-R- these rings pretty! Jerry Rauenzahn

Nick,

I did not demean anyone's work, so I don't believe you were referring to me when you made that comment. I have seen several of Jerry's cues and the work always looks top notch.

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Hay Jamie

Worminator said:
Nick,

I did not demean anyone's work, so I don't believe you were referring to me when you made that comment. I have seen several of Jerry's cues and the work always looks top notch.

Had something else typed up but it is not worth it...
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As usual truthful and considerate. Many posters could learn a thing or two from you.

Nick :)
 
Not to get off subject but

This is a thread about a Rauenzahn. He is a greatly appreciated builder. The cues he builds now are so much better than even three years ago. Mainly because he is self taught. And for the cash you can't find a better cue.
Why hasn't anyone jumped on Barry's statement that Jerry is the most under rated cue builder on the planet? Must not be any arguement there.
Could it be because as much as you know he knows more.
My comment about Timi's work is a fact. He pioneered many techniques and would give any cue maker advice if they just called. He was a force in the industry that helped so many people and didn't want any credit.
Ed Prewitt may taken the rings to another level by incorperating them in his work and possibly never saw any of the work Timi did.
But if he asked Timi or Mike would have told him how to do it. They were just that nice to everyone.
How any of you look down your noses at anything but your toes is a reflection on you as a person.
Nick :)
 
Bob Farr said:
Was that necessary? Beautiful cue in all respects. Thanks for showing it to us.
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Bob I was being serious. I don't see many pictures of his original designs, and I know he is a good enough cuemaker that there are some out there. I'd like to see them as well.

Not really meant as a slam, by all accounts Jerry is great to work with, builds very nice cues, and is a talent that is a bit under rated. I've shot with some of his cues, and liked them.

So do you have any pictures of original ring work designs to share? Would like to see them! I suspect he can do any design someone can come up with. His web site mostly have silver and stich ring cues from what I can find. I just like ring work, its why I looked at this thread to begin with.
 
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nick serdula said:
Why hasn't anyone jumped on Barry's statement that Jerry is the most under rated cue builder on the planet? Must not be any arguement there.
Could it be because as much as you know he knows more.
My comment about Timi's work is a fact. He pioneered many techniques and would give any cue maker advice if they just called. He was a force in the industry that helped so many people and didn't want any credit.
Ed Prewitt may taken the rings to another level by incorperating them in his work and possibly never saw any of the work Timi did.
But if he asked Timi or Mike would have told him how to do it. They were just that nice to everyone.
How any of you look down your noses at anything but your toes is a reflection on you as a person.
Nick :)
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No, it's because Barry doesn't say anything negative about other cuemakers, and he is very good that way. So what's there to jump on?

But we are waiting for pictures. If you are going to make claims because YOU know damn well the rings are Prewitts and YOUR defense of Jerry is that the rings were Tims, we want to see Tims rings. It's that simple.

BTW no one is looking down at -R-'s work, in fact I know Marcus likes Jerry alot. I can tell from his cues the work is very good, so no one is after Jerry.

JV (---this will be one of those times it would have been easier to just say.. Yes, it's a copy of a Prewitt... and let it go at that.

ps: If out of 875 cuemakers, 600 can't pull this design off. Then 600 cuemakers should chuck all their sh*t into the nearest lake.
 
You are wrong

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No, it's because Barry doesn't say anything negative about other cuemakers, and he is very good that way. So what's there to jump on?

But we are waiting for pictures. If you are going to make claims because YOU know damn well the rings are Prewitts and YOUR defense of Jerry is that the rings were Tims, we want to see Tims rings. It's that simple.

BTW no one is looking down at -R-'s work, in fact I know Marcus likes Jerry alot. I can tell from his cues the work is very good, so no one is after Jerry.

JV (---this will be one of those times it would have been easier to just say.. Yes, it's a copy of a Prewitt... and let it go at that.

ps: If out of 875 cuemakers, 600 can't pull this design off. Then 600 cuemakers should chuck all their sh*t into the nearest lake.
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And Jerry copied a Prewitt after askingEd. Timi did rings almost exactly like Ed'd decades ago. I don't make it a habit of copying pictures of cues I don't own or have owned if I did the cue that was on ebay was an example. Now you tell me you don't go to ebay and never saw the cue.
I won't believe that.
Attack the cue and attack me and look in the mirror and say look evolution! When it comes to cues where your mind ends mine beguins. I don't care how big your sight is or how many cues you own. Now play nice.
Not once have I said anything dispariging about bridge veneer cues that were not built by Timi or Mike. Timi invented the technique. You will never hear me say anything bad about a cue maker like that. There are alot of builders that do them especially Gina, Phillipi, Haley, and the list goes on. They copied Timi's cues by doing bridge veneer technique. I have never heard any of you say anything either.
You can't have it both ways. It is either allright for every builder to build whatever they wish or it isn't alright and you act out your nitty complaints on them too.
And I have not seen an eyebrow lifted over this either.
I think if you like the builder you B*tch. If you don't you don't. Don't care really.
But if you look back you will never find a post about me complaining about this. Imitation is flattery.
You peole except for Jamie are very incorrect on many facts. And etiquite is sincerely lacking.
I am tierd of seeing wanna be critics that are basicly working with a set of facts that are not complete.
The cue is sweet. And if Timi's accomplishments bother you buy a pasi and use it. You can say nay all you want. The world is not flat.
Did I forget? SSSSwweeeetttt cue Jerry.
I say good day to day, good day.
Nick :)
 
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nick serdula said:
And Jerry copied a Prewitt after askingEd. Timi did rings almost exactly like Ed'd decades ago. I don't make it a habit of copying pictures of cues I don't own or have owned if I did the cue that was on ebay was an example. Now you tell me you don't go to ebay and never saw the cue.
I won't believe that.
Attack the cue and attack me and look in the mirror and say look evolution! When it comes to cues where your mind ends mine beguins. I don't care how big your sight is or how many cues you own. Now play nice.
Not once have I said anything dispariging about bridge veneer cues that were not built by Timi or Mike. Timi invented the technique. You will never hear me say anything bad about a cue maker like that. There are alot of builders that do them especially Gina, Phillipi, Haley, and the list goes on. They copied Timi's cues by doing bridge veneer technique. I have never heard any of you say anything either.
You can't have it both ways. It is either allright for every builder to build whatever they wish or it isn't alright and you act out your nitty complaints on them too.
And I have not seen an eyebrow lifted over this either.
I think if you like the builder you B*tch. If you don't you don't. Don't care really.
But if you look back you will never find a post about me complaining about this. Imitation is flattery.
You peole except for Jamie are very incorrect on many facts. And etiquite is sincerely lacking.
I am tierd of seeing wanna be critics that are basicly working with a set of facts that are not complete.
The cue is sweet. And if Timi's accomplishments bother you buy a pasi and use it. You can say nay all you want. The world is not flat.
Did I forget? SSSSwweeeetttt cue Jerry.
I say good day to day, good day.
Nick :)
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I have to be totally honest with you. Early on in this thread, you made reference to Jerry being able to duplicate the work of any cuemaker out there. That and that alone is what I was taking issue with. By hyping a cuemaker as being able to copy others really well, you are doing a disservice to the cuemaker himself. Jerry's a great cuemaker but you are a HORRIBLE pitchman!

That being said, this cue is pretty much a clone of a Prewitt only with rounded inlays. Saying 'Timi invented this' is a lame defense when

A) you can't prove it;
B) you claim 'Timi' invented just about everything.

I won't address any of your other points because frankly, I'm not really sure what any of them are. Its hard to weed through the typos and the broken sentences without getting a headache.

B <-------- calls it like I sees it.
 
Hey Nick. This is way too much grief for you to be taking over a cue. Just send it to me and I will eliminate the headache.:grin: I myself have never seen a cue that Tim and Mike did with this type of ringwork. That isnt to say there isnt one out there. I just havent seen it. I am not getting into a debate and bringing my 2 favorites(Tim and Mike) into this conversation. Their names have no place to be here. Nice cue Nick. I dont care if it is a copy or not. Almost every cuemaker on the planet copies someone in some shape or form. How many copy veneered cues? How bout the first box cue? Whos' idea was that? How bout the ivory joint? In todays cuemaking world, there is noone that is 100% original and noninfluenced. Bottom line, Nice -R-. Take care and enjoy it. Oh and on another note, when you send me the Jerry, go ahead and put your new Cochran in with it. I would hate for it to bother you as well.
David
 
Here's a cue for those of you that wanted to see original construction from Mr. Jerry Rauenzahn. Reversed butterflies on the points and the old style Szamboti ivory/nickel-silver ringwork make this cue an eye popper when it's out to play. The craftsmanship is second to none. I have never seen another cue like this one. The dashed ringwork really sets off the colors of the veneers.

Keep up the great work Mr. Jerry!!! I appreciate what you can do!!!

Enjoy,

John Marshall





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nick serdula said:
And Jerry copied a Prewitt after askingEd. Timi did rings almost exactly like Ed'd decades ago. I don't make it a habit of copying pictures of cues I don't own or have owned if I did the cue that was on ebay was an example. Now you tell me you don't go to ebay and never saw the cue.
I won't believe that.
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NICK THERE ARE MANY OF US DON'T DON'T BEWLIEVE THAT TIM DID THESE RINGS DECADES AGO, NOT JUST JOE. I WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL "RESPECTED MEMBERS" AND NONE OF THEM AGREE WITH YOU. NO ONE HAS SEEN EVERY CUE EVER MADE. NOT EVEN A BALABUSHKA EXPERT LIKE YOURSELF, BUT MOST OF US FEEL THAT TIM DIDN'T DO THESE RINGS IN THE 70'S OR 80'S. TO BE HONEST, I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN A NEWER SCRUGGS WITH RINGS LIKE THESE.


nick serdula said:
Attack the cue and attack me and look in the mirror and say look evolution!
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WHAT? HAVE YOU BEEN DRINKING?

nick serdula said:
When it comes to cues where your mind ends mine beguins.
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AGAIN, WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?


nick serdula said:
I don't care how big your sight is or how many cues you own. Now play nice.
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I DON'T CARE HOW BIG ANYONE'S SITE IS, AND WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING POSTED HERE.



nick serdula said:
Not once have I said anything dispariging about bridge veneer cues that were not built by Timi or Mike. Timi invented the technique. You will never hear me say anything bad about a cue maker like that. There are alot of builders that do them especially Gina, Phillipi, Haley, and the list goes on. They copied Timi's cues by doing bridge veneer technique. I have never heard any of you say anything either.
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TIM HAS BUILT A LOT OF CUES, AND USED A LOT OF TECHNIQUES. NO ONE HERE HAS SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT TIM. IT'S FUNNY HOW QUICKLY YOU GET DEFENSIVE OVER THINGS THAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED.


nick serdula said:
You can't have it both ways. It is either allright for every builder to build whatever they wish or it isn't alright and you act out your nitty complaints on them too.
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HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY "NITTY COMPLAINTS" ABOUT THE CUE. HIS COMPLAINT WAS ABOUT YOUR CLAIM THAT TIM DID THE RINGS "DECADES AGO"


nick serdula said:
And I have not seen an eyebrow lifted over this either.
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WHAT?

nick serdula said:
I think if you like the builder you B*tch. If you don't you don't. Don't care really.
But if you look back you will never find a post about me complaining about this. Imitation is flattery.
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THIS STILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DISCUSSION. NO ONE *****ED ABOUT THE CUE.


nick serdula said:
You peole except for Jamie are very incorrect on many facts. And etiquite is sincerely lacking.
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WHAT IS INCORRECT? WITHOUT PICTURES, THERE IS NO WAY YOU ARE GOING TO CONVINCE ME THAT TIM DID THOSE RINGS IN THE 70'S.


nick serdula said:
I am tierd of seeing wanna be critics that are basicly working with a set of facts that are not complete.
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EVERYONES FACTS ARE INCOMPLETE, NO ONE HAS SEEN EVERY CUE. I HAVE A QUESTION ON A SIDE NOTE..... SINCE YOU CLAIMED TO BE A BUSHKA EXPERT IN THE OTHER THREAD WHERE YOU POSTED A VERL HORN, HOW MANY BUSHKAS HAVE YOU HAD, AND HOW MANY HAVE TAKEN APART? I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY YOU LOOKED AT TO BECOME AN EXPERT.


nick serdula said:
The cue is sweet. And if Timi's accomplishments bother you buy a pasi and use it. You can say nay all you want. The world is not flat.
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NO ONE SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT TIM, STOPPED BEING DEFENSIVE. THE REST OF THIS STATEMENT, MAKES NO SENSE. AGAIN.


nick serdula said:
Did I forget? SSSSwweeeetttt cue Jerry.
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IT IS A NICE CUE, I TOLD JERRY THAT WHEN WE SPOKE YESTERDAY.


nick serdula said:
I say good day to day, good day.
Nick :)
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WHAT? THIS MAKES MY BRAIN HURT.

I WISH THAT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE TOOK A SHOT AT JERRYS QUAILITY, NOR AT TIM...... THE DOUBT WAS REGARDING YOUR CLAIM THAT TIM "INVENTED" THOSE RINGS.

Marcus
 
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nick serdula said:
. "Incoherrent ramblings snipped.....
I say good day to day, good day.
Nick :)
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No one is taking shots at Jerry, or Tim. But there is NO WAY Tim did these rings decades ago. Maybe an 8 dot maybe even a 16 dot, but I am 100% positive they would NEVER be confused with Ed Prewitts rings.

Now you want to make it personal, we can do that. But it won't do anyone any good. But if you want to say it's a good copy of a Prewitt, then your definition of copy and mine aren't the same. That's ok.

BTW I just want clarification.. because when I list a Prewitt, and if the rings are Tim's, I'll give Tim the credit.. I'll list it with similar verbage to this..

Cue has Ed's standard rings which according to Nick Serdula were a Tim Scruggs design from 1876 and Tim even alledgedly invented MOP.

I mean I just want to be technically accurate when I post up cues on the website. I don't want to give someone credit for something that isn't theirs. I have no problem giving credit where credit is due.

JV (----wants the fossil record to be complete.
 
By the way, after speaking with Mr. Rauenzahn today several times, he's only building cues that are ordered. AND, because he has so many orders, he doesn't have time to make cues with original ideas.

However, I have one in progress that is going to be one of the nicest full spliced beauties out there. Here's a little teaser. Another 1/1 original design.

John Marshall


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jkmarshall_cues said:
Here's a cue for those of you that wanted to see original construction from Mr. Jerry Rauenzahn. Reversed butterflies on the points and the old style Szamboti ivory/nickel-silver ringwork make this cue an eye popper when it's out to play. The craftsmanship is second to none. I have never seen another cue like this one. The dashed ringwork really sets off the colors of the veneers.

Keep up the great work Mr. Jerry!!! I appreciate what you can do!!!

Enjoy,

John Marshall
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Now that cue I really like!!
 
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