Racking Controversy at the US Open 2016

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I just came across this on reddit - it's an interesting read....


The usual drama at the US Open 9-ball... (self.billiards)
submitted 9 hours ago by CreeDoroflFish Filet


You can usually count on Earl to have at least one meltdown in a major event, and he came through again. Earl was doing his usual commentary and Josh said he wished Earl would stop talking to him while he's shooting. Then he opted to take his timeout and walked off. Earl decided to unscrew his cue and forfeit. It was close too, like 9-7.
I don't think Earl will ever stage a comeback and get a sixth US Open title... the playing ability is there, the mental game is gone.

There were also several racking controversies, which happens at every us open for many years now, (maybe even before corey perfected the soft break and joe tucker explained it).

Jayson Shaw gave a demonstration to a few spectators between matches... with a tight rack, the wing ball will hit too high on a normal power break from the box. Remember that as of 2014, they rack with the 9-ball on the spot instead of the 1 on the spot... just like at the Mosconi cup.

You can break softer and cut the 1-ball, but then other balls tend to kiss the wing ball out of the way before it reaches the pocket. Most players have resorted to trying to break the 1 into the side, which is not that easy and of course means you have no idea what your next shot will be after the balls settle. Shane can do this really well.
Anyway... Shaw proceeded to show people how just a tiny little gap (really small, easily overlooked) above the wing ball, causes it to go flying directly into the corner pocket, which is what the rule changes were supposed to prevent. And the US Open is rack-your-own. So this is a recipe for arguments.

Ralf Souquet caught one of his opponents doing it, pointed it out, and his opponent stopped.

Niels Feijen was playing Dennis Orcollo and Dennis saw something he didn't like about Neils rack, and went to touch the rack and correct it. The ref asked him not to do that. This prompted Neils to check every single rack... after about 3 or 4 games, he spots a rack with a gap and points it out to Dennis, and D.O. flies into a rage, tossing his cue into the rack and then flinging balls around, causing everyone at nearby tables to stop playing. Surprisingly he was not disqualified, and he went on to win 11-9, and won his next match too.

A little side note... I found an interesting bit of commentary from the first year that they changed the rack position at the US Open. (http://thepoolscene.com/us-open/amid-complaints-racking-rules-changed-u-s-open)

Jayson Shaw pointed out that when you rack the 9 on the spot and are forced to break from a narrower break box, it causes the ball in the back to hit the back rail and then rebound straight up (whereas the traditional break from the side pushes it sideways a bit). When the ball rebounds straight up, it tends to run directly into the 9, which shouldn't move much with a truly perfect rack. Shaw mentioned that in the course of some practice sets, he was able to cause the 9 ball to get kissed into the upper pockets with a surprisingly high success rate... after playing several races to 11, he claims he averaged 4 or 5 nine-on-the-snaps per set, over the course of 6 sets.

So the new rack rules can be abused in ways they never dreamed of, and there's one more side effect to consider... you know the spot always gets dented down into the table over time, causing the 1 ball to separate unless you position the rack perfectly? Well with the 9 on the spot, that problem still exists and makes it tough to get a perfect rack.

So in some cases these controversial gaps players are *****ing about are probably unintended.


https://www.reddit.com/r/billiards/comments/58id5g/the_usual_drama_at_the_us_open_9ball/
 
Niels Feijen was playing Dennis Orcollo and Dennis saw something he didn't like about Neils rack, and went to touch the rack and correct it. The ref asked him not to do that. This prompted Neils to check every single rack... after about 3 or 4 games, he spots a rack with a gap and points it out to Dennis, and D.O. flies into a rage, tossing his cue into the rack and then flinging balls around, causing everyone at nearby tables to stop playing. Surprisingly he was not disqualified, and he went on to win 11-9, and won his next match too.

I really, really, really, REALLY hope this match ends up on Youtube.
 
The Reddit post sounds like someone just took various comments from AZB and consolidated them onto one post. I'm not sure there is anything new in there...
 
The Reddit post sounds like someone just took various comments from AZB and consolidated them onto one post. I'm not sure there is anything new in there...

I do like how everythings is consolidated (including the link to Erik H's article from 2 years ago regarding the 9 on the spot rule).

I didn't hear about that before - Shaw showing the audience the gap above the wingball with the 9 on spot...but what i did find interesting is that it's all tied in with the Orcollo meltdown against Niels. Kind of puts things in perspective.

He's writing as if he is there at the US open and maybe he's a member of AZ?
 
Well, I'm not exactly anti-Reddit, since I've looked a lot at a few of the pistol forums there this year. But I miss the days where everything cool online related to pool was on AZB, and now we are splitting that with Facebook. It was be a further drain to dice it into thirds with Reddit.
 
Well, I'm not exactly anti-Reddit, since I've looked a lot at a few of the pistol forums there this year. But I miss the days where everything cool online related to pool was on AZB, and now we are splitting that with Facebook. It was be a further drain to dice it into thirds with Reddit.

I hear you on this point.

Everytime Darren Appleton takes to facebook to give the latest on his side of the sport, and his interaction with those that follow him there, I shake my head. When he has come on here it has been a huge treat, but its few and far between.
 
Well, I'm not exactly anti-Reddit, since I've looked a lot at a few of the pistol forums there this year. But I miss the days where everything cool online related to pool was on AZB, and now we are splitting that with Facebook. It was be a further drain to dice it into thirds with Reddit.

I think those days are gone ... too many "wanna be Trump" here :D
 
I just came across this on reddit - it's an interesting read....


The usual drama at the US Open 9-ball... (self.billiards)
submitted 9 hours ago by CreeDoroflFish Filet


You can usually count on Earl to have at least one meltdown in a major event, and he came through again. Earl was doing his usual commentary and Josh said he wished Earl would stop talking to him while he's shooting. Then he opted to take his timeout and walked off. Earl decided to unscrew his cue and forfeit. It was close too, like 9-7.
I don't think Earl will ever stage a comeback and get a sixth US Open title... the playing ability is there, the mental game is gone.

There were also several racking controversies, which happens at every us open for many years now, (maybe even before corey perfected the soft break and joe tucker explained it).

Jayson Shaw gave a demonstration to a few spectators between matches... with a tight rack, the wing ball will hit too high on a normal power break from the box. Remember that as of 2014, they rack with the 9-ball on the spot instead of the 1 on the spot... just like at the Mosconi cup.

You can break softer and cut the 1-ball, but then other balls tend to kiss the wing ball out of the way before it reaches the pocket. Most players have resorted to trying to break the 1 into the side, which is not that easy and of course means you have no idea what your next shot will be after the balls settle. Shane can do this really well.
Anyway... Shaw proceeded to show people how just a tiny little gap (really small, easily overlooked) above the wing ball, causes it to go flying directly into the corner pocket, which is what the rule changes were supposed to prevent. And the US Open is rack-your-own. So this is a recipe for arguments.

Ralf Souquet caught one of his opponents doing it, pointed it out, and his opponent stopped.

Niels Feijen was playing Dennis Orcollo and Dennis saw something he didn't like about Neils rack, and went to touch the rack and correct it. The ref asked him not to do that. This prompted Neils to check every single rack... after about 3 or 4 games, he spots a rack with a gap and points it out to Dennis, and D.O. flies into a rage, tossing his cue into the rack and then flinging balls around, causing everyone at nearby tables to stop playing. Surprisingly he was not disqualified, and he went on to win 11-9, and won his next match too.

A little side note... I found an interesting bit of commentary from the first year that they changed the rack position at the US Open. (http://thepoolscene.com/us-open/amid-complaints-racking-rules-changed-u-s-open)

Jayson Shaw pointed out that when you rack the 9 on the spot and are forced to break from a narrower break box, it causes the ball in the back to hit the back rail and then rebound straight up (whereas the traditional break from the side pushes it sideways a bit). When the ball rebounds straight up, it tends to run directly into the 9, which shouldn't move much with a truly perfect rack. Shaw mentioned that in the course of some practice sets, he was able to cause the 9 ball to get kissed into the upper pockets with a surprisingly high success rate... after playing several races to 11, he claims he averaged 4 or 5 nine-on-the-snaps per set, over the course of 6 sets.

So the new rack rules can be abused in ways they never dreamed of, and there's one more side effect to consider... you know the spot always gets dented down into the table over time, causing the 1 ball to separate unless you position the rack perfectly? Well with the 9 on the spot, that problem still exists and makes it tough to get a perfect rack.

So in some cases these controversial gaps players are *****ing about are probably unintended.


https://www.reddit.com/r/billiards/comments/58id5g/the_usual_drama_at_the_us_open_9ball/

The Dennis, Neils story is off, this started during the second rack when Neils pointed out the rack to Dennis, Dennis then flipped out, started bickering then threw his cue into the rack.

Later Dennis went to check one of Neil's racks, Dennis went to fix it but the Ref stopped Dennis and told Dennis he was not allowed to touch that rack and that the Ref would fix it if Dennis did not like it. The match went smooth after that, if Dennis did not like Neil's rack Neil would calmly fix without issue and just went on to break after Dennis said it was fine.
 
D.O. flies into a rage, tossing his cue into the rack and then flinging balls around, causing everyone at nearby tables to stop playing.


Gee.........who would have thought Dennis Orcollo doing something like that?
What a surprise.
Unless people are up his butt crack having a lickin' he will complain and whine about everything under the sun.
 
Gee.........who would have thought Dennis Orcollo doing something like that?
What a surprise.
Unless people are up his butt crack having a lickin' he will complain and whine about everything under the sun.

not the first time seeing dennis causing a scene
 
I hear you on this point.

Everytime Darren Appleton takes to facebook to give the latest on his side of the sport, and his interaction with those that follow him there, I shake my head. When he has come on here it has been a huge treat, but its few and far between.

Every time a pro comes on here, the "pool experts and scientists" run him off.

At least, that's what I've observed.
 
Every time a pro comes on here, the "pool experts and scientists" run him off.

At least, that's what I've observed.

Yes they are quite tough on Darren here for some reason
If I remember correctly some guy who bet on Darren for some tourney gave Darren hell cos Darren missed the match and forfeited .
They treated promoters better than players here. Anyone who was cynical about John French were brushed off and told that French was good for pool . And we know what happened with French
:D
 
Yes they are quite tough on Darren here for some reason
If I remember correctly some guy who bet on Darren for some tourney gave Darren hell cos Darren missed the match and forfeited .
They treated promoters better than players here. Anyone who was cynical about John French were brushed off and told that French was good for pool . And we know what happened with French
:D

What ever did happen to John French? Is he still active in the pool world?
 
And then with a magic rack the 9-ball goes straight into the corner pocket for the win, yeah the 2 balls behind the 9-ball were frozen to it FOR SURE. Not taking anything away from the 5th US Open win that's amazing and 1-rack is definitely a defining thing, it just looked really odd.


Neil
 
And then with a magic rack the 9-ball goes straight into the corner pocket for the win, yeah the 2 balls behind the 9-ball were frozen to it FOR SURE. Not taking anything away from the 5th US Open win that's amazing and 1-rack is definitely a defining thing, it just looked really odd.





Neil



I agree with this, unusual. I've been using this rack for a few months & its defining characteristic along with other "magic racks" is the 9 very very seldom moves. Funny, not ha ha funny either.
 
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