you anywhere............ get the basic mechanics down and then practice..........

Kim

 

[Neil]

I agree with your statement but I assert
that getting to the table and hitting the balls
leads to scientific discovery and facilitates
the desire to learn. My stance is that
"on the job training" has got me further along
in pool than a "textbook/classroom education".
Again, jmo, your experience may vary...

Just textbook experience is next to worthless. Just table time will take far too long for almost everyone. A combination of the two is the fastest way to learn, and most productive. Nothing replaces table time. And the science will greatly reduce the table time needed.

Thousands have tons of table time, and never got past mid B level. Table time alone won't do it for almost everyone. A one or the other stance is the wrong question.And no one advocates that anyways. The correct question should be just table time, or science and table time?

 

[medallio]

I would welcome any pool advice you have to offer. No need to explain why it works as long as it works. I think most of us amateurs can weed out good advice from bad advice or when we are being sold something.

 

[tashworth19191]

I used to say "Think Long, Think Wrong". Now I say, Think as long as it takes to make the shot... I enjoy the analytical aspects of the game, but I use them to practice. When it comes time to play, I fall back on the practice, not thinking...

 

[John Brumback]

I am the person that has to know the why behind everything, but in my experience, the why doesn't help you make the shot. It will help in the process of learning the shot, but there is no replacement for hitting more balls and repetition. The science has helped me to diagnose what I have done wrong, or am doing wrong, and fix the problem quicker.

Good thinking,imo I would warn you to not to dwell on it for very long after you figure it out the first time. Good answer to my question,thanks. John B.

 

[duckie]

Would you rather know all the science that is involved in a pool shot or would you just rather know how to play top speed pool? Yes or no would be fine. Thanks,John B.

There is a difference in understanding a concept and the science behind that concept.

There are not that many concepts to understand in pool. How spin works, how the degree of cut angle controls the the transfer of energy from cb to OB, how banks work. Really that's it.

Everything is about execution and strategy.

In motorcyles, there is a style of forks called dampening rod. These are ok, but if you want real handling performance some upgrades ar needed.

One is a valve you add that controls the oil flow in the forks allowing for better handling.

I understand the concept of these and do use them. But I do not understand the science behind how and why these valves improve handling.

Same idea in pool. You need to understand the concepts required to play good pool, but not necessarily the science behind them.

Top pool playing comes from the science of proper pratice however.