Rempe's Snooker Efforts

smashmouth said:
they won't mind I'm sure

get me that host
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Wow, next time yer at a tournament Pat Fleming is at, why not just club him over the head and steal his wallet? If yer gonna steal from the man, s**t, just go all the way with it.

But here's an idea.. If they ARE Accu-Stats matches, just call Pat at Accu-Stats. He'll answer. I've talked to him before.

Ask him if he minds you downloading the matches for free it cost him a few thousand to film..

Russ
 
smashmouth said:
I have about 5000 hrs worth of Acu Stats snooker footage, give me a good host site and I'll post it
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Accu-Stats Snooker coverage???? That's the first I heard about that. Maybe Pat bought it from the UK. I will ask him next time we talk.
 
Fatboy said:
i'd bet on hendry if we could bet on snooker too, didnt they do that about 15 years ago, theytook Miz and steve davis and they played 8ball, snooker and straight pool. anyways i barely remember it but miz-i think it was him won the 2 games played on a 9' table and got smoked on the 12' table,


paul brienza tired it too in the earily 80's for 6 months or something-he came bac to sacramento.
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You are correct. Steve won the two "Pool" disciplines.
 
smashmouth said:
him and Mizerak both tried, both failed
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Essentially correct. Jimmy tried for a few years, even putting a 6x12 in his house. He made it past the first round or two once or twice, but no further. I asked him about it once, and he said we had "no chance" playing snooker with these guys. And he meant any American player.
 
smashmouth said:
there is no Accu Stats snooker coverage Jay

I was just playin with Russ
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Make sure you identify yourself to me if we ever meet in person at a tournament, so I can tell you what a f***ing jerk you are.

Personally, I don't find it funny at all that people post any portion of Accu-Stats videos on YouTube. Unless he authorized it, and I severely doubt he did, it doesn't f***ing matter what other people think will help his business, they have no right to post these videos, or ANY PORTION of them.

***holes like you think it's funny when people are outright stealing from one of the industries' biggest supporters.

And if you do happen to introduce yourself, I'll call you an ***hole to your face, and then I'll go get Pat and see what he has to say to you.

If you are against Accu-Stats piracy as well, then I apologize, but this is not a topic to joke with me about. I see it as outright thievery. If you want to watch an awesome rack of pool, then either buy the Accu-Stats video, or travel to the tournament to watch it in person. That's it. Unless someone who owns the videos is giving it away for free, there are no other choices.

I see a bunch of thieves on the forum posting links to YouTube videos of Accu-Stats recorded racks.

It's just stealing. You'll never convince me of anything else.

Russ
 
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jay helfert said:
Essentially correct. Jimmy tried for a few years, even putting a 6x12 in his house. He made it past the first round or two once or twice, but no further. I asked him about it once, and he said we had "no chance" playing snooker with these guys. And he meant any American player.
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I think the American players sell themselves short. if they have the mental makeup and vision to consistently win at pool, they have the ability to win at snooker.

They just have to dedicate 6+ hours a day for two years straight to do it, the same as any other snooker pro.

Thinking that a pool champion can automatically make the crossover with a few months of practice is probably being a little optimistic.

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
I think the American players sell themselves short. if they have the mental makeup and vision to consistently win at pool, they have the ability to win at snooker.

They just have to dedicate 6+ hours a day for two years straight to do it, the same as any other snooker pro.

Thinking that a pool champion can automatically make the crossover with a few months of practice is probably being a little optimistic.

Russ
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I agree. You would have to dedicate yourself to snooker and put pool aside almost entirely. I would expect that a player would have to move to England immerse him or herself in the snooker scene.
 
there's also no shame in losing over there

Nobody crosses over at the highest levels of cuesports with any success , been that way for decades
 
Cameron Smith said:
I agree. You would have to dedicate yourself to snooker and put pool aside almost entirely. I would expect that a player would have to move to England immerse him or herself in the snooker scene.
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That's right. From the age of 6 or so. That way you won't be getting tonked by the big bad 13 year olds like erm.... Jim Rempe. I don't think you should underestimate how savage the competition is away from the cameras. I think it's a testament to Jim's ability that he achieved what little success that he did, and to his bravery for trying. It must have been a bitter pill to swallow for someone of his stature.

The problem pool players have is that little of what is deeply ingrained is that much use on a snooker table, where nothing really matters but precision. I think if you've had no grounding in snooker until your 30's you are kidding yourself. I'm sure the best would be very good, but very good doesn't even win my local league nowadays - where if you'd like to try for the high break prize you'll need to beat 142 (in a one frame match). At the highest level frames are quite often won or lost with one visit to the table.

For another thing the balls don't play the same angles (obviously) so all of your feel and muscle memory is out of the window. Coming to a pool table this factor is partly compensated for by the massive difference in margin of error. Going the other way it just exposes flaws you never knew you had - you may not be hitting the cue ball exactly in the centre, and you don't cue particularly straight. It's almost impossible to get better than you only need to be, in any sport.

A snooker table will also disabuse you of the notion that putting side on the cue ball makes the object ball go in easier.

Boro Nut
 
i agree that the american players are selling themselves short. it's just a completely different game and a pool stroke doesn't work for it. in a way it's not nessecarilly harder or easier, it's just different. completely differnet styles of playing, and completely different cueing actions required.
 
there were rumours that guys at the clubs who saw mizerak play were in awe of his potential

imo, that's just folklore as Mizerak was thrashed by Steve Davis and was losing to top amateurs in his quest to qualify for the tour

Mosconi was also thrased by Rex Williams

One day, if a world champion ever wins a major tourney in a discipline outside of his own, I'll consider that player the best ever

oh wait a second, Allison Fisher:)
 
smashmouth said:
Nobody crosses over at the highest levels of cuesports with any success , been that way for decades
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That's true. Women obviously don't count (I think you have to be a former snooker player to qualify), and Marlon Manalo wasn't anywhere near the highest level of snooker. Snooker player Mark Selby destroying Darren Appleton in the final of the English 8 ball version world championships doesn't count either because it's just a joke pub game, as their pathetic showing at the IPT proved.

Boro Nut
 
Boro Nut said:
That's true. Women obviously don't count (I think you have to be a former snooker player to qualify), and Marlon Manalo wasn't anywhere near the highest level of snooker. Snooker player Mark Selby destroying Darren Appleton in the final of the English 8 ball version world championships doesn't count either because it's just a joke pub game, as their pathetic showing at the IPT proved.

Boro Nut
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Boro Nut you make some great points, the one in your previous post being the most significant. I've tried in the past and failed but its the AGE and not what sport which makes the difference. I stand by my past remarks that no pool player of today including Efren could make it as a top snooker player no matter how long he played the sport. If you don't have a snooker cue in your hand by 10 you have little hope. Great wealth and TV exposure have made the barriers of entry so high its just to difficult to explain. BTW, this is not a dig at Americans, it applies to English pool players too.

Going over to England and playing SNooker full time isn't probably going to make you the best player in town never mind a top pro.

It's good to hear what Miz said, more people should listen to what he said because he experienced BOTH games at the highest level. 99.9% of the time people that think pool players could go over and compete have a very very limited exposure to top level Snooker.

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Interesting to see the British 9 ball players top breaks on the Pro 9 forums the other week. Many of the Top British players have 147's but never made it at Snooker. Andy Worthington made 142 I think recently with a z shaft on a tight full sized snooker table! :eek:
 
I've made a 49 break (didn't pot the black once), so you recommend me to go to London to play snooker? ;)

However, I think that Tony Drago is one player who has been semifinalists in major snooker tournaments, and also semifinalist in the World 9-ball Championship. He is def one of the best poolplayers in the world, but sad but true not even close in snooker anymore... And he has played snooker for years!!!
 
Roy Steffensen said:
I've made a 49 break (didn't pot the black once), so you recommend me to go to London to play snooker? ;)

However, I think that Tony Drago is one player who has been semifinalists in major snooker tournaments, and also semifinalist in the World 9-ball Championship. He is def one of the best poolplayers in the world, but sad but true not even close in snooker anymore... And he has played snooker for years!!!
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I made an 80ish break one time.. I was up in Canada playing a 9 ball tournament.. Was playing Charlie Brown a little snooker, and couldn't find my eyes.. Charlie gets called for his match, and passes me off to another Canadian player, saying something in French.

The other player BREAKS WIDE OPEN on me! And I run 80-something, and the guy is standing there with a shocked look on his face. A few minutes later I asked him what Charlie said to him in French. He said you were not a good player!

As a side note, I played quite a bit of snooker in Thailand, beating up on all the club players after I got the hang of it. They played a short rack version of snooker with 10 reds.. They weren't especially good, but you had to run 30's and 40's to have a chance with these guys..

For those that mentioned playing with a pool cue, I do not recommend it. It feels unusual at first playing with a snooker cue, but after a day or two, it feels as natural as anything...

In Washington state, I used to practice with pool balls on a snooker table covered with Simonis. Good times!

Russ
 
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TheOne said:
Boro Nut you make some great points, the one in your previous post being the most significant.
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Yeah, sorry about that. I don't know what came over me.

It's good to hear what Miz said, more people should listen to what he said because he experienced BOTH games at the highest level.
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I think another important factor to bear in mind is that the powers of the day were actually quite keen for the American contingent to do well. Barry Hearn is a very shrewd business man who was desperately trying to crack America with his snooker bandwagon at the time. But there is nothing more guaranteed to turn off the American public than watching their boy get slaughtered, so I wasn't too surprised that the 'pool/snooker challenge' irrelevances went the way they did. But when they turned up in person the gloves were off.

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Craig, I'd be interested in your thoughts on Cameron's comments about straight pool being the hardest pool discipline for snooker players. From what little I've seen I'd always thought it would be the discipline most suited to them (with a bit of time), given their familiarity at picking away at the pack. Don't answer that - I think I'll start a topic.

Boro Nut
 
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