Racist Cue Case

thats what i took from your post, there is a muslim somewhere complaining about crosses the american flag and so on , that is on some product in the world market......they probly are having a big discution about it too.........come on people, it has been proven that it is not a swastika, so that part of this thread is over, now if educated people want to talk about why they dont like the buddhist symbol that is different....but this symbol was around 1000 years ago, before the nazi symbol was even thought of......i find this thread has become a joke............



Kickin' Chicken said:
That's what you took from my post? :confused:

Amazing!

Best,
Brian kc
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Avathar said:
Well, I am German and thus maybe have a closer touch to the topic as I like...
I do not like the case, cuz it is ugly, I would not buy it, due to the stress it would cause for explaining myself...
I do very well know, that other cultures have other meanings (not only since Dan Brown)...

I shave my head, because it looks less silly than wearing only a ring of hair around my 2/3 bolded head, yet it is a sign of German Neonazi groups (as well as of a few Anti-neonazi groups)

So what does it make me?

This case is provokative and it might even be a problem to carry it at all here, since there are laws that prohibit to carry symbols that are easily mistaken to be signs of "Anti constitutional organisations"... you might end up having to proof that it is in your case not political...
I do not think that the case is a good idea, even if you want to make the point to show, that it is not a Nazi symbol, primarily, but was only used by this group...

It would be nice to change the world to a place, where i can travel to any place, without becoming a suspect already due to my heritage...
It is not such a world, so lets play safe and use more adequate measures to fix such misunderstandings...
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In other words, in Germany the swastika is illegal regardless if it's rotational direction.
I did a little "research", and as distasteful as it was, I read that in 1994 the German Strafgesetzbuch even added
the modified neo-nazi symbols to the criminal code.
I don't know how these laws are enforced, but it's clear that in Germany it would be illegal to carry this case.

It's a good thing this case wasn't available a few months ago.
Tasaddicts would of bought it, and raffled it off on AZ as an authentic Hitler signature case.

Peace
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jay helfert said:
Men remains a pretty barbaric creature! One look around at the events currently transpiring on planet Earth will attest
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Violence and war is something mankind has confronted throughout the ages and sadly, there is no end in sight. The lessons of the past must continually be learned again and again by new generations. Inevitably, they fail. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who fail to prepare are preparing to fail.

As an American society, we have seen the fall come fairly quickly. The growth of society and the power of the individual is coming too fast.

The insecurity of the world is real. Cyber crimes are rampant, robbing the economy of billions. The power shift has begun and the middle class is disappearing. We live on a fragile electrical power grid. Global warming is happening. Population growth has been staggering in the last couple of centuries. More countries are trying and will attain Nuclear weapons. Big brother is watching.

These are the best of times and the worst of times, but not the end of times.
 
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This thread is a perfect example of why you should never debate race, religion, or politics. Everybody has their own views and those views are usually so strong there is no changing anyones mind.
 
jay helfert said:
Not really Ravi. If one or more Nazi skinheads came into a poolroom I owned and got out of line in ANY way, they would find themselves confronted by a single Jewish Maccabee.
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As a Jew you are justified for what ever things u say about or actions you take against Neo nazi`s or Nazi`s or SS members . Most of the people of the world empathize with Jews for what happend to them. But demanding that SWASTIKA symbol should go away from the planet Earth will definitely meet resistance, opposition. Such demands will be considered as pure Bullying. It is the Hitler who did it to Jews but not the swastika. I have a swastika in my living room and it does not make me a Nazzi. It means that I am a Hindu.

On the side note: More than 30 years ago I ran into some active members of KKK. we were drinking some beer and discussing various stuff. I told them that they ( KKK ) have been using the swastika,one of the symbols of Hinduism, without paying the trademark fee. They told me to forget about it.

By the way Jews came to India in 150 AD and have been living there since then without any problems. U have a very tall synagogue on Pune near Bombay. That synagogue is taller than the ones in Brooklyn. India and Denmark may the only countries where jews were not persecuted. During yamkipoor war, in response to Golda Meyer`s call, many jews left India and went to israel to defend the wholy land. But the jews living in India living along with Hindus NEVER had problem with the display of Swastikas. They know that it was Hitler who did it to them but not the swastikas. Peace.
 
LucasBilliards said:
This thread is a perfect example of why you should never debate race, religion, or politics. Everybody has their own views and those views are usually so strong there is no changing anyones mind.
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This is exactly why we should debate these topics in my opinion.
 
cuesblues said:
In other words, in Germany the swastika is illegal regardless if it's rotational direction.
I did a little "research", and as distasteful as it was, I read that in 1994 the German Strafgesetzbuch even added
the modified neo-nazi symbols to the criminal code.
I don't know how these laws are enforced, but it's clear that in Germany it would be illegal to carry this case.

It's a good thing this case wasn't available a few months ago.
Tasaddicts would of bought it, and raffled it off on AZ as an authentic Hitler signature case.

Peace
Always looking for psychotic dictator related billiards items
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Yeah, it's fairly well known that Germany has a zero tolerance attitude about anti-semitism. Their government and judicial system have made an admirable effort to eliminate hate crimes, especially anything Nazi. Their measures, in my opinion, have really helped the healing process. I only wish countries like France would follow suit.
 
JB Cases said:
I guess I am retarded then. The Nazis are just a BLIP on the stage of history in a long line of genocidal extremists.

They don't get to BUY the swastika. The don't get to pervert it and then keep it. That's not how it works.

If that's how it works then John Wayne Gacy owns the clown as the symbol of the evil serial killer.

Why isn't the cross the symbol of the genocides perpetrated against non-Christians throughout history?

We could go through the long line of symbols to find evil deeds attached to them by those who try to steal, not buy, them for their symbols.

If someone were to adopt the cross as their symbol and then go kill five million people would you say that the cross is forever and ever the symbol of the criminals who did that or would it still be the symbol of hundreds of millions of Christians who profess to believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ? Does a little extremist group get to steal the symbol of Christianity like that?

Come on Dave, you can't really believe this. And you are wrong, the symbol has many meanings to many people IN AMERICA as well. The Navajo and many other indian groups used it extensively in their decorations on blankets, pottery and cave paintings.

To allow the Nazis and Neo Nazis to own it as their "brand" is to give them the power that they wanted. Hitler lives forever as long as you and others allow him to live forever by allocating this symbol to the Nazis.

Should we raise hell with anyone who uses a Red Dot as well? You do know that the red dot was the symbol of the Japanese army and what was painted on their kamikaze planes where the pilots made themselves into human guided bombs performing suicide attacks on American ships to insure that they caused the most damage and death. I can think of several companies who use a red dot as their logo. So should we go after them?

How about Volkswagen, that was the brand of car created by Hitler. He chose the name, he directed the design and build of the beetles. Is that not an enduring symbol of Nazi power?

We could do this all day. Yes, many Americans are ignorant of any other use for the swastika. But that is their problem. I dod agree that toting this case would get some stares, funny looks and probably some words. I can imagine the poor guy who has it......"no, no, this is the GOOD swastika, let me tell you about it...."

The thing that I find funny is that if a tough-looking skinhead walked into the pool room with a big ass Nazi swastika tattooed on his head I bet that most of the people in the poolroom's balls would shrivel up and no one would confront him. But as soon as someone thinks that perhaps maybe a mousy normal joe poolplayer would walk in with this case everyone is up in arms about how he is going to get some confrontation.

Kudos Delta Sport. Best viral campaign of the year. What a way to end 2011 by seeing what side of the tolerance line everyone stands on, in the main forum no less. And it's 50% off if anyone wants to buy it.
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OK....let's test your theory. Get a shirt made with a huge swastika on it and walk through NYC or Miami. Let's watch JB as he struggles to explain its meaning to a mob of 100 people who wanna kick his ass.

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Jude Rosenstock said:
Yeah, it's fairly well known that Germany has a zero tolerance attitude about anti-semitism. Their government and judicial system have made an admirable effort to eliminate hate crimes, especially anything Nazi. Their measures, in my opinion, have really helped the healing process. I only wish countries like France would follow suit.
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Well and still, when I travel, I came upon a fair amount of people who were suspicious about me, due to the fact that I am German... Most people quickly found out, that I would neither invade their country, nor kill them at once (at least not for their religion or heritage or such) and so we became friends quickly, but the mistrust is still very wide spread...
 
Speaking of Nazis, or at least those French who aided and abetted the Nazis ............

I watched the movie "Sarah's Key" last night. Highly recommended.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
OK....let's test your theory. Get a shirt made with a huge swastika on it and walk through NYC or Miami. Let's watch JB as he struggles to explain its meaning to a mob of 100 people who wanna kick his ass.
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The whole idea that the case is being marketed solely to the USA just because it is on Ebay.com is an odd one. The case is currently in Taiwan, the shipping is worldwide. Just incase anyone does not know, many of us in non-USA countries use Ebay.com to shop as almost all of the items ship worldwide. I use it in Canada and I also used it when I lived in Australia and I am sure many people use it in India, China, and other coutries where this case might have it's intended meaning and positive cultural significance. So I am not sure lambasting the case maker for making it, or marketing it globally on the most used auction website on the planet makes alot of sense either. I am sure the casemaker knew what he was doing when he made that case, I am not sure alot of people on this thread do.
 
Celtic said:
The whole idea that the case is being marketed solely to the USA just because it is on Ebay.com is an odd one. The case is currently in Taiwan, the shipping is worldwide. Just incase anyone does not know, many of us in non-USA countries use Ebay.com to shop as almost all of the items ship worldwide. I use it in Canada and I also used it when I lived in Australia and I am sure many people use it in India, China, and other coutries where this case might have it's intended meaning and positive cultural significance. So I am not sure lambasting the case maker for making it, or marketing it globally on the most used auction website on the planet makes alot of sense either. I am sure the casemaker knew what he was doing when he made that case, I am not sure alot of people on this thread do.
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Read back a few pages to where John Barton posted some pictures of that company's cases, one where they engraved their name upside down, one where they forgot the "T" in Sport.

I'm not so sure that these guys know what they're doing.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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vagabond said:
As a Jew you are justified for what ever things u say about or actions you take against Neo nazi`s or Nazi`s or SS members . Most of the people of the world empathize with Jews for what happend to them. But demanding that SWASTIKA symbol should go away from the planet Earth will definitely meet resistance, opposition. Such demands will be considered as pure Bullying. It is the Hitler who did it to Jews but not the swastika. I have a swastika in my living room and it does not make me a Nazzi. It means that I am a Hindu.

On the side note: More than 30 years ago I ran into some active members of KKK. we were drinking some beer and discussing various stuff. I told them that they ( KKK ) have been using the swastika,one of the symbols of Hinduism, without paying the trademark fee. They told me to forget about it.

By the way Jews came to India in 150 AD and have been living there since then without any problems. U have a very tall synagogue on Pune near Bombay. That synagogue is taller than the ones in Brooklyn. India and Denmark may the only countries where jews were not persecuted. During yamkipoor war, in response to Golda Meyer`s call, many jews left India and went to israel to defend the wholy land. But the jews living in India living along with Hindus NEVER had problem with the display of Swastikas. They know that it was Hitler who did it to them but not the swastikas. Peace.
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Thanks Ravi, you know I love you! By the way, the Philippines of all places embraced (and welcomed) the Jewish exodus in the 1940's. No wonder I like it there.
 
Avathar said:
Well and still, when I travel, I came upon a fair amount of people who were suspicious about me, due to the fact that I am German... Most people quickly found out, that I would neither invade their country, nor kill them at once (at least not for their religion or heritage or such) and so we became friends quickly, but the mistrust is still very wide spread...
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Fortunately, there is no longer any anti-semitism or prejudice against Jews! We are universally accepted wherever we go. Correct? :scratchhead:
By the way, if Israel didn't possess superior fire power there would be another genocide going on right now. When Iran gets the nuclear weapons they so covet, we may be in for a serious global crises.
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Read back a few pages to where John Barton posted some pictures of that company's cases, one where they engraved their name upside down, one where they forgot the "T" in Sport.

I'm not so sure that these guys know what they're doing.
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Because you thought I was talking about quality control, right? When I said I think the casemaker knew what he was doing I "did" mean by way of design, I was not commenting on them being masters of their trade. But you knew that... I hope.

Having crappy quality control and lacking the attention to details like that does not mean they must be racists who meant to build a Nazi inspired case. They are probably just people who suck in quality control, lack the attention to detail needed to avoid mistakes like that, and STILL meant to build a Buddhist inspired cue case meant for sale in the Asian market.
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Read back a few pages to where John Barton posted some pictures of that company's cases, one where they engraved their name upside down, one where they forgot the "T" in Sport.

I'm not so sure that these guys know what they're doing.

Best,
Brian kc
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Quite clearly their business strategy is to make crap pool equipment as cheaply as possible. Everything will be made in slave labour factories, using designs ripped off from elsewhere. I'd imagine a case they sell on their ebay site for $50 will cost $5 max to make.

They fulfill a niche, but that's it.
 
Both sides of this argument are valid, to me. While the Nazis may have stolen this symbol and it brings up bad memories or notions with most people, it is also justifiable to feel that a thousands of years old religious symbol should not be made unusable because an evil group used it for a few years... I don't know where I stand on this one.

Christianity stole the cross symbol and the story of Jesus from the ancient Egyptian religion (dating to at least 3000BC) and slaughtered millions throughout Europe and the Middle East during the crusades and destroyed the rebuilt Library of Alexandria in 391AD, burning 40,000 books and making Paganism illegal (the religion Christianity is nearly copied from)... Yet the cross is still accepted as an acceptable and even beautiful symbol. In a few hundred years, the swastika may also loose it's negative association; assuming high school history classes adopt some truth into curriculums... which is unlikely, based on all the other garbage we're taught.

This post is not intended to bash on any religions... just pulling out some facts relative to the discussion.
 
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jay helfert said:
Fortunately, there is no longer any anti-semitism or prejudice against Jews! We are universally accepted wherever we go. Correct? :scratchhead:
By the way, if Israel didn't possess superior fire power there would be another genocide going on right now. When Iran gets the nuclear weapons they so covet, we may be in for a serious global crises.
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Well, I had israelian coworkers, that were born in some russian state and had to flee from progrom... but nowadays, they still cannot visit their hometown without risking persecution...
They travel and do sightseeing freely and "openly" here... and it is good that way... but that doesn't mean, that there are no nazis left here...
 
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