Questionable/shady dealings here on az opinions wanted

Save your bull$h1^ Kevin..
Its crystal F'n clear what happened here..

why don't you enlighten me, snowmon, since it's "crystal F'n clear" for you what happened .

I was a first-hand party to it, pretty sure I know exactly what happened and the reasons but please, if you know something else, please share it. :rolleyes:.

best,
brian kc
 
For the record I'll say this one more time to be clear - I fvk'd up, plain and simple, by forgetting I had a previous commitment on this particular cue. I have close to 50 cues and I forgot about the situation I had with this one.

I was considering if any of my cues might be a good candidate for Ron. A couplke of other ones I thought of didn't work then I came across this cue that I mentioned to Ron and it worked, he liked it. And I completely forgot it was not available to sell or trade. It was that simple and, again, def my fault.

JV, as for your speculative comment that it may have been my being too cheap to take delivery because then I would have to pay for the return shipping, you couldn't be further from the real reason.

Sure, Ron had a right to be pissy over how things went but when he began insisting that we "had a deal" and "business is business" and that I could give my friend his contact info so my friend could deal with him on the cue, I sensed there may be some extra bullshit to deal with if I were to accept delivery and, frankly, I wasn't risking opening that can of worms. I absolutely thought it best that this package never comes into my possession. Nothing underhanded or devious, just common sense.

And, again, I discussed this whole thing at length with my local postmaster who assured me that the very day the package arrives it will be turned right around and I even followed up and made sure it did. There was no need for me to accept this package - no upside whatsoever, only potential for downside. I hope that makes sense.

One other thing that's been mentioned a few times that I'd like to clear up are the couple of references suggesting "playing the I'm not happy card" or "I'll just say I'm not happy",

When Ron insisted that I accept delivery of the package in the context of all the "we have a deal" and "business is business" mess, I was trying to impress upon him that my decision was made, that I must keep my word to my friend who was promised the cue first and so, therefore, we don't have a deal. And that in any deal whether a trade or an outright sale, both parties must be happy, right? Well, obviously we weren't going to be able to achieve happiness in this one. Nothing whatsoever was said by me suggesting that I'd just say 'I'm unhappy' with his cue as a means to get out of the deal. Nothing!

I stood up and admitted I made an error. It was an honest mistake, *every* bit of what happened is disclosed here and it's not very complicated. I'm sorry for how it went and apologized about a half-dozen times for my forgetfulness -

I was pm'ing, emailing, and calling Ron within hours of his shipping his cue to alert him to the problem.

I wasn't hiding, everything was out in the open, and I stayed on top of my PO with respect to his package getting turned around.

Was this egregious behavior or an oversight?

You guys can keep deciding. .

best,
brian kc
 
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For the record I'll say this one more time to be clear - I fvk'd up, plain and simple, by forgetting I had a previous commitment on this particular cue. I have close to 50 cues and I forgot about the situation I had with this one.

I was considering if any of my cues might be a good candidate for Ron. A couplke of other ones I thought of didn't work then I came across this cue that I mentioned to Ron and it worked, he liked it. And I completely forgot it was not available to sell or trade. It was that simple and, again, def my fault.

JV, as for your speculative comment that it may have been my being too cheap to take delivery because then I would have to pay for the return shipping, you couldn't be further from the real reason.

Sure, Ron had a right to be pissy over how things went but when he began insisting that we "had a deal" and "business is business" and that I could give my friend his contact info so my friend could deal with him on the cue, I sensed there may be some extra bullshit to deal with if I were to accept delivery and, frankly, I wasn't risking opening that can of worms. I absolutely thought it better that this package never come into my possession. Nothing underhanded or devious, just common sense.

And, again, I discussed this whole thing at length with my local postmaster who assured me that the very day the package arrives it will be turned right around and I even followed up and made sure it did. There was no need for me to accept this package - no upside whatsoever, only potential for downside. I hope that makes sense.

One other thing that's been mentioned a few times that I'd like to clear up are the couple of references suggesting "playing the I'm not happy card" or "I'll just say I'm not happy",

When Ron insisted that I accept delivery of the package in the context of all the "we have a deal" and "business is business" mess, I was trying to impress upon him that my decision was made, that I must keep my word to my friend who was promised the cue first and so, therefore, we don't have a deal. And that in any deal whether a trade or an outright sale, both parties must be happy, right? Well, obviously we weren't going to be able to achieve happiness in this one. Nothing whatsoever was said by me suggesting that I'd just say 'I'm unhappy' with his cue as a means to get out of the deal. Nothing!

I stood up and admitted I made an error. It was an honest mistake, *every* bit of what happened is disclosed here and it's not very complicated. I'm sorry for how it went and apologized about a half-dozen times for my forgetfulness -

I was pm'ing, emailing, and calling Ron within hours of his shipping his cue to alert him to the problem.

I wasn't hiding, everything was out in the open, and I stayed on top of my PO with respect to his package getting turned around.

Was this egregious behavior or an oversight?

You guys can keep deciding. .

best,
brian kc

KC

It is, in fact, an opportunity to judge, and as we know here on AZ, a chance to judge others and point our fingers is the new national sport.

Sooner or later, everyone comes in the cross-hairs.

Kevin
 
why don't you enlighten me, snowmon, since it's "crystal F'n clear" for you what happened .

I was a first-hand party to it, pretty sure I know exactly what happened and the reasons but please, if you know something else, please share it. :rolleyes:.

best,
brian kc


Enlighten you??

Yes I agree you need illumination.
The bulb is without a doubt out, and nobodies home..
I would suggest you start with your wiring..
 
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Both parties being "happy" has to do with the product arriving as described. This is a case of "seller's remorse" which is not the intent of the "happy" clause.
 
Enlighten you??

Yes I agree you need illumination.
The bulb is without a doubt out, and nobodies home..
I would suggest you start with your wiring..

that's cute; so what you are actually saying then is you really didn't have anything to add.

got it.

thanks,
brian kc
 
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I would not hesitate at all about buying anything from Brian. This was a little mix up and the problem is being fixed. If you have as many cues as Brian things are going to slip your mind sooner or later.
 
Was this egregious behavior or an oversight?

You guys can keep deciding. .

best,
brian kc

My decision is, if he took a Jensen in trade for a Scruggs, who knows what other whimsical past acquisitions you may have been able to unload on him? Maybe all your Meucci's and "unknown maker" cues on him too. A real missed opportunity, Brian. :wink:

Seriously though, thing to do is help the guy find his cue and get it back to him and make it right.
 
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Before the az police chime in i have an ob2 pro shaft with a new ultra skin tip for sale. Barely used. Price is $180 shipped

thats what i have for sale. Now onto the feature presentation.

Completed a trade deal for my scruggs hoppe cue on may 5, 2014. This particular az'er sent me an offer via email and i accepted.

In the deal i was to receive a cue + cash for the scruggs hoppe. Both parties were to ship their cues on monday may 5, 2014.

May 5, 2014 i ship my scruggs hoppe priority mail insured.

Later on in the day while im at work i receive a voice mail from the other party asking me to call him.

For those of you who dont know i am a corrections officer and cell phones in jails are frowned upon and illegal. Plus i work 60+ hrs a week.

Im able to call this gentleman where he explains to me that he forgot that he once promised the cue he was going to trade me to a friend of his if it ever became available. In this conversation he states that he is a "man of his word" and to think about the situation. Im assuming i have a choice in this matter. Silly me. In the next day or 2 i contact this person and basically say that since your a man of your word you should complete our deal as agreed upon. Now this person still has not received the cue yet from me but states this - technically we dont have a deal because both parties arent happy in the deal?

To rectify this situation i offered to do the following.
A) accept another cue in trade with cash able to swing each way to complete a deal.
B) sell the cue to your friend like you stated and give me the money to complete our deal.

I never even received a response about these possible solutions.

Hasnt received the cue yet but was prepared to play the im not happy with the deal card.

Now here is the reason i am ticked and posting this today. This person already informed me that he will be refusing delivery of this cue and that his post master has already been notified. As an act of good faith i was reimbursed my shipping fees and he has had his paypal funds refunded.

Through tracking online it states that my cue is still sitting in his hometown post office. I go to my post office today to see if they have a more up to date status on my package and was told the following.

Due to the fact that the package was refused the post office is no real hurry to return to the original sender and that it could take as long as 30 days to receive it back.

Are you f****** kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been an az'er for many years and have made some awesome friends here.

I have never had a deal go ass backwards like this one.

On top of that the person in question has a significant itrader rating.

I just want to hear some opinions here guys. Im not bitter that a deal was not completed. I can live without the cue or cash in question but now that my cue is tied up in post office limbo really does suck.

Can we have the tracking number today please? I have money riding on this.
 
bad deal

Here is the tracking # as requested

VI 540 250 190 US

cue was originally shipped on may 5, 2014

just out of curiosity id like to know what the bet was?

also as of today no cue. tracking info not updated so were going on 10 days now
 
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Here is the tracking # as requested

VI 540 250 190 US

cue was originally shipped on may 5, 2014

OH I hate this, TATE is right (first time ever) and it looks like that cue is sitting at Brian's local PO (or their hub missed a scan). I'd be calling the NAUGATUCK PO manager if it were mine.

TATE, I'm holding payment until the next scan, just to make sure the hub doesn't show up with an earlier time than 12:30 PM 5/14/14.

HATE THIS!!!!

Thanks

Kevin PS I missed your question about the bet. Tate bet me that the package was still at Brian's PO. I bet that the tracking would show it on its way to you. Tate won.
 
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Here is the tracking # as requested

VI 540 250 190 US

cue was originally shipped on may 5, 2014

just out of curiosity id like to know what the bet was?

also as of today no cue. tracking info not updated so were going on 10 days now

If your cue had left Brian's PO on the 9th it would have been scanned into the delivery hub by now. Hell, it would be delivered to you by now. You might want to call the NAUGATUCK PO.
 
bad deal

so kevin do you now agree that i got hosed in more ways than 1?

whether it was on purpose (which i dont think it was) or unintentional anyone in my position would be angry with the way things were handled.

as i was told my business/issues is now with the post office they have my cue
 
If your cue had left Brian's PO on the 9th it would have been scanned into the delivery hub by now. Hell, it would be delivered to you by now. You might want to call the NAUGATUCK PO.

This has been said many times lately, not just in the WFS section either. The tracking info on packages is not always updated when an item arrives to a hub, and sometimes not at all ever. He could receive the cue tomorrow and it still show as only being excepted or returned. I have had this happen a lot both sending and receiving in the last year. I sent a cue to a neighboring state and 5 days later it arrived and still showed as being "accepted at origin location", or something like that.
 
The time of the bet was 12:30 PM Pacific on 5/14/14

You owe me $10 you dick, but I forgive the debt because I truly love you in a brotherly way.

Can't Brian go down there and get it and ship it back to Ron?
 
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the post office is doing a real disservice.

Ron shipped the cue on Monday, May 5th.

It didn't arrive the approx. 100 miles to my local PO until Friday morning. I could have bicycled the package faster.

I did speak with the manager first thing this morning and he asked that I call back after 12 noon when Jenna, my previous contact would be there.

I did get her and she is looking into why, the ridiculous slowness.

She did say she was certain it left my po Fri morning - added the speculation that a temporary shut down at our main hub in Wallingford may be causing the slowness both ways.

The tracking info says it is not here at my po, but that it has been sent back.

best,
brian kc
 
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You owe me $10 you dick, but I forgive the debt because I truly love you in a brotherly way.

Can't Brian go down there and get it and ship it back to Ron?[/QUOTE]

I have been in touch with them regularly.

Jenna, my contact there, is certain that it has gone out back to Ron.

And they assured me that would be the case when I originally inquired - before it even arrived here at my local PO.

The track shows it did leave this PO on Fri, 5-9.

best,
brian kc
 
Here is the tracking # as requested

VI 540 250 190 US

cue was originally shipped on may 5, 2014

just out of curiosity id like to know what the bet was?

also as of today no cue. tracking info not updated so were going on 10 days now

The bet was that the post office in Brian's city had it sitting around as of today. Kevin was pretty sure it would be promptly returned, and I thought it might still be sitting in the post office back room.

He had the insider's edge because he uses the USPS a lot. I don't use USPS for important stuff.
 
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