Remembering Dorothy Wise Part 3 & Conclusion

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This will be the last segment of this article regarding my wonder memories of Dorothy Wise


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When big name players went on the road to perform in exhibitions, they always faced off against a top local player. When they came to Sequoia Billiards in Redwood City they played Dorothy Wise, and I saw Dorothy play exhibition matches at Sequoia Billiards against Joe Procita, Jimmy Caras and Willie Mosconi. For my friends and I seeing players of that caliber was just short of seeing God. We'd see the announcement and wouldn't sleep at night waiting for these events to happen. We were there waiting when these players walked in the door of Sequoia Billiards.
The big name players always won these matches, and it was always a great show. I remember Caras had a high run going when he hit 125 to win. Then, for the benefit of the crowd, he kept shooting to see how far he could go. Willie Mosconi was all business Caras was very personable. He demonstrated some fundamentals before going into his trick shot routine, and spent some time urging kids to enjoy the sport. I remember Caras executing a length of the table draw shot. We kids thought we'd never see anything like that again.
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JIMMY WISE

Dorothy's husband Jimmy had one of the best strokes I've ever seen. After Dorothy played her match with Joe Procita, Joe stepped to the billiard table and asked the crowd if they had any particular 3-cushion shots they'd like him to attempt. No one had any, until Jimmy came out from behind the counter and set up a complicated shot. Joe looked it over and said, "That's very tough, I don't think it can be made, but I'll try." He tried four times and failed. Jimmy asked, "Do you mind if I try it myself?" Joe graciously said, "Sure." Jimmy made the shot on the first attempt. He had an amazing stroke.

I enjoyed Jimmy's dry sense of humor. Once, Jimmy put a ball directly in front of a pocket and said to me, "I'll give you $15 if you can make this ball." I immediately took him up on it and knocked the ball in. He pulled the ball from the pocket and examined it. "You didn't make this ball," he said. "This ball was made in Chicago in 1941." (They were and old set of clay balls)

LAST MEETING

As kids of that age will do, after several years I found new interests, and I drifted away from pool for a while. The last time I saw Dorothy was in 1967 or '68. I had taken up archery and was practicing at an indoor range in Mountain View California, at a rec center that also had pool tables. Dorothy was there doing a promotion of some sort and, of course, greeted me kindly. Dorothy and her opinion of me must have meant a lot to me, because I remember that I felt like a traitor standing there with a bow in my hand.

Dorothy Wise was wonderful to me during the years I spent playing and learning the game at Sequoia Billiards. I'm very grateful to her and to Jimmy. To this day, deep down, I feel bad that I wasn't holding a cue the last time I saw her.

(Born in Spokane, Washington in 1914, Dorothy Wise was a seminal figure in women's tournament pool. In her early years, there were few national tournaments for women. As the winner of many state and local competitions, she became the self-proclaimed world champion. Then, beginning in 1967 when the Billiard Congress of America staged its first national women's tournament, Dorothy won five consecutive U.S. Open titles. She was inducted into the BCA Hall of Fame in 1981, and died at the age of 80)

Note: I hope you've enjoyed reading this as much as I have enjoyed recalling these wonderful menories
L.S.Dennis
 
Thank you so much for this wonderful story. Even as a kid living in Hawaii I would hear stories about Ms. Wise. I was dying to go to the championship in Lansing Michigan in the early sixties when she was playing a young upstart named Jean Balukas but couldnt afford it. Would have loved to see her play.
 
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Mr. Dennis

How well did you know Mrs. Wise? I ask Because she was my grand mother and I did not get to spend much time with her so I was surprised to run across your story on this forum. Not sure if you are still on here maybe you could P.M. me.
 
Nice story. I wish that members would not be set as guests so that their posts can be searched. I would like to read part 1 and 2 of this without some complicated searching.
 
Mr. Dennis

How well did you know Mrs. Wise? I ask Because she was my grand mother and I did not get to spend much time with her so I was surprised to run across your story on this forum. Not sure if you are still on here maybe you could P.M. me.

If you dont mind, I'd like to talk to you about your Grandmother and about Moon.
Please PM or contact me via our website www.chicagobilliardmuseum.org

Thanks,
Mr. Bond
 
dorthy wise

Mr. Dennis

How well did you know Mrs. Wise? I ask Because she was my grand mother and I did not get to spend much time with her so I was surprised to run across your story on this forum. Not sure if you are still on here maybe you could P.M. me.
I knew her well even though I was only 12 or thirteen at the time. I remember her and Jimmy always being king to me, but as the story indicates it was a lifetime ago.

Dem’ were the days
 
She was a very classy lady and the best women player until Jean Balukas came along. I had her do an exhibition at my poolroom in Bakersfield in 1973, and naturally I was her opponent in the exhibition match. I actually thought I could beat her and ran a 31 from the opening shot she kindly left me. That's when she got serious. She did not like to lose, unless she was playing a champion, which I certainly wasn't. She ran a forty+ and played me safe! I was stymied and failed with my safety attempt. Then she ran another 47 or 48 and only needed a few balls when she played me safe again :). I loved it, Dorothy Wise had taken me seriously and was kicking my ass. She ran the remaining few balls on her next turn and our little match was over (100-31). She put me in my place. She was the champ and I was just another guy who owned a poolroom.

Dorothy practiced regularly in her room against top players like Dee Hulse and Sax Del Porto, guys capable of running 100 balls.
 
She was a very classy lady and the best women player until Jean Balukas came along. I had her do an exhibition at my poolroom in Bakersfield in 1973, and naturally I was her opponent in the exhibition match. I actually thought I could beat her and ran a 31 from the opening shot she kindly left me. That's when she got serious. She did not like to lose, unless she was playing a champion, which I certainly wasn't. She ran a forty+ and played me safe! I was stymied and failed with my safety attempt. Then she ran another 47 or 48 and only needed a few balls when she played me safe again :). I loved it, Dorothy Wise had taken me seriously and was kicking my ass. She ran the remaining few balls on her next turn and our little match was over (100-31). She put me in my place. She was the champ and I was just another guy who owned a poolroom.

Dorothy practiced regularly in her room against top players like Dee Hulse and Sax Del Porto, guys capable of running 100 balls.
Too bad she couldn’t have played against Balukus in her prime, as Dorothy was 45 when Jean was born. Does anyone know how their tournament matchups went early in Jean’s career when Wise was still competing?
 
Too bad she couldn’t have played against Balukus in her prime, as Dorothy was 45 when Jean was born. Does anyone know how their tournament matchups went early in Jean’s career when Wise was still competing?


Dorothy remained the champ until she retired in her 50's, before Jean reached her peak. Jean had started playing in the pro tournaments at age eleven! By her late teens she was winning just about everything.
 
Dorothy remained the champ until she retired in her 50's, before Jean reached her peak. Jean had started playing in the pro tournaments at age eleven! By her late teens she was winning just about everything.
Are you sure? I thought that Jean Balukas beat Dorothy in the finals in 1972 to win her first World 14.1 title. Yes, Dorothy was well past her prime, but I don't think Dorothy retired as champion. That said, I wasn't there. The first Women's World 14.1 Championship I attended was, I believe, in 1976. No idea where to look it up. The women's game, especially prior to the formation of the WPBA in the mid-1970's, is not nearly as well documented as the men's game, and there aren't many around who'd have seen the 1972 event.
 
Are you sure? I thought that Jean Balukas beat Dorothy in the finals in 1972 to win her first World 14.1 title. Yes, Dorothy was well past her prime, but I don't think Dorothy retired as champion. That said, I wasn't there. The first Women's World 14.1 Championship I attended was, I believe, in 1976. No idea where to look it up. The women's game, especially prior to the formation of the WPBA in the mid-1970's, is not nearly as well documented as the men's game, and there aren't many around who'd have seen the 1972 event.
JB won SEVEN straight US Open 14.1's starting in '72 at the age of 13. WOW.
 
Are you sure? I thought that Jean Balukas beat Dorothy in the finals in 1972 to win her first World 14.1 title. Yes, Dorothy was well past her prime, but I don't think Dorothy retired as champion. That said, I wasn't there. The first Women's World 14.1 Championship I attended was, I believe, in 1976. No idea where to look it up. The women's game, especially prior to the formation of the WPBA in the mid-1970's, is not nearly as well documented as the men's game, and there aren't many around who'd have seen the 1972 event.


You may be right about that. I first saw Jeannie play at the Straight Pool event put on by Fred Whalen in 1970 or 71. She was only eleven and her cue was taller than she was. She could already run a rack of balls though. I wouldn't be surprised if she beat Dorothy by age thirteen. That may have prompted her to retire also.
 
You may be right about that. I first saw Jeannie play at the Straight Pool event put on by Fred Whalen in 1970 or 71. She was only eleven and her cue was taller than she was. She could already run a rack of balls though. I wouldn't be surprised if she beat Dorothy by age thirteen. That may have prompted her to retire also.
LOL, Jay. Anything in championship pool that goes back so far that neither you nor I can remember it must have happened a long, long time ago.
 
Are you sure? I thought that Jean Balukas beat Dorothy in the finals in 1972 to win her first World 14.1 title. Yes, Dorothy was well past her prime, but I don't think Dorothy retired as champion. That said, I wasn't there. The first Women's World 14.1 Championship I attended was, I believe, in 1976. No idea where to look it up. The women's game, especially prior to the formation of the WPBA in the mid-1970's, is not nearly as well documented as the men's game, and there aren't many around who'd have seen the 1972 event.
It should be listed in the older BCA Rules books. According to my books:

1974 was Jean's first 14.1 World Championship, beating Gloria Walker
1972 was Jean's first US Open 14.1, beating Madelyn Whitlow (Dorothy Wise was the champion in '71)

According to Wikipedia, referencing Jean Balukas's book Jean Balukas - Billiard Champion, it is reported that Dorothy lost to Jean in a tournament in 1972. It's unclear what tournament it really was.
 
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It should be listed in the older BCA Rules books. According to my books:

1974 was Jean's first 14.1 World Championship, beating Gloria Walker
1972 was Jean's first US Open 14.1, beating Madelyn Whitlow (Dorothy Wise was the champion in '71)

According to Wikipedia, referencing Jean Balukas's book Jean Balukas - Billiard Champion, it is reported that Dorothy lost to Jean in a tournament in 1972. It's unclear what tournament it really was.
Thanks, Freddie.

According to Wikipedia's writeup of Jean Balukas:

On August 18, 1972 at 13 years of age Balukas won the women's division of the US Straight Pool Championship, along the way defeating five-time champion Dorothy Wise and taking home a prize of $1,500. Balukas was the U.S Open's youngest winner ever and by a large margin. She roundly defeated her opponent in the finals, Madline Whitlow of Detroit, Michigan ....

This confirms that Jean did beat Dorothy Wise, but it was not in the finals. Also, as you correctly note, it was in the US Open, not the World Championship.
 
dorthy wise

Mr. Dennis

How well did you know Mrs. Wise? I ask Because she was my grand mother and I did not get to spend much time with her so I was surprised to run across your story on this forum. Not sure if you are still on here maybe you could P.M. me.
Dave if you’re still on this forum I’d be glad to answer any questions about Dorothy that I can.
 
She was a very classy lady and the best women player until Jean Balukas came along. I had her do an exhibition at my poolroom in Bakersfield in 1973, and naturally I was her opponent in the exhibition match. I actually thought I could beat her and ran a 31 from the opening shot she kindly left me. That's when she got serious. She did not like to lose, unless she was playing a champion, which I certainly wasn't. She ran a forty+ and played me safe! I was stymied and failed with my safety attempt. Then she ran another 47 or 48 and only needed a few balls when she played me safe again :). I loved it, Dorothy Wise had taken me seriously and was kicking my ass. She ran the remaining few balls on her next turn and our little match was over (100-31). She put me in my place. She was the champ and I was just another guy who owned a poolroom.

Dorothy practiced regularly in her room against top players like Dee Hulse and Sax Del Porto, guys capable of running 100 balls.
Jay, I remember Dee Hulse when he used to work as a Rambler dealership in Redwood City. He used to come in to Dorothy’s Sequoia Billiards at lunch time and play with one of his friends named Hank who also worked at the sales lot.

I also remember Sax very well, he was a really good player in his day.

Lots of water under the bridge since those days for sure.
 
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