Raking the balls - unsportsmanlike or not??
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After reading this thread yet again after a nights sleep, I think you are right and I failed to see we are all possibly looking at this in different ways. Either way the balls are raked, be it gently with care or brutally with force and anger, as long as I get the verbal option to accept the concession is all that matters to me. Should I wish to shot them out, at least I was given the respect to have that option. Thats the entire point of all my posts in this thread. I also agree with your point of the mental erosion of the opponent doing the raking, but there might* also possibly be some for the person who the concession was forced on without consent as well.
That's the problem, we're not all talking about the same thing. There's a lot of miscommunication going on.
I think you may be right on the money here. I think I owe you an apology for the endless back and forth in this thread. After re-reading all of it after a nights rest, I see I may have been a bit stubborn in my postings with you. For that I am sorry, nor was that my intentions during the process.
As mentioned earlier, I am terrible at the written word, it's simply a lack of education and writing skills. I meant no disrespect what soever. If you had any feelings I was trying to fuel a verbal showdown, please accept my apologies.
To the original poster:
I also feel I owe you a small apology as well for hijacking your thread, although it was on topic, I think I may have over stated my opinions on the matter a few to many times.
This is obviously a topic I'm fairly passionate about. I'm not completely against the concession itself, but merely when and how its done, and did I get the option to accept it or not. I feel if I have the need or desire to play out the game, I should be afforded that right and not have my choice forced upon me by another.
The verbal "It's good", or the physical gesture (thumbs up or the likes), gives me the option to decline. The raking of the balls, whether it be nice or rudely done, leaves me with no choice or recourse after the fact other than a verbal confrontation.
Regarding the opponent, I understand the displeasure of his misfortune to miss his run-out or leave a hanger, but why should I allow him to be rewarded by not sitting/standing by and watching me cruise to a game victory for which he created that possibility, regardless if its a dead shot or a 3-5 ball easy run-out. Why am I expected to ease his tension and inner turmoil, by allowing him to bypass that painful few moments it takes me to finish the game legally by the rules set forth of the governing body?
Man, this should have been my first and only post in this entire thread. It would have saved me a lot of typing, and made my point a lot quicker.
Dopc... Needs to learn to get to the point quickly
Hi Randy- haven't gone through the whole thread so you might have answered this already. But, WHY is it unsportsmanlike like conduct? I'm not getting that part. What is evil about someone conceding a game? In match play golfers concede putts, even in tournaments.
Bob
From a pro pool point of view I hate concessions and wish every time someone did it a midget in a fire mans outfit would come out from under the table and kick the dude who did it right in the balls.
You never concede. Its not classy or cool. Its weak.
Raking the balls is just a d!ck move and deserves two kicks from the midget.
If its two guys goofing off in a pool room who cares what they do. They are the ones who have to deal with each other. When people are watching its a different story.
You never concede. Its not classy or cool. Its weak.
Raking the balls is just a d!ck move and deserves two kicks from the midget.
If its two guys goofing off in a pool room who cares what they do. They are the ones who have to deal with each other. When people are watching its a different story.
This. Seems like the definitive post on the subject to me.
Hey, I feel like you're raking the balls on me! LOL!
No apologies necessary, the back and forth was respectful and I've no issues with anything you said or how you said it. No worries, it's all good. Gentlemanly discussion is missing all too often around here. :thumbup:
Bob, what you need to take into consideration is the context of Randy's post. Concessions are addressed in the BCAPL rules and are not allowed in BCAPL play - period. And the penalties are defined in the rules. So in this situation the reason it is unsportsmanlike conduct is because the rules say so. Now, whether you agree with the rule is a different matter. But there is no debate about it when it is covered by the rules.
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I got the part about why he got the unsportsmanlike, but I was interested in Randy's thoughts as why this was a rule. What is the logic. I see both sides of it....raking balls is a shark move intending to make the "winner" feel insecure that the "loser" has no respect for his game. On the other hand, if I am the winner, I think the opposite. This guy knows he is over matched and like all losers he is just trying to get this over with so he can start with the excuses. And, I would know since I have been on both sides :embarrassed2:
Bob
Gotcha, I misunderstood. I agree with you in that I don't particularly have any problems with concessions. I can understand though why they might have this rule from a league perspective (jmho). It simplifies things. It eliminates any disagreements or disputes that can arise about whether or not a player actually conceded-----> One player says, "You said that's good, so I started racking the next game!" and the other player says, "I was talking about my hamburger." Or a player denies he raked the balls off the table in unsportsmanlike anger, insisting he was just caressing them down to the foot end to rack them and a couple went flying overboard and through the drywall by accident.
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