quitting winner
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Gregg said:
That's right, and when Eddie didn't want to quit earlier when he had fats buried, he hung in there waiting for Fats to quit, and look what it got him. He got demolished.
That whole beating the man bullcrap is just ridiculous.
The money is the win. Watching someone on the sidelines wanting to kill themselves after a loss is also some nice icing on the cake, but if it doesn't happen and all i have is cash to show for my efforts, SO BE IT!
), "Gambling 101". Lesson 1, chapter 1, page one...thesis statement....... "A FOOL and his money....."
tough call
There is always another side. I have never been able to decide if it is more fun to hit another gear when the would be hustler that has been laying down finally gets ready to play after raising the bet awhile or more fun to quit him and watch him turn seven shades of red. Both are fun. More money to be made usually by keeping playing him but maybe even more fun to quit him and go spend his money that he gave you trying to suck you in.
Hustlers were my main form of entertainment for many years and I figured they deserved whatever they got. Of course there were times when the hustler actually did have more gear than I had that night when we both quit stalling but all I could do then was laugh at myself. I had been a willing "victim"!
Hu
ronhudson said:
There is always another side. I have never been able to decide if it is more fun to hit another gear when the would be hustler that has been laying down finally gets ready to play after raising the bet awhile or more fun to quit him and watch him turn seven shades of red. Both are fun. More money to be made usually by keeping playing him but maybe even more fun to quit him and go spend his money that he gave you trying to suck you in.
Hustlers were my main form of entertainment for many years and I figured they deserved whatever they got. Of course there were times when the hustler actually did have more gear than I had that night when we both quit stalling but all I could do then was laugh at myself. I had been a willing "victim"!
Hu
the relevance of quitting
I've never known of a game that did not end with someone quitting...therefore quitting may be seen as inevitable.
Unspoken terms are not relevant.
The rules are simple.
If you want a game...identify/create a difference of opinion.
Make a game to resolve the difference...post the money.
Play the agreed game to resolve the conflict...then settle up.
Repeat as necessary
These are all the rules.
Ignore these rules at your own risk.
Skip/add steps at you own risk.
Helpful tips:
When you win...act like you've been there before...be respectful.
In the unlikely event you were wrong...man-up...no whining.
Stick to the rules.
Just my opinion...you be the judge.
Hittman
I've never known of a game that did not end with someone quitting...therefore quitting may be seen as inevitable.
Unspoken terms are not relevant.
The rules are simple.
If you want a game...identify/create a difference of opinion.
Make a game to resolve the difference...post the money.
Play the agreed game to resolve the conflict...then settle up.
Repeat as necessary
These are all the rules.
Ignore these rules at your own risk.
Skip/add steps at you own risk.
Helpful tips:
When you win...act like you've been there before...be respectful.
In the unlikely event you were wrong...man-up...no whining.
Stick to the rules.
Just my opinion...you be the judge.
Hittman
uwate said:
These examples are obviously no good, but my question is, if you play a guy by the game all night, lets say until 3am, you're up and you quit and say "look, i'll come in tomorrow or whenever you want and continue" i dont really see this as quitting winner but id like to hear what others have to say.
if you'd like a different perspective, i'll share mine here: i personally don't see people as nit's or players with gamble, what i see is money, whoever makes the most money, overall, is doing the best. in my humble opinion, pool players get WAY too caught up in who's a nit and who has gamble and they supposedly respect the guy with gamble. i respect the guy with the money, and some people may call him a nit, many people may not like him (for obvious reasons), but he IS making the right moves. now, this doesn't mean i think you should quit winner of course, im just saying whoever is making the most is the smartest and best player no matter what he is doing, yet remember quitting winner will lose you future action so again all this has to come into play in ones decision making process.
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It's like this and ALL YOU PLAYERS KNOW IT - action is enjoyed by all who can get it. For the majority of amateur players who are decent players and don't play pool for a living it's about the action and not about making the rent.
So all of you KNOW that it's unspoken that when you match up with someone then there should be more than a few sets involved.
OF COURSE in the absence of terms or frozen money or Guido standing there then anyone can quit at any time. However the PLAYERS here KNOW what everyone is talking about when speaking of firing one barrel and quitting winner.
Now, call me a fish but when I get in action then everything in my pocket and sometimes half my bank account is there to be won. When someone quits winner after one or two sets or even just abrubtly without warning after several hours then that doesn't sit well with me. I should probably thank them for not taking more of my money but to me it just seems as if they did a snatch and grab with the money. If they say they are going to play one more set or one more hour and say that we'll get together another day then it's NO PROBLEM. I am mad at myself for not getting to the finish line first but I don't feel robbed.
Now, how I feel is up to me but I think each and every one of you knows exactly what I am talking about. Maybe that's the talk of a sucker and while I'd like to believe that I am even or slightly ahead in my lifetime of gambling on pool I know that it's probably that I am slightly behind.
So I would like to formally thank all the NITS who quit me ahead for not taking down nearly as much of my money as you could have. You saved me from losing more than I would have AND from further aggravation from playing you.
Now, I think that gambling at a higher level such as what Bartram and others do is more formal in that they do seem to arrange the games in advance and it's also probably understood that anyone can quit at any time. However I have to BELIEVE that quitting winner abrubtly is also frowned upon by those players and their backers as well.
I can't imagine the argument that might have ensued had anyone fired one set at Bartram and quit winner at the DCC but again I DON'T KNOW what would have happened as I don't run in those circles and never have.
I can honestly say that I have never ever seen any top notcher quit winner when matched up with another one, at least not that it has been apparent to me. And I have seen plenty of games in Vegas, Valley Forge, and at the DCC. As far as I can remember the games have always ended with the loser not electing to play anymore because he had no backing, or the winner wouldn't negotiate a game that the loser wanted.
I guess I have to believe that one-barrel players who quit winner are considered bad action all up and down the spectrum. Maybe I am wrong but that's the way I was brought up in the pool rooms in Oklahoma and Florida.
So all of you KNOW that it's unspoken that when you match up with someone then there should be more than a few sets involved.
OF COURSE in the absence of terms or frozen money or Guido standing there then anyone can quit at any time. However the PLAYERS here KNOW what everyone is talking about when speaking of firing one barrel and quitting winner.
Now, call me a fish but when I get in action then everything in my pocket and sometimes half my bank account is there to be won. When someone quits winner after one or two sets or even just abrubtly without warning after several hours then that doesn't sit well with me. I should probably thank them for not taking more of my money but to me it just seems as if they did a snatch and grab with the money. If they say they are going to play one more set or one more hour and say that we'll get together another day then it's NO PROBLEM. I am mad at myself for not getting to the finish line first but I don't feel robbed.
Now, how I feel is up to me but I think each and every one of you knows exactly what I am talking about. Maybe that's the talk of a sucker and while I'd like to believe that I am even or slightly ahead in my lifetime of gambling on pool I know that it's probably that I am slightly behind.
So I would like to formally thank all the NITS who quit me ahead for not taking down nearly as much of my money as you could have. You saved me from losing more than I would have AND from further aggravation from playing you.
Now, I think that gambling at a higher level such as what Bartram and others do is more formal in that they do seem to arrange the games in advance and it's also probably understood that anyone can quit at any time. However I have to BELIEVE that quitting winner abrubtly is also frowned upon by those players and their backers as well.
I can't imagine the argument that might have ensued had anyone fired one set at Bartram and quit winner at the DCC but again I DON'T KNOW what would have happened as I don't run in those circles and never have.
I can honestly say that I have never ever seen any top notcher quit winner when matched up with another one, at least not that it has been apparent to me. And I have seen plenty of games in Vegas, Valley Forge, and at the DCC. As far as I can remember the games have always ended with the loser not electing to play anymore because he had no backing, or the winner wouldn't negotiate a game that the loser wanted.
I guess I have to believe that one-barrel players who quit winner are considered bad action all up and down the spectrum. Maybe I am wrong but that's the way I was brought up in the pool rooms in Oklahoma and Florida.
i can tell your a nit.SUPERSTAR said:
send it to me.dogginda9 said:
I think at some point you have to be able to quit winner. I have seen the following scenario way too many times: Two players lock up, doesn't matter what the bet, the game is right, but one player has endless funds while the other is limited. The endless funds player never quits and continues to lose. And will continue to flip the coin until usually the other player gets tired and they end up even and quit after several hours.
So the question is: How are you supposed to make money if you are locked in that scenario without quitting winner. Hope that wasn't too confusing.
So the question is: How are you supposed to make money if you are locked in that scenario without quitting winner. Hope that wasn't too confusing.
In general playing by the game should be around a 10 game look or 5 sets is about standard unless the sets are ahead sets of 6 or more or races above 13 then 3 barrells is all they deserve. Realistically freezing out is the best so no one has hard feelings but sometimes it can be hard to get someone to post up. My favorite is when ppl want action with you cuz they know you have a bunch of money in your pocket meanwhile they got an old 50 bill and lint wanting to come up.
KDP said:
In this situation the proper decorum is to quit winner and make plans to play again. I will pay for a hotel room, hire a girl, and do just about anything to keep a paying customer coming back.
This thread was started with a story of quitting after being one set winner which is universally frowned upon from coast to coast in the USA according to my extensive experience. However the story also omitted the fact that one set only was part of the terms. Why a player who has the best of it wouldn't press his bet is another topic but in this case it seems as if he had his reasons.
Quitting winner in gambling terms refers to quitting while you are ahead and refusing to give the opponent a chance now or in the future a chance to win the money back. If a person does that to me then not only do I lose the chance to recoup my losses or even win some money from that person but they also lose the chance forever to win more money from me.
Yes, you are supposed to be the winner when you stop playing. In order to preserve your action for as long as you can you should learn how to do it so that the opponent (otherwise known as the customer) is eagerly waiting to play you again and is not knocking you all over town. A player wants to be known as good action not bad action. At least those who intend to continue to get action do.
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Obviously if i am gambling with someone, I plan on doing atleast 2 or 3 sets, depending on how its going. If I am getting blown out then i'll probably quit after 2 sets and call it good. If it's close and I am just screwing up I'll play some more sets.
If I am winning, then who cares I'll keep on going.
But If i am getting lucky and somehow beating someone playing even, or with a spot when i shouldnt be winning, I might quit after 2 or 3 sets and call it good.
And this is how i see it.... If you goto a Casino, and hit a jackpot within the first hour, IE like a couple thousand, or something big like 50k,,,
Would you stay there untill you spent it all????? cuz ya know you cant quit a winner!!!!! lol Or would you bolt with your money and call it good??????
If I am winning, then who cares I'll keep on going.
But If i am getting lucky and somehow beating someone playing even, or with a spot when i shouldnt be winning, I might quit after 2 or 3 sets and call it good.
And this is how i see it.... If you goto a Casino, and hit a jackpot within the first hour, IE like a couple thousand, or something big like 50k,,,
Would you stay there untill you spent it all????? cuz ya know you cant quit a winner!!!!! lol Or would you bolt with your money and call it good??????
quiting winner has always been considered bad form. and there is little reason to quit winner as being winner is a good indication you have the best of it.
that said sometimes you may win a set and see that you dont have the best of it. why should you have to lose it back. you won the money and want to keep it. tough break for the loser.
sometimes you play a while and feel you just dont have it that day. winner or loser you should quit. but make another time to play again.
dont do this to real live ones or you will lose them. against a player or hustler all is fair. if they dont play you again who cares, their action wasnt very good in the first place.
that said sometimes you may win a set and see that you dont have the best of it. why should you have to lose it back. you won the money and want to keep it. tough break for the loser.
sometimes you play a while and feel you just dont have it that day. winner or loser you should quit. but make another time to play again.
dont do this to real live ones or you will lose them. against a player or hustler all is fair. if they dont play you again who cares, their action wasnt very good in the first place.
I've never scene people mach up without setting the terms first. If its somebody you know then you might be alittle lax, but if not and you dont state those terms, then if they roll over you and want to go home thats there bis. pay up and shut up you made the game..
There should be a list of people that have done that in the past. Me presonally have never played one set whether up or down... and prior to a match i never agree to playing only one set or one game.
It does not matter how many times you've played the guy and lost or won... its all about getting into a game, grinding out your time in the box whether u win or lose. no one forced u into the game. especially to quit up???
Its called gambling. To see this sort of behavior at such a high level of play is just childish. I dont think there is one person in this forum who can say they played one sey and quit winner because they wanted to. if u have done that you shouldnt call urself a player and should be banned from any action.
if your the player getting the 8 ball and ur up... dont u think ud see if u can double up??? getting some1 to quit on u is like getting blue balled in middle school
It does not matter how many times you've played the guy and lost or won... its all about getting into a game, grinding out your time in the box whether u win or lose. no one forced u into the game. especially to quit up???
Its called gambling. To see this sort of behavior at such a high level of play is just childish. I dont think there is one person in this forum who can say they played one sey and quit winner because they wanted to. if u have done that you shouldnt call urself a player and should be banned from any action.
if your the player getting the 8 ball and ur up... dont u think ud see if u can double up??? getting some1 to quit on u is like getting blue balled in middle school
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just the other day i was at a place i dont normally go becuz i wanted to practice on their tight table. An old dude came up to me who i know plays real good one pocket and id been wanting to work on my onepocket game so i played him some real cheap 10 a game...well ne ways 6 games later after ive been torchered for about an hour and a half i ask him if he'll play some 9 ball and give me a chance to win it back since i had in fact been givin him money for some cheap lessons..well hes like oh i dont play 9 ball so i say wat do u think u need ..so i give him the 8 and i drill him 4 games and he quits on me 20 winner lol..his excuse was im not having FUN any more lol