Those are the priceless words of Eddie Wheat.JoeyInCali said:
Repair prices
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highrun55 said:
Hello Highrun, I am also the only Room Owner in the State of Washington who does full repairs and Conversion Cue building on site. Like we have previously discussed in the room owners forum, I do not know how room owners survive without repair work. I mean the repair work and the cue Conversions add between $2500 and $4500 monthly to my gross sales.
In addition, I have close to $30,000 in production cues, cases, and other accessories on site for sale any given day.
I truly believe that in the near future being asssssss will be the only way for pool rooms to survive. The days of just trying to make ends meet by by renting pool tables are over, to be successful you have to offer much more.
Take Care
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I know, I saved that for Dave.Craig Fales said:
dave sutton
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Arnot Wadsworth said:and
One of my helpers is a poker dealer during the season and he tells me that he generally works 30 minutes and rests 30 minutes. At this rate Dave Sutton is only working 4 hours a day and receiving by his own words $400-$500 a day. That comes to $100 to $125 per hour with no investment. Considrering that I work 60+ hours a week that would come to ................
I am glad that Dave is able to make so much money dealing cards but I really think that if he were to make his living building and repairing cues his prices would be very different.
FLA isnt A.C. im and very fortunate to deal in easily one of the top 5 rooms in the world to play poker and thats being generous. prob top 2 or 3 besides the commerce in L.A and maybe foxwoods. i am very fortunate to be where i am. there are thousands that would kill to be where i am. as far and 30 mins on and 30 mins off that isnt true for me. maybe in a dead house. we generally have more games at one time then some rooms tables peroid. big games that no one else speads even if they wanted too. we completely crippled the taj. the only players that go there just about are players that are banned from our room or dont know any better.
as far as ppol goes location deff dictates prices as ryan stated. guess im lucky there also. i live between a alot of rooms. im generally as busy as i want to be. if i want time off i stay out of the room. if someone needs something they call and come over.
im by no meaning trashing prices. i like to discuss how other do things even across the country. trying to make myself better. i remember when i paid 15-20 a moori. with the internet nothing is sacred anymore. im sure that transfers into many different parts of life. some try to fight it and some roll with the punches. its not gonna change. there is nothing we can do. all you can do is stick to your guns and if they want it, they want it. if they dont, they dont. thats that
I have read this thread with great interest and I do agree with many of you. If it it's of any interest on how things are in my end, keep reading:
There used to be just one man in the whole country doing repair. A Moori installed used to be $45.
Then I started doing my own repairs and have done some customers work and for a Kamui I charge prox $27 installed. This is the highest price I have charged, but I have done repairs for free for kids and other going at school etc. I have actually given these kids free tips in the pool hall some time.
So, just to fresh up how it is in general here :
A GC IV pool table costs $15 500
Gas/petrol prices is $2/litre.
0.5 L of Beer: $12 and some places even more ..
In general, it is expensive over here !
Now, trying to be humble to some pool players, doing work cheap (This is for sure not my primary income), what is the feedback I sometimes get?
Well, having a pool player discussing prices on either equipment or work/repair (on some work I have spent possibly one hour on) or a tip, I some times do give a good price and even free as mentioned.
And what do I then find: The same guys debating a $20 work is either gambling for $500 in pool, or sitting in the corner blowing money on Poker and drinking beers ...........:shocked2:
I would therefor say, even if you are nice and helping out, it sometimes $ucks big time and it's not going to be in you're benefit anyway. You get simple "used" by some.. So living by the Robin Hood principal in repair work is not always going the right way. You take from you're self and use time and money, just to give to the rich some times ....
It might be just over here, but I do understand that some charge more to support all the expenses added in machinery,labor and materials especially if this is you're primary income.
Heck, I would have done much better if I had put the money I have used on this in the bank, but these day's I guess that's risky business in the US at least d ..
And not as fun in respect of perfecting you're skills and work the machinary of course :thumbup:
Kent
There used to be just one man in the whole country doing repair. A Moori installed used to be $45.
Then I started doing my own repairs and have done some customers work and for a Kamui I charge prox $27 installed. This is the highest price I have charged, but I have done repairs for free for kids and other going at school etc. I have actually given these kids free tips in the pool hall some time.
So, just to fresh up how it is in general here :
A GC IV pool table costs $15 500
Gas/petrol prices is $2/litre.
0.5 L of Beer: $12 and some places even more ..
In general, it is expensive over here !
Now, trying to be humble to some pool players, doing work cheap (This is for sure not my primary income), what is the feedback I sometimes get?
Well, having a pool player discussing prices on either equipment or work/repair (on some work I have spent possibly one hour on) or a tip, I some times do give a good price and even free as mentioned.
And what do I then find: The same guys debating a $20 work is either gambling for $500 in pool, or sitting in the corner blowing money on Poker and drinking beers ...........:shocked2:
I would therefor say, even if you are nice and helping out, it sometimes $ucks big time and it's not going to be in you're benefit anyway. You get simple "used" by some.. So living by the Robin Hood principal in repair work is not always going the right way. You take from you're self and use time and money, just to give to the rich some times ....
It might be just over here, but I do understand that some charge more to support all the expenses added in machinery,labor and materials especially if this is you're primary income.
Heck, I would have done much better if I had put the money I have used on this in the bank, but these day's I guess that's risky business in the US at least d ..
And not as fun in respect of perfecting you're skills and work the machinary of course :thumbup:
Kent
Newton said:I have read this thread with great interest and I do agree with many of you. If it it's of any interest on how things are in my end, keep reading:
There used to be just one man in the whole country doing repair. A Moori installed used to be $45.
Then I started doing my own repairs and have done some customers work and for a Kamui I charge prox $27 installed. This is the highest price I have charged, but I have done repairs for free for kids and other going at school etc. I have actually given these kids free tips in the pool hall some time.
So, just to fresh up how it is in general here :
A GC IV pool table costs $15 500
Gas/petrol prices is $2/litre.
0.5 L of Beer: $12 and some places even more ..
In general, it is expensive over here !
Now, trying to be humble to some pool players, doing work cheap (This is for sure not my primary income), what is the feedback I sometimes get?
Well, having a pool player discussing prices on either equipment or work/repair (on some work I have spent possibly one hour on) or a tip, I some times do give a good price and even free as mentioned.
And what do I then find: The same guys debating a $20 work is either gambling for $500 in pool, or sitting in the corner blowing money on Poker and drinking beers ...........:shocked2:
I would therefor say, even if you are nice and helping out, it sometimes $ucks big time and it's not going to be in you're benefit anyway. You get simple "used" by some.. So living by the Robin Hood principal in repair work is not always going the right way. You take from you're self and use time and money, just to give to the rich some times ....
It might be just over here, but I do understand that some charge more to support all the expenses added in machinery,labor and materials especially if this is you're primary income.
Heck, I would have done much better if I had put the money I have used on this in the bank, but these day's I guess that's risky business in the US at least d ..
And not as fun in respect of perfecting you're skills and work the machinary of course :thumbup:
Kent
Well said, It's no different here. Human nature is universal in most parts.
Greg
One that I have learned and experienced over the years in buying cues and having repairs done direct from the cuemaker is that about 90% of them work cheap.
There has been this mind set about not putting a real professional value on your work. By the way you are professional's..aren't you?
I hear so many of you cuemakers talk about working cheap ..blah blah blah.
How you value yourself and what you do, others will see the same.
If you are a real professional cuemaker....charge accordingly.
Me personally I got to the top cuemakers to get my work done and I pay them what they ask without hesitation and I'm glad to do it.
There are few financially successful cuemakers and the reason is that most of you guys don't believe your talent,materials,overhead and quallity are worth $ 40 a tip for a Moori or $ 200.00 to $ 300.00 for a shaft etc. and that is unfortunate.
It's you business do what you want.
In my mind if a guy works cheap he probably is and if he puts such a low value on his service's I won't do business with him.
Some of you cuemakers out there may take offense with this post....
that would be real sad.
There has been this mind set about not putting a real professional value on your work. By the way you are professional's..aren't you?
I hear so many of you cuemakers talk about working cheap ..blah blah blah.
How you value yourself and what you do, others will see the same.
If you are a real professional cuemaker....charge accordingly.
Me personally I got to the top cuemakers to get my work done and I pay them what they ask without hesitation and I'm glad to do it.
There are few financially successful cuemakers and the reason is that most of you guys don't believe your talent,materials,overhead and quallity are worth $ 40 a tip for a Moori or $ 200.00 to $ 300.00 for a shaft etc. and that is unfortunate.
It's you business do what you want.
In my mind if a guy works cheap he probably is and if he puts such a low value on his service's I won't do business with him.
Some of you cuemakers out there may take offense with this post....
that would be real sad.
Basicly i pretty much agree with you,most people dont ask how much,they just want the work done but i always tell them up front,most guys dont dicker over prices,i get 1 guy bring 3 shafts and 3 elkmaster tips and wants to know if i can do them for $15.00,i never do but he always asks,i tell him to learn to do them himself,ill even show him how if he buys a latheHIRUN526 said:
dave sutton
Banned
i dont really know what to say but ill try.
if one guy will do the job for 40$ and another guy will do the same quality job with the same quality products for 30$. who do you think will do more buisness? its a no brainer. i think doing quality work is a must but being competitive in price is what could be the difference.
if you are willing to pay 33% more to say dennis searing (example) did your moori then i can respect that. i can understand. it always cracks me up that the shaft master guy is next to joe blackburn at SBE. personally i wouldnt hand him my shaft to hand directly to joe blackburn. thats my prefrence. i like the guy i guess but joe is joe. some guys get the work solely based on who they are. im rambling...
if one guy will do the job for 40$ and another guy will do the same quality job with the same quality products for 30$. who do you think will do more buisness? its a no brainer. i think doing quality work is a must but being competitive in price is what could be the difference.
if you are willing to pay 33% more to say dennis searing (example) did your moori then i can respect that. i can understand. it always cracks me up that the shaft master guy is next to joe blackburn at SBE. personally i wouldnt hand him my shaft to hand directly to joe blackburn. thats my prefrence. i like the guy i guess but joe is joe. some guys get the work solely based on who they are. im rambling...
You bring up another facet of this discussion. What is everyones take on repair prices at the shows? Now there are far more repairmen at the super billiard expo than there used to be ( if I remember correctly) and I have seen prices for repairs hold or go down at the show over the last couple years.
I have heard many comments from customers and shoppers about how the repair guys are essentially price gouging at the shows. I mention to them that there is quite a bit of expense to go to the bigger shows. I personally dont think bumping the price of the repairs a few bucks is unreasonable to offset the cost of traveling there to do repairs. What are your thoughts on show prices? Chris.
I have heard many comments from customers and shoppers about how the repair guys are essentially price gouging at the shows. I mention to them that there is quite a bit of expense to go to the bigger shows. I personally dont think bumping the price of the repairs a few bucks is unreasonable to offset the cost of traveling there to do repairs. What are your thoughts on show prices? Chris.
Chris Byrne said:
I seldom do tournaments or shows anymore as I only build custom cues so have none to show or sell. You have to jack up your repair prices at tournaments because of all the waisted time in preparing for the tournament, loading and unloading the equipment, travel expenses, booth rental which can run from 500.00 to 2,000.00, hotel bills and of coarse eating and drinking at exaggerated prices. On top of this, the money you lose from not being in the shop. For this reason I raise my tip prices by 5.00. I used to do a few Viking tours until I seen how much it was costing me. If you can sell two or three cues it helps a little. Now I do one tournament a year and that is the South Western Ohio APA play-offs every memorial day weekend.
Dick
dave sutton
Banned
some prices are deff higher. i dont mind but i never got alot of work done. its a matter of convenience. joe balckburn is the only other person i let touch my cue. steve lomax also. if you get things done often or if you have alot to do joe cuts you a break. atleast me he does. i dont ask because its rude but he hooks me up. for that i tell EVERYONE only let joe touch your cue.
Chris Byrne said:
Chris, I do think players feel like there is price gouging at the Tournaments and the shows. I own a Pool Room, where I do some cue conversions, and offer full repairs to include complete refinish work. In the Northwest, there are not a large number of major tournaments, but we have very large numbers of League players, BCA, APA, ACS, and TAP. Which means we have four National Championships every year that our players go to.
Over the last two years 80% or more of these players have been getting their repair work done before they go, because of the prices. They do however, buy merchandise, but even then they wait until the vendors are getting ready to leave so that they can get the best prices. I myself have passed twice on setting up at some of these events, not because there is no money to made, we all know that repairs are more profitable than cue making, because of this trend.
Take care!