Remove Finish from Cue?

Using a razor blade while the lathe is spinning is an interesting concept.
I wonder what it feels like to have a blade driven thru your thumb.
Maybe I'll try it in the morning.
Maybe I'll post some pictures later.
 
Is there anywhere that shows how?

If you really need step by step instruction ...
for $5000 I will visit your shop and show you how.

Or you can take one of the butts you have and practice with a blade for free.

Most cue makers learn to do it by trial and error.

Hint ... put the butt in the lathe to hold it and then start scraping.
 
Im not sure exactly who some people are referring to but I try everything for myself. I have Hightowers Book and all his DVD's (Hightower uses a different method of stripping the finish with a razor blade than Joey does which is exactly my point of asking this apparently stupid question I asked about removing finishes), I also had Barringers DVD's, and Dieckmans VHS tapes. Ive sanded down butts, Ive run a router down them, Ive even used paint stripper and Ive tried other methods that definitely didnt end well. I ask questions because on top of all the methods I have done others have their own methods, some might work better, others might not. Everyone is free to share there opinions, this is a forum. If they dont want to, so be it. I've had many help me out and I appreciate it very much. People have flooded me with ideas and methods, I try them all. Either way I have to learn it for myself, but different opinions are nice to hear. I will figure it out, and if it works for me, it does, if it doesnt Ill try something else. Some people in this forum are comical (keeps me amused), some helpful, others say alot but dont really say anything at all and others treat you like a close friend. This is a site full of experience and knowledge. I ask my questions because I love working with cues. It separates me from the world. If you have nothing useful to say, why say it at all?

Richard

Richard,
funny thing some of the poeple on here that say these things arent much of a cue maker to start with in the first place all the videos and dvds you mentioned are great your going about things in the right direction what area are you from? maybe a visit to a locals shop there many that dont mind doing this but read study ask questions watch videos on u tube everything will help be care careful using razor blade to take finish off it most certinally is done and works well try it first on an old cue good luck
lee
 
Grimm,
If you have Hightower's finishing DVD, he shows a good method to do this. The tool he uses can be found at Home Depot or Lowe's.

I suggest that when you are posing questions, add in there what you have tried already and that you're wondering if there is a better, quicker, easier way of doing things. At least then everyone will know that you have already tried, and what methods you have used.

Good luck.
 
Richard,
All the guys here are really trying to help you! Yes, we kid and test a new guy to see if he's a dummy , but Joey helps everyone, Tony too, and a host of others. Don't get discouraged. You'll get good and useful info here and maybe a couple of laughs in the bargain. Of course there will always be a person that wants to make you look foolish. Don't be thin skinned and just ignore it or you'll end up in a forum War....nobody is here for that.
Good Luck, and try the razor blade on one and sand paper on another and see how you make out. Let me know, I"m interested.
JerseyBill

Trust me, I know. Ive been helped in some way or another by many people on this forum. Usually I just ignore the idiots but last night I was sitting, waiting to play the finals in a 9 ball tournament and read the replies to my post and became a little frustrated, so I just let go and vented a little bit. As for being a dummy, I believe I am right now to the cue building world but that will all change in time and one day I will be able to share my knowledge as many have with me. As for me actually being a dummy, I have a aeronautical degree, Ive been a helicopter mechanic for the past 14 years, so I think I have a few brain cells to work with, LOL! With that said, I think Im pretty mechanically inclined, so if I have an idea to start with, I usually can figure it out. Ill let you know how the razor blade works out tonight.

Richard
 
TAPE one half of the blade . Hold on to that tape .
Do not gouge with the blade . Imagine you are just scratching the finish.
I hate those dipped UV finish on house cues.

Again thanks Joey. I think I have a pretty good idea what you mean. Some of the finishes are pretty thin and other are pretty thick. These are probably mid 80's house cues, how long have they been doing the UV finish cue?

Richard
 
Grimm,
If you have Hightower's finishing DVD, he shows a good method to do this. The tool he uses can be found at Home Depot or Lowe's.

I suggest that when you are posing questions, add in there what you have tried already and that you're wondering if there is a better, quicker, easier way of doing things. At least then everyone will know that you have already tried, and what methods you have used.

Good luck.

Im beginning to understand that. I usually try to start my posts off short because I dont wanna bore anyone but that doesnt seem to work to well. I will go in to detail a little more from now on. Although some people would think I was a nutcase if they heard about some of the other things I have tried! Guess thats ok too. LOL Thanks.

Richard
 
Richard,
funny thing some of the poeple on here that say these things arent much of a cue maker to start with in the first place all the videos and dvds you mentioned are great your going about things in the right direction what area are you from? maybe a visit to a locals shop there many that dont mind doing this but read study ask questions watch videos on u tube everything will help be care careful using razor blade to take finish off it most certinally is done and works well try it first on an old cue good luck
lee

Funny but a few that Ive talked started out only months before I did. Most the time I dont mind that because we brainstorm together. Im from the Nashville, area. Ive started talking to a local cue builder recently. A lot of good advise. Visited Joe Barringers shop last year in FL and he gave me some great advice. So all and all I get little tid bits of info from everyone. Eventually I will have my own tried and proven methods.

Richard
 
Ive tried them all and believe it or not::the best way I have found is to get the crappiest,cheapest paperbacked,sand covered,wood sandpaper you can find!
I bought a $2 assorted pack at a dollar store(4-5 sheets of each grit),each piece doesnt last long but it sure works like a grinder!!!!!all up to you how much you take off.
"IF" you use a razorblade have a piece of leather to hold it between your fingers handy
 
Using a razor blade while the lathe is spinning is an interesting concept.
I wonder what it feels like to have a blade driven thru your thumb.
Maybe I'll try it in the morning.
Maybe I'll post some pictures later.

Looking forward to your contribution to Cyrex's injury thread ... just like me after I wield the blade doing my first leather wrap this weekend :grin:
 
TAPE one half of the blade . Hold on to that tape .
Do not gouge with the blade . Imagine you are just scratching the finish.
I hate those dipped UV finish on house cues.

I can't stop staring at your avatar Joey........................................:thumbup:
 
In the distant past, I painted motorcycles in lacquer or epoxy with pearl and metal flake.... (how about a metal flake cue..... well maybe not..

The point is that one method of removing paint way back then was with a razor blade.... it did work very well but the underlying material was metal. There were even some brave souls that did it on corvettes and they have fiberglass bodies. It can be done but it takes practice to develop the technique. I personally would not use that method and if I did, the cue would not be spinning in the lathe.

I still have all my fingers.

Kim
 
I know there are many who use the blade method but I for one am not going to support it. It's too risky. I'm not talking about cutting yourself because if you do, shame on you for being careless. I'm talking about possible damage to the cue. The cut on your hand will heal (eventually). The gouge in the veneered forearm won't.
Also, the blade removes ALL of the finish, even the seal-coat. You're now down to bare wood. Cross-contamination from sanding dust can hurt your refinish.

I've done my share of refinishes and almost without exception is it necessary to remove all of the existing finish. Yes, you want to remove the dents & scratches and the lifting of the finish on the metal rings but I try to keep as much of the wood sealed as possible. Consider also, the logo.

I prefer sand-paper because it keeps me in control and I know what I'll have when I'm done. It takes longer this way but this is an instance where I'm not in a hurry to attempt perfection.
 
I know there are many who use the blade method but I for one am not going to support it. It's too risky. I'm not talking about cutting yourself because if you do, shame on you for being careless. I'm talking about possible damage to the cue. The cut on your hand will heal (eventually). The gouge in the veneered forearm won't.
Also, the blade removes ALL of the finish, even the seal-coat. You're now down to bare wood. Cross-contamination from sanding dust can hurt your refinish.

I've done my share of refinishes and almost without exception is it necessary to remove all of the existing finish. Yes, you want to remove the dents & scratches and the lifting of the finish on the metal rings but I try to keep as much of the wood sealed as possible. Consider also, the logo.

I prefer sand-paper because it keeps me in control and I know what I'll have when I'm done. It takes longer this way but this is an instance where I'm not in a hurry to attempt perfection.

Hi,

I agree with KJ 100%.

Before taking on a refinish job I look very carefully to see whats involved. If it has a wrap, it's coming off and they are paying for a new wrap. If there is a decal logo I tell them I will try to save it but if I start losing it during sanding it will be just a memory.

If they know this up front, fine. If they have concerns, I am not your man because I am batting about 500% when it comes to decals (ie. McDerrmot clover).

The best thing is to do is not refinish cues of small value. High end cues without decals should get a large dollar if you are considered a very proficient re-finisher.

Time is money and you got to be paid if you perform. Consider how many hours are involved because to do the job right you have to do the shafts too and the joint concentricity must be re created after the new finish is complete.

Rick G
 
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Hi,

I agree with KJ 100%.

Before taking on a refinish job I look very carefully to see whats involved. If it has a wrap, it's coming off and they are paying for a new wrap. If there is a decal logo I tell them I will try to save it but if I start losing it during sanding it will be just a memory.

If they know this up front, fine. If they have concerns, I am not your man because I am batting about 500% when it comes to decals (ie. McDerrmot clover).

The best thing is to do is not refinish cues of small value. High end cues without decals should get a large dollar if you are considered a very proficient re-finisher.

Time is money and you got to be paid if you perform. Consider how many hours are involved because to do the job right you have to do the shafts too and the joint concentricity must be re created after the new finish is complete.

Rick G

I think cut down house cues with dipped UV finish qualify for razor blade work.
Joey~Does not like sanding UV finishes~:D
 
On a straight cue :) Nice sharp utility blade, light pressure, take your time, check often to see what you're removing, and then you can use some sandpaper. If you try hurrying and applying too much pressure they'll be re-doing your fingers at the hospital. Think of it as if you are skinning an expensive pelt.

I can't think of any procedure in cuemaking that's completely safe...including giving advice here. :)

Mario
 
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