Real Pool Reality Show crowdfunding

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https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/real-pool/x/13015730#/

This is the link to the crowdfunding program for the Real Pool reality show. Please share it with as many people as possible. It will run for 15 days. 80% of the money donated will be put into the pot at the first game between The New Hustlers and the New York Team. You can get involved with helping a pool system get started that will bring most of the money to the players and not to the production company, etc. The more money we can get for each game, the better this system work. We will grow more teams and accept more participation by teams from other parts of the country.

Please comment and ask questions.

Thanks,
Jim
 
I didn't realize Finnegan and Earl were involved....together ...or that there were teams at all...much less " The New Hustlers " ....this should be your headlines.
If you ( up front) explain the team concept and members of those teams, you might draw more interest. Sometimes people need it spelled out for them.

Good luck with the project. Sounds interesting and fun.
 
I thought Finnegan was a multi billionaire --- just have him fund it.

I want to open a McDonalds franchise -- anyone want to crowdfund my business idea? Free Happy Meals for life to anyone that gives $50K.
 
I know you mean well and are trying, but these crowdfunding things IMO are a sign of failure. Any time I see a product/company/idea going to this method of raising money, I know it has no chance. This is a general statement, not only specific to your pool idea.

I think 4 or 5 years ago when these crowdfunding sites just got started, the general public might have liked the novelty of some of it. Now, I think even the general public are sick of people asking for money, and simply ignore it.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I know you mean well and are trying, but these crowdfunding things IMO are a sign of failure. Any time I see a product/company/idea going to this method of raising money, I know it has no chance. This is a general statement, not only specific to your pool idea.

I think 4 or 5 years ago when these crowdfunding sites just got started, the general public might have liked the novelty of some of it. Now, I think even the general public are sick of people asking for money, and simply ignore it.
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You may very well be right with a lot of what you say here. I see them as big indications of what we already know. Pool is full of Mom and Pop businesses that figure out a way to carve out a niche that works for them and funding is all but non existent. Everyone is trying to figure out how to make things work so there isn't a lot of sponsorship money going around. its easier to get local support than to get national support in many case and that wont be for much money.

A lot of people like myself would like to see pool more popular but that is something that has to be dealt with on the local level one pool room at a time with a successful business model.

Raising the general population consciousness is great but that happened during the COM time when there were still lots of rooms making it.

If you had the Color of Money out for the first time today. The effect would likely be minimal.

Support your local room and use your conscience when it comes to things like this.
 
Crowd funding and pool just dont go well together... I really dont think Pool related strangers are going to donate money to another pool related person in hopes they do the right thing with said money and that venture actually coming to fruition...

I mean, in the pool world, that scenario is almost laughable...
 
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watchez said:
I thought Finnegan was a multi billionaire --- just have him fund it.

I want to open a McDonalds franchise -- anyone want to crowdfund my business idea? Free Happy Meals for life to anyone that gives $50K.
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Is there a limit on how many happy meals I can get per trip? I can **** some nuggets up...
 
We are just trying to pre sell tickets for the video

iusedtoberich said:
I know you mean well and are trying, but these crowdfunding things IMO are a sign of failure. Any time I see a product/company/idea going to this method of raising money, I know it has no chance. This is a general statement, not only specific to your pool idea.

I think 4 or 5 years ago when these crowdfunding sites just got started, the general public might have liked the novelty of some of it. Now, I think even the general public are sick of people asking for money, and simply ignore it.
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We're just trying to pre sell tickets for the video. It has no chance if everyone thinks like you do. Everyone talks about supporting ideas to make pool better, but pisses on every idea that comes along. Crowdfunding isn't the engine for this project, it is just the way I tried to enhance the money that is played for.

If we get nothing, we will still have the money that the players are putting up for the game.

Jim
 
Isn't going to happen

336Robin said:
You may very well be right with a lot of what you say here. I see them as big indications of what we already know. Pool is full of Mom and Pop businesses that figure out a way to carve out a niche that works for them and funding is all but non existent. Everyone is trying to figure out how to make things work so there isn't a lot of sponsorship money going around. its easier to get local support than to get national support in many case and that wont be for much money.

A lot of people like myself would like to see pool more popular but that is something that has to be dealt with on the local level one pool room at a time with a successful business model.

Raising the general population consciousness is great but that happened during the COM time when there were still lots of rooms making it.

If you had the Color of Money out for the first time today. The effect would likely be minimal.

Support your local room and use your conscience when it comes to things like this.
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I totally disagree with you. The only way pool has a chance is for players to have a way to make good money. No one with any sense, at this time, would encourage a young person to make pool a profession. If players made more money than people who work at Walmart, then it would make sense.

If I can just sell enough videos of the reality show to get the prize money higher, it will get closer to something that can go somewhere.

Maybe everyone's eyes glazed over when they saw crowdfunding, but if you looked close, it is just an attempt to sell videos to help players. Nothing more. It doesn't depend on what we get whether we go ahead. I just want to get the most money that I can for the players.

Jim
 
jimM said:
I totally disagree with you. The only way pool has a chance is for players to have a way to make good money. No one with any sense, at this time, would encourage a young person to make pool a profession. If players made more money than people who work at Walmart, then it would make sense.

If I can just sell enough videos of the reality show to get the prize money higher, it will get closer to something that can go somewhere.

Maybe everyone's eyes glazed over when they saw crowdfunding, but if you looked close, it is just an attempt to sell videos to help players. Nothing more. It doesn't depend on what we get whether we go ahead. I just want to get the most money that I can for the players.

Jim
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My eyes immediately glaze over with any crowdfunding thing I ever see. It has a horrible stigma associated with it, no matter the product/company. IMO, you'd be better off ditching the crowd funding completely, and have a "donate to the prize fund if you liked our show" button on your website.

As far as money in pool = more beginning players starting, I'm not so sure about that. I know in my experience, I started in the early 90's, when pool was quite popular, and lots of pool halls were everywhere (compared to today anyway). I was a teen. When my mother found out, she was pissed, and didn't want me anywhere near a pool hall. Money had nothing to do with it. She thought they were full of crime and bad people, and didnt want her boy near that.

Sorry I don't mean to be so negative. I really liked your first show a few years ago and watched all the episodes. But that crowdfunding thing really gets under my skin. I don't know why I dislike it so much.

Edit, anyway, keep it up and see how it goes. I'm just one opinion. If you raise money that way, then good for you, and I'd be glad I was wrong in your case because its a pool show:)
 
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Icon of Sin said:
Crowd funding and pool just dont go well together... I really dont think Pool related strangers are going to donate money to another pool related person in hopes they do the right thing with said money and that venture actually coming to fruition...

I mean, in the pool world, that scenario is almost laughable...
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You're probably right. Pool is a crab barrel. No one wants to help anyone else because they think that they are the ones that should be out front winning the big money. :) Well, I'm talking about a reality show that will try to make pool more interesting to regular people and even other players.

The only difference with this is that its success can be everyone's success, because it is an approach that can be duplicated for a lot more players than play for one night twice a year.

The fact that only 5 or 6 American players make more that $50,000 a year should leave you open to new ideas, especially since it will only cost $10 to help it along. But, maybe that's too much to ask one player to do for another in this atmosphere.

Jim
 
jimM said:
You're probably right. Pool is a crab barrel. No one wants to help anyone else because they think that they are the ones that should be out front winning the big money. :) Well, I'm talking about a reality show that will try to make pool more interesting to regular people and even other players.

The only difference with this is that its success can be everyone's success, because it is an approach that can be duplicated for a lot more players than play for one night twice a year.

The fact that only 5 or 6 American players make more that $50,000 a year should leave you open to new ideas, especially since it will only cost $10 to help it along. But, maybe that's too much to ask one player to do for another in this atmosphere.

Jim
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A recent attempt to create a reality series also had a fund-raising mechanism, offering different levels of gifts based on the donation. If they did not reach their goal by a date certain, which I think was 40- or $50,000, then the people who donated monies would get their money back. That is what ended up happening. They raised somewhere around 3- to $4,000, if memory serves me right.

If you have not already done so, you may want to reach out to the Facebook pool viewership.
 
iusedtoberich said:
My eyes immediately glaze over with any crowdfunding thing I ever see. It has a horrible stigma associated with it, no matter the product/company. IMO, you'd be better off ditching the crowd funding completely, and have a "donate to the prize fund if you liked our show" button on your website.

As far as money in pool = more beginning players starting, I'm not so sure about that. I know in my experience, I started in the early 90's, when pool was quite popular, and lots of pool halls were everywhere (compared to today anyway). I was a teen. When my mother found out, she was pissed, and didn't want me anywhere near a pool hall. Money had nothing to do with it. She thought they were full of crime and bad people, and didnt want her boy near that.

Sorry I don't mean to be so negative. I really liked your first show a few years ago and watched all the episodes. But that crowdfunding thing really gets under my skin. I don't know why I dislike it so much.

Edit, anyway, keep it up and see how it goes. I'm just one opinion. If you raise money that way, then good for you, and I'd be glad I was wrong in your case because its a pool show:)
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Thanks for the answer. Think about what you said. Your mother had a reason. My father was a pro, and my mother didn't want me to play. I missed a lot of knowledge for that reason, but my mother was right. It was no different in the 60's than it was for you. But, as far as I'm concerned, it wasn't only the conditions, which arise from the lack of money, but it was a dead end job then as it is now. No one can tell me that if you could have made 1/2 million a year playing pool, that your parents wouldn't have pushed you toward it, or even the places would have been dives. It's all intermingled because of the lack of money that players make.

Also, I'm not looking for donations. I'm basically selling video streams. Donation is only a word that must be used in a crowdfunding platform. Probably for legal reasons. Please re look at the link.

Jim
 
We are

JAM said:
A recent attempt to create a reality series also had a fund-raising mechanism, offering different levels of gifts based on the donation. If they did not reach their goal by a date certain, which I think was 40- or $50,000, then the people who donated monies would get their money back. That is what ended up happening. They raised somewhere around 3- to $4,000, if memory serves me right.

If you have not already done so, you may want to reach out to the Facebook pool viewership.
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We're going everywhere we can. This show isn't dependent on money raised in this crowdfunding. There are different types of crowdfundings. Some you keep whatever you get and others are set up so you have to make the goal or you don't get anything.

This show is going on, no matter what. If we raise money in front for the video streams, 80% of it will go into the pot that the players play for in the first game.

I designed this idea so it can work with just the money that the players play for, which is their money, and a few video sales afterwards. I thought that adding a little money from pre-sales would make the game more interesting for the players and the viewers and add to the drama. But, from the way it looks so far, I can't expect much.

Jim
 
jimM said:
I totally disagree with you. The only way pool has a chance is for players to have a way to make good money. No one with any sense, at this time, would encourage a young person to make pool a profession. If players made more money than people who work at Walmart, then it would make sense.

If I can just sell enough videos of the reality show to get the prize money higher, it will get closer to something that can go somewhere.

Maybe everyone's eyes glazed over when they saw crowdfunding, but if you looked close, it is just an attempt to sell videos to help players. Nothing more. It doesn't depend on what we get whether we go ahead. I just want to get the most money that I can for the players.

Jim
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So the pool player you want to make money and have a legitimate profession off of your idea is William Finnegan, Ross Lacy and his girlfriend???? These are the 'pool players' you want to promote and do the best for? Please use a different line of argument if this is how you are going to sell your product. Cause to be blunt, you idea fails right there. Now if you got the best 12 players in the USA to play a legitimate game, you might convince someone. But not some guy in a bad shirt and a made up nickname for himself. This is what younger players should aspire to? A C player with a YouTube Channel.
 
jimM said:
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I designed this idea so it can work with just the money that the players play for, which is their money, and a few video sales afterwards. I thought that adding a little money from pre-sales would make the game more interesting for the players and the viewers and add to the drama. But, from the way it looks so far, I can't expect much.

Jim
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No offence , but if your idea is so great why don't you finance it yourself ?
 
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watchez said:
So the pool player you want to make money and have a legitimate profession off of your idea is William Finnegan, Ross Lacy and his girlfriend???? These are the 'pool players' you want to promote and do the best for? Please use a different line of argument if this is how you are going to sell your product. Cause to be blunt, you idea fails right there. Now if you got the best 12 players in the USA to play a legitimate game, you might convince someone. But not some guy in a bad shirt and a made up nickname for himself. This is what younger players should aspire to? A C player with a YouTube Channel.
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Sir,
You are the one of the most negative haters on this forum. Nothing is good enough for you. I don't know where you got Ross Lacey's girlfriend, but making things up to suit your argument doesn't work. It's any players that wants to participate will help this idea. If you're talking about Finnegan, he probably is known by more people in this country for being a pool player because of that show than people who know who Shane is.

So hate who you want, but I've never in the years on this forum ever heard anything from you but hate and ridicule. If you don't like what is happening, just don't participate. Don't poison everyone else.

Jim
 
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