rare high end Varney

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That is a sweet looking cue. The woods, design etc. I'm trying to understand why some are freaking out over the price. It's common for Sneaky Pete's to sell for $500-6-7-8. This cue is a custom cue so what's up with $ 1,000.00 complaints? If you are a potential buyer pm the cuemaker(seller) and discuss any negotiations as far as sale pricing.

It would be different if a seller posted a cue and was asking for opinions of value or what would be a good price range etc.

Only thing I would recommend if I were a cuemaker and posted a cue for sale, I would only give the spec's on the cue, the price and answer questions pertaining to construction. No debates. Everything else by pm.

I hope your cue sells and at a price you and the buyer feel comfortable with.

Some of you guys get way to tense. Most of us love cues and shooting pool, let's all try to be a little more civil towards one another. We're all in the Pool brotherhood.
 
mr varney,

I will buy your cue for your initial offering price of $1000.00

I will donate it to the Windy City Open, where it can be raffled off or whatever the promotors think would be nice. I would like the cue shipped directly to Eydie Romano.

Please PM your mailing address so I can send you out a check. I will alsoforward you eydie's info as well.

Happy holidays

rg
 
NYC cue dude said:
mr varney,

I will buy your cue for your initial offering price of $1000.00

I will donate it to the Windy City Open.......
rg
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Very gracious of you!!!!

Merry Christmas!

SDF
 
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NYC cue dude said:
mr varney,

I will buy your cue for your initial offering price of $1000.00

I will donate it to the Windy City Open, where it can be raffled off or whatever the promotors think would be nice. I would like the cue shipped directly to Eydie Romano.

Please PM your mailing address so I can send you out a check. I will alsoforward you eydie's info as well.

Happy holidays

rg
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God Bless.
Merry X'mas.
 
Michael Webb said:
I followed this whole thread but the point is
Kevin Varney constructed this cue. He has the right to ask whatever price his wishes for it, whether he is firm on it or whether he uses that price as a starting point. It's his choice. If it sells great, if it sells at a lesser price and he is comfortable with that price, then he's done well. The cue is off to the home of someone who appreciates what he has built. This is also great!
However, It really is bad form when the Price Patrol gets started especially if there is no interest in buying the cue. If there is an interest and you want to negotiate, that's a good time for pm's. Now it's between the interested parties and not on an open forum that is viewed all over the world. I commend Kevin on what he has accomplished not only as a Cue maker but more importantly as a member of this forum. I wish him the Best of Luck.
On a side note, I have seen some pretty well known Cue makers get slammed by the Price Patrol, so you shouldn't feel to bad.
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Mike I think you're off a bit the *PRICE PATROL* seems to be the huge group of people who are behind him saying what a value it is. I've read way more post saying that 1k was a great price and the cue was a *value*, well it seems the proof is in the end result and so far the price seems to be falling to a reasonable range for that cue. You can think your cues should all sell for 5k and up, but guess what if you want to sell any then you'll need to move the price down to meet the market or you'll end up with the worlds biggest collection of your own cues.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
but guess what if you want to sell any then you'll need to move the price down to meet the market or you'll end up with the worlds biggest collection of your own cues.

Jim
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i agree, but that's for the maker to decide jim.
not the nits in here telling this guy his cues are overpriced.



chris G
 
runscott said:
You are right - price shouldn't be debated in a 'for sale' thread. Why did it happen here and not in others? The answers are in the thread if you read carefully.
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Actually, I can remember a certain SW that was for sale that got it, and JP went through it when he posted the 'Phantom' cue. The guy with the pair of Searings got it a little bit. It's happened more often than you may think.

In this case it was a cuemaker on the defense. Now I know that Kevin put a lot of time and effort, and yes, heart, into this cue. He was very, very happy with the result. This is his livelihood (sp?). I have to admit, if it were me, I would be extremely hurt...remember, cuemakers have feelings too! They are not automatons...just turning out cue after cue.

We all have different personality types...and are bound to clash from time to time...it is the nature of our species. If I took some of the members here at first impression, which is very easy to do, I would have a very long 'Ignore' list! And, I would have cheated myself out of knowing who they REALLY are...which is often completely different than what we initially perceive. Where some may see bravado, I might see conviction. It's our diversity that keeps AZB alive!!

I am of the opinion that public discussion of pricing, no matter the seller (cuemaker, collector, or dealer) should not be done...that is best left to PM's.

We are extremely fortunate here on AZB to have many cuemaker members, as well as collectors and dealers. We get to see the kind of 'eye candy' many could only hope to see in their lifetimes...and perhaps, sometimes, we take that for granted. I would hate to think what we would miss out on if sellers began to not list their cues here anymore, for fear that they need to justify, publicly, their reason for asking what they're asking in price.

Steppin' off the soapbox now.

Lisa
 
ridewiththewind said:
I am of the opinion that public discussion of pricing, no matter the seller (cuemaker, collector, or dealer) should not be done...that is best left to PM's.

Lisa
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Lisa, I agree with almost everything you've said but have a question regarding the quoted sentence. How is a noob like me supposed to know what a fair price for a cue is unless the price is discussed?!
 
I think a cue's value is determined by how much the customers are willing to pay for it on the used market.

If I buy a cue, never use it, and try to sell it in a week or so, will I be able to get close to what I paid for? That is what I would consider a good indication of the value the market preceives.

I agree that a cue maker can ask for any price he wants, and this should be respected.

On the other hand, questioning the value of a cue is, in my opinion, not out of line.

If you have a booth in a show, you will hear lots of customers come to you and ask you, "why so much?" "what is the big deal?" and so on. I would consider these valid questiones and try my best to address them.

A lot of posters here also question the description, the background and history of the seller, and anything they feel like questioning. It is up to the seller to decide if he wants to respond or not. Unfortunately, once the seller responds, it may turn the thread into a debate and then even a flame war in some instances.

The Sales/wanted section is like a vendor in a show/tournament, you will see all kinds of people, asking all kind of questions. It is important to know how to address them without being confrontational.

I totally respect Mr. Varney's right to defend himself. I can totally understand how a cue maker might feel insulted if someone questions his price--considering how much time and hard work he has put into a cue. I think that pride is what motivates a great product. I have no problem with that.

Mr. Varney obviously believe in his work, and have showed a lot of confidence.

On the other hand, I also respect the posters' rights to ask why the price was higher than what they expected, and I think it is valid to discuss the preceived value vs asking price of a cue. Some very good points were also raised.

In my humble opinion, I think Mr. Varney could do much better making the sales by putting his cue in the potential customer's hand, rather than doing it on line.

His claim of value is mostly about the playability, so it is important that his "hit" be felt and then liked by his customers. Perhaps Mr. Varney could bring his cues to the Derby and I am sure we will be more than happy to try them out.

I think this cue looks clean and nice. I like the tone and choice of wood Mr. Varney has chosen. I wish there were more pictures showing the veneers. I personally would build a set of matching joint protectores and two shafts but that is just me.:)

I hope Mr. Varney could sell it for more than $1500 in his local area, and I also want to wish him and his family a great holiday season.

Richard
 
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zeeder said:
Lisa, I agree with almost everything you've said but have a question regarding the quoted sentence. How is a noob like me supposed to know what a fair price for a cue is unless the price is discussed?!
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Well, if I am interested in a particular cuemaker's cue being offered here, then I will usually seek out, via PM's, those members here that I know collect this maker's cues, or did. I have also been known to PM a dealer here and there to get a better understanding of the prospective cue's value, or if it is fairly priced.

Also....I will do a web search for this cuemaker's cues, to see what type of prices these cues have gone for recently, and even in the past. I think I have just about every single dealer's/collector's site bookmarked somewhere....make for a great resource. Not to mention what they may have sold for here in the past. There are lots of great resources, just got to do some digging. I never buy a cue without doing some homework first.

Lisa
 
zeeder said:
Lisa, I agree with almost everything you've said but have a question regarding the quoted sentence. How is a noob like me supposed to know what a fair price for a cue is unless the price is discussed?!
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Pricing discussion is not in violation of forum rules and is essential to the learning process. IMHO the MAIN issue in this thread was NOT the price of the cue. Many cues mave been offered with less credible pricing without controversy.
 
ridewiththewind said:
Well, if I am interested in a particular cuemaker's cue being offered here, then I will usually seek out, via PM's, those members here that I know collect this maker's cues, or did. I have also been known to PM a dealer here and there to get a better understanding of the prospective cue's value, or if it is fairly priced.

Also....I will do a web search for this cuemaker's cues, to see what type of prices these cues have gone for recently, and even in the past. I think I have just about every single dealer's/collector's site bookmarked somewhere....make for a great resource. Not to mention what they may have sold for here in the past. There are lots of great resources, just got to do some digging. I never buy a cue without doing some homework first.

Lisa
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That's certainly reasonable enough. I was just thinking that a complete noob wouldn't know who to contact with the exception of the web search and even then you can't be sure that the prices listed are what it actually sold for, unless it's eBay.
 
JimBo said:
Mike I think you're off a bit the *PRICE PATROL* seems to be the huge group of people who are behind him saying what a value it is. I've read way more post saying that 1k was a great price and the cue was a *value*, well it seems the proof is in the end result and so far the price seems to be falling to a reasonable range for that cue. You can think your cues should all sell for 5k and up, but guess what if you want to sell any then you'll need to move the price down to meet the market or you'll end up with the worlds biggest collection of your own cues.

Jim
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I'm not off at all, Just because some of you know some of the cue makers personally and get to hang out in their shop doesn't mean you can do what they do. If anything you should appreciate cues and their construction more. I don't direct anything I say towards any individuals because you know more than anyone how respectful I am. Gees, I even like you, not many can say that but I'm proud of it. But the main point is, It's still the cue makers choice what to set the initial price at. If the cue maker doesn't value his own work, WHAT GOOD IS HE!
There is a starting point, maybe a compromise point, then the choice,
To sell or not to sell. But it should all be done in a manner where it doesn't become personal. Did any of you wonder why a lot of cue makers may view this forum but they never participate and others have just left the forum all together.
 
ribdoner said:
Pricing discussion is not in violation of forum rules and is essential to the learning process. IMHO the MAIN issue in this thread was NOT the price of the cue. Many cues mave been offered with less credible pricing without controversy.
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I agree and I wasn't referring to this cue per say but the idea that price discussions should be done in PM.
 
This is hands down the most obnoxious thread I've ever seen. This is a wanted/for sale forum not an opinion forum or one of the other discussion boards on this site. You opinions in this thread should be kept to yourself this place is not for your opinion.

What kind of a low life A-Holes are you people to come in to someones thread and do what you people did. What a sick sad pathetic group of low life jerks. The mods here should have stop this from the beginning. This is a B/S/T forum not a discussion forum, this place isn't for your opinion. There are plenty of cue maker threads here to discuss values and resale prices. This is not the place for that. This is just like coming into a store and talking the customers out of buying the products offered.

Good thing this wasn't my thread. I can not believe the mods here allow this kind of discussion in this particular forum. Get a life jerk-offs and once and for all stop screwing with peoples sales and in this case livelihoods. Unbelievable what has transpired here. Sad and sickening.
 
nipponbilliards said:
I think a cue's value is determined by how much the customers are willing to pay for it on the used market.

If I buy a cue, never use it, and try to sell it in a week or so, will I be able to get close to what I paid for? That is what I would consider a good indication of the value the market preceives.

I agree that a cue maker can ask for any price he wants, and this should be respected.

On the other hand, questioning the value of a cue is, in my opinion, not out of line.

If you have a booth in a show, you will hear lots of customers come to you and ask you, "why so much?" "what is the big deal?" and so on. I would consider these valid questiones and try my best to address them.

A lot of posters here also question the description, the background and history of the seller, and anything they feel like questioning. It is up to the seller to decide if he wants to respond or not. Unfortunately, once the seller responds, it may turn the thread into a debate and then even a flame war in some instances.

The Sales/wanted section is like a vendor in a show/tournament, you will see all kinds of people, asking all kind of questions. It is important to know how to address them without being confrontational.

I totally respect Mr. Varney's right to defend himself. I can totally understand how a cue maker might feel insulted if someone questions his price--considering how much time and hard work he has put into a cue. I think that pride is what motivates a great product. I have no problem with that.

Mr. Varney obviously believe in his work, and have showed a lot of confidence.

On the other hand, I also respect the posters' rights to ask why the price was higher than what they expected, and I think it is valid to discuss the preceived value vs asking price of a cue. Some very good points were also raised.

In my humble opinion, I think Mr. Varney could do much better making the sales by putting his cue in the potential customer's hand, rather than doing it on line.

His claim of value is mostly about the playability, so it is important that his "hit" be felt and then liked by his customers. Perhaps Mr. Varney could bring his cues to the Derby and I am sure we will be more than happy to try them out.

I think this cue looks clean and nice. I like the tone and choice of wood Mr. Varney has chosen. I wish there were more pictures showing the veneers. I personally would build a set of matching joint protectores and two shafts but that is just me.:)

I hope Mr. Varney could sell it for more than $1500 in his local area, and I also want to wish him and his family a great holiday season.

Richard
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Bishop said:
What kind of a low life A-Holes are you people to come in to someones thread and do what you people did. What a sick sad pathetic group of low life jerks. The mods here should have stop this from the beginning. This is a B/S/T forum not a discussion forum, this place isn't for your opinion. There are plenty of cue maker threads here to discuss values and resale prices. This is not the place for that. This is just like coming into a store and talking the customers out of buying the products offered.
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This is precisely one of the reasons that JoeVan, and I agree with him, has been calling for a separate 'Cue Talk' section. The issues brought up here could have actually been addressed there, without direct impact on this FS thread. Such a section would allow for intelligent conversation on such topics, and should a lively debate take place there, it impacts no one listing cues here. It then remains a 'Wanted/For Sale' section of AZB.

Lisa
 
NYC cue dude said:
mr varney,

I will buy your cue for your initial offering price of $1000.00

I will donate it to the Windy City Open, where it can be raffled off or whatever the promotors think would be nice. I would like the cue shipped directly to Eydie Romano.

Please PM your mailing address so I can send you out a check. I will alsoforward you eydie's info as well.

Happy holidays

rg
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You, sir, are one classy individual. You have my admiration.
 
NYC cue dude said:
mr varney,

I will buy your cue for your initial offering price of $1000.00

I will donate it to the Windy City Open, where it can be raffled off or whatever the promotors think would be nice. I would like the cue shipped directly to Eydie Romano.

Please PM your mailing address so I can send you out a check. I will alsoforward you eydie's info as well.

Happy holidays

rg
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Wow!! What an awesome gesture for both Mr. Varney and the Windy City Open!!

You're a good guy in my book!

Jim
 
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