Racist Cue Case

Blue Hog ridr said:
... However, it has the most significant meaning in that the Nazi party adopted it as their symbol....
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"Mainstream" might be a better word here. Unless others at the poolhall (and anywhere else) are aware of the swastika's alternate meaning(s), the consensus of the general public will likely perceive it as a Nazi symbol.

... Someone should email Delta thru EBay and ask them what the purpose was for using it as a design on this case. I also would like to know what it means to pair it with a Lotus flower...
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Easy enough to find them on eBay. Email away...

Cornerman said:
... That doesn't make things any easier or less offensive.

Freddie <~~~ thinks the marketing folks at Delta could have done a little more marketing research
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Mickey ----> thinks Freddie hit the nail on the head
 
That's not a Nazi swastika, which has one of the pointy edges pointing downwards. The Buddhist swastika has one of the flat edges pointing downwards.

It's not a "racist case". It's a Buddhist case. I doubt the maker of the case has anything to do with them low-life nazis. No need to make a big deal out of this.
 
While the problems posters have had with the case may be larggely ethnocentric, that case would still make more trouble than it would be worth.
 
brechbt said:
The swastika symbol actually dates back thousands of years and has been used in many cultures. The one pictured on this cue is not the same as the one adopted by the Nazis; the Nazis used a counter-clockwise version (in terms of apparent direction of motion), where the one pictured here is clockwise. Nonetheless, it's pretty bold of the case maker to use this at all; high probability of misinterpretation.

Here is the Wikipedia article on the swastika; very likely more than you will ever want to know.
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True, it was a symbol in Buddhism long before the Nazis used it, and they reversed it.
 
cuesblues said:
I have to check this out for myself.

The swastika may not be considered a "racist" symbol in some cultures, but it is in my culture.
If I saw someone walk into a pool room with that case he would either have to leave or remove the case, and I wouldn't hold back.
In that my father was injured in WWII during the Normandy invasion, and since I am an M.O.T, this is a problem for me.

The Delta Sports people are a bunch of ****ing moron's for posting that case, and I will NEVER buy anything from them at any price.
Delta Sports can take their ridiculous so-called 50% AZ discount and shove it sideways.
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Dude take a chill pill. I hate nazis as much as the next guy but its not for you to decide what somebody brings into a pool room. Like others have mentioned it probably isn't even racist.
 
What's the difference?

I see this other one all the time and it still bothers me.

I am glad that Germany tried to put that negative image behind them by changing their flag where it is still flown freely here.
 

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Masayoshi said:
Not necessarily racist. The swastika is a symbol used in Buddhism and other ancient religions. The Nazi's just bastardized it.
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This is a very true statement regarding the 'symbol' that has come to represent the nazi party. I have several friends that grew up in Burma and when they escaped the Myanmar regime and came to America one of them was wearing a cap with the swastika on it when he arrived. He was walking through the airport in Denver when he noticed that he was getting very mean looks from many people. He spoke no English and was quite surprised at how unfriendly the Americans seemed. He was met by his sponsor who immediately took the hat off his head and had an interpreter explain the situation to him. To this day he laughs about it, realizing how foolish it was, but in his culture it is totally different and yes he is buddhist. Great guy and now a citizen of America living happily in Oklahoma..
 
I wonder how many people would have the same reaction with a star and crescent Islamic symbol on a cue case?

If a buddist actually walked into a pool hall with this case and was told to leave on the threat of violence he would most definately not be the one in the wrong. That kind of bigotry and violence associated with it is what the Nazis were doing when they were using the symbol and now people think the right move is to mimmick the Nazi mindset? Guess what everyone, symbols are not the problem, human actions are. The swastica is not itself evil, a group of people who wore it partook in evil actions. If you now threaten physical violence over a symbol that could have strong positive cultural non-evil meaning to a person then guess what, you are alot closer to the mindset of Nazi Germany then that person is.
 
Neil said:
I would say it is for a Buddhist. The swastika meaning "good luck", and the lotus flower representing "purity".

The swastika shown in NOT the same as that used by the Germans. It may look similar, but is different, and has a totally different meaning than what many associate it with. Sorry, but to equate anything that looks similar to the Nazi swastika as the same meaning as what the Nazi's did, is just plain ignorant. You don't associate anything German with the Nazi's, why equate that symbol or any symbol similar to it to just the Nazi's??
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Being on a cue case, and with the lotus flower, my initial thought was that it was NOT a Nazi swastika. I didn't know exactly what the symbol on thte case stood for, but I was pretty certain that it wasn't a swastika.

But there's obviously some confusion as to what the symbol means for some, depending on which way the swastika "rotates". It's obvious that the sight of the symbol to some (regardless of it's direction) is a reminder of things that were perpetrated by the Nazi regime. Some people might get a lump in thier throat and tense up when the owner of that case started taking his cues out, others would view it as a nice compliment to the lotus flower on the same case.
This thread could turn into a long debate back and forth until the end of time regarding what could be associated with the Nazis, lotus flowers and the like. Which direction, what it means, etc.

In the end it's like Black-Balled said... the case would make more trouble than it would be worth.
 
Even though historically the symbol is A-OK, the only time you'd see it now is spray painted in the ghetto with "Jews go Home" under it or something. Even if the symbol is going the wrong direction, it's bit much. If someone can show that to 100 people anywhere and say what's the first thing that comes to your head, 99 will say "Nazis".

Don't think anyone will be putting planes over the NY skyline with the twin towers underneath on cue cases either in good form.

One of those "ruin it for everybody" things.

If someone came into a pool room with that case, they will be leaving shortly afterwords with extra bruises I'm sure.
 
Its the intent

20+ years in marketing and this is not about what it actually stands for its about perception. So eithier no one at this companny is smart or they understand thier intent.

Chi2dxa hit it on the head, most who look at that case will have a reaction that has nothing to do with ancient history, bad marketing idea, poor taste, I think they had to know.
 
I've seen cases made out of tiger skins, African Rhino and no end of other rare or endangered species, yet people rage against this?

Extraordinary.
 
TheNewSharkster said:
Dude take a chill pill. I hate nazis as much as the next guy but its not for you to decide what somebody brings into a pool room. Like others have mentioned it probably isn't even racist.
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Certainly someone's right to buy this piece of crap.
I wouldn't consider the case racist if a Buddhist monk brought it into a pool room in Japan, but for an American to buy that case
and flaunt it in a pool room here in America, it would be obvious what their intent was.
It wouldn't even bother me if someone had Hitler's original cue case with Nazi swastika's tooled all over it, at least that would be collectible.
This case is not collectible, not cool, probably not even a good case.
The only people I could imagine buying something like that, and taking it into a pool room in Denver, would be someone looking for trouble, or someone who is very insensitive to what our fathers fought for in WWII.
 
cuesblues said:
Certainly someone's right to buy this piece of crap.
I wouldn't consider the case racist if a Buddhist monk brought it into a pool room in Japan, but for an American to buy that case
and flaunt it in a pool room here in America, it would be obvious what their intent was.
It wouldn't even bother me if someone had Hitler's original cue case with Nazi swastika's tooled all over it, at least that would be collectible.
This case is not collectible, not cool, probably not even a good case.
The only people I could imagine buying something like that, and taking it into a pool room in Denver, would be someone looking for trouble, or someone who is very insensitive to what our fathers fought for in WWII.
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Well then stop being a bigot. You are as bad or worse than than some guy who uses that case.
 
Neil said:
Are you asking what the difference between your shown swastika and the one on the case is? If so, that is akin to asking what's the difference between an M and a W.
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Quite sure he was talking about the rebel flag.

Freddie <~~~ offended, but nobody asked me
 
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I dont get it.., THE Thaiger wants to know if African Rhino skins or endangered species are the same as people being killed??? The same as genocide???

The Celtic thinks that this is the same as an Islamic symbol??? WOW!!
 
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