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Rather than hi-jack another person's thread about Predator's plans for the REVO shaft I am going to post my rant in its own thread.

I have no info about what Predator's plans are.

I do however know what my plans are. I am going back to wood and getting rid of my REVO shaft.

After approximately 6 months of hitting a lot of balls with a REVO shaft my response is 'bleh'. The more I play with it the less impressed I am. I have tried the shaft on a variety of different Predator butts and butts from other cue makers and none seem to pair well. The best seemed to be a prototype shaft on a Samsara butt.

The production shaft is, as advertised, low to no deflection. This at first caused me to be quite enthusiastic about it. Over time I have realized that playing and practicing more was as much, if not more, the reason for my game improving. The shaft's deflection rate is not, IMO, noticeably different from the Z-3 shaft and lacks the 'alive' feeling that seems to characterize a quality cue. The REVO shaft gives this 'tink' type of dead click when it hits the ball. The same shaft stiffness that prevents deflection also prevents feedback on the hit. This 'dead' sensation when you stroke it is, IMO, added to by how big the shaft is.

Since there are no options on shaft diameter or joint type then continuing to try and find a solution when there isn't one makes no sense. This point was driven home, for me at least, when I realized the only people touting the REVO shaft are shooting non-standard shafts not available to the public. Sure wish I had that realization before I bought one. It's not that the REVO is a bad shaft, it's just not anything special. I'm still puzzled why I thought it would be such a big deal when I got it. I'll just chalk it up to 'live and learn'. No big deal.

On the bright side, the really nice Samsara I put aside is now back in the mix.


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Outlander said:
Rather than hi-jack another person's thread about Predator's plans for the REVO shaft I am going to post my rant in its own thread.

I have no info about what Predator's plans are.

I do however know what my plans are. I am going back to wood and getting rid of my REVO shaft.

After approximately 6 months of hitting a lot of balls with a REVO shaft my response is 'bleh'. The more I play with it the less impressed I am. I have tried the shaft on a variety of different Predator butts and butts from other cue makers and none seem to pair well. The best seemed to be a prototype shaft on a Samsara butt.

The production shaft is, as advertised, low to no deflection. This at first caused me to be quite enthusiastic about it. Over time I have realized that playing and practicing more was as much, if not more, the reason for my game improving. The shaft's deflection rate is not, IMO, noticeably different from the Z-3 shaft and lacks the 'alive' feeling that seems to characterize a quality cue. The REVO shaft gives this 'tink' type of dead click when it hits the ball. The same shaft stiffness that prevents deflection also prevents feedback on the hit. This 'dead' sensation when you stroke it is, IMO, added to by how big the shaft is.

Since there are no options on shaft diameter or joint type then continuing to try and find a solution when there isn't one makes no sense. This point was driven home, for me at least, when I realized the only people touting the REVO shaft are shooting non-standard shafts not available to the public. Sure wish I had that realization before I bought one. It's not that the REVO is a bad shaft, it's just not anything special. I'm still puzzled why I thought it would be such a big deal when I got it. I'll just chalk it up to 'live and learn'. No big deal.

On the bright side, the really nice Samsara I put aside is now back in the mix.


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What a coincidence, I am looking into buying the revo shaft separately from the butt. Do you plan on selling just the shaft alone?
 
The sound and lack of feedback is something that takes time to deal with. However, as you mentioned it does have about the same deflection as the Z3 and after all, it is just a shaft.
Not sure what is was you were expecting when you first went into the Revo. Personally, I am only a few weeks into my Revos but if it continues be just a shaft, than I fine with that.
I like the lack of cleaning, the lack of dents/dings, and the lack of deflection enough to deal with the sound and diameter.
Actually, I believe the larger diameter is showing some benefits in the longer power stroke shots already. It's simply more forgiving than the Z. I had been contemplating moving back to the 314 but I didn't want to gain deflection after dialing in the Z3.
It's all just about playing time and enjoying it, obviously Revo isn't going to work for everyone... I have shooting friends that hated my Z2s and Z3s as well, others thought the Vantage was a tree limb but given sometime to adjust, and I like them all.
 
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I am a big Predator fan and the Revo shaft might be the worst LD shaft I've ever hit with. I thought the Meucci black dot was POS, until I hit with the Revo. Damn shame Predator made this shaft but kudos to great marketing.
 
scsuxci said:
I am a big Predator fan and the Revo shaft might be the worst LD shaft I've ever hit with. I thought the Meucci black dot was POS, until I hit with the Revo. Damn shame Predator made this shaft but kudos to great marketing.
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Agreed with that.., great marketing scheme. Gotta give them props for that.
 
...and I hold the opposite view. I think it's the best hitting shaft ever produced! Incredible lack of deflection.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

scsuxci said:
I am a big Predator fan and the Revo shaft might be the worst LD shaft I've ever hit with. I thought the Meucci black dot was POS, until I hit with the Revo. Damn shame Predator made this shaft but kudos to great marketing.
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Bob Jewitt had a custom Revo at 12.0 mm and still believes a smaller diameter would be better...not confirmed if he plays tournaments with it

Darren Appleton has gone through 4 versions of the Revo (according to his comments on his Facebook page) with varying weights/diameters and still plays in tournaments with his wood shaft.

Other predator pros like Mark Grey just use the Revo for breaking, sticking to wood....

Scott Lee had a Revo modified with a joint to fit the butt of his player, which is a luxury many players might have liked from predator...

I have yet to see a pro win a tournament with a stock Revo leading me to believe the adjustment (without modifications made) is extremely difficult for a pro speed player.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
Bob Jewitt had a custom Revo at 12.0 mm and still believes a smaller diameter would be better...not confirmed if he plays tournaments with it

Darren Appleton has gone through 4 versions of the Revo (according to his comments on his Facebook page) with varying weights/diameters and still plays in tournaments with his wood shaft.

Other predator pros like Mark Grey just use the Revo for breaking, sticking to wood....

Scott Lee had a Revo modified with a joint to fit the butt of his player, which is a luxury many players might have liked from predator...

I have yet to see a pro win a tournament with a stock Revo leading me to believe the adjustment (without modifications made) is extremely difficult for a pro speed player.
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I play 14.1 with Bob every Sunday, except when he plays in or goes to a tournament. He is on his way to Mosconi cup now. He has been playing with his Revo since he got it and does use it in tournaments. However, Bob can kick my ass in with any cue. I do beat him every once in a while, though.

-dj
 
DJKeys said:
I play 14.1 with Bob every Sunday, except when he plays in or goes to a tournament. He is on his way to Mosconi cup now. He has been playing with his Revo since he got it and does use it in tournaments. However, Bob can kick my ass in with any cue. I do beat him every once in a while, though.

-dj
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If I'm not mistaken weren't you the guy who was able to confirm Bob had the 12.0 mm Revo? That was one of the first public acknowledgments that predator had the capability to produce varying shaft sizes.

This is all helpful information. Nice to know Bob is playing well and with confidence with his 12.0mm Revo.

Maybe you can get him to chime in here with his thoughts of the 12.8mm standard size and why he asked for a modified shaft.

His viewpoint after all carries a ton of credibility.
 
Strictly a matter of his friendship with Paul Costain. He was supposed to try it out, and not tell anyone. LOL This came straight from Predator's marketing director. Mine was more a matter of the owner of the company wanting me to play with it (and me definitely wanting to play with it), and show off the shaft to the thousands of normal people that I come into contact with, all over the country. :D Just FTR, the standard Revo shaft is 12.9mm, not 12.8.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

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Maybe you can get him to chime in here with his thoughts of the 12.8mm standard size and why he asked for a modified shaft.

His viewpoint after all carries a ton of credibility.
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Cardigan Kid said:
Other predator pros like Mark Grey just use the Revo for breaking, sticking to wood....

I have yet to see a pro win a tournament with a stock Revo leading me to believe the adjustment (without modifications made) is extremely difficult for a pro speed player.
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Mark Grey is using a snooker cue, so I'm not that shocked that he doesnt't use a Revo.

I have absolutely zero information about Jasmin Ouchan's Revo, but she keeps winning Eurotour events with hers....
 
AlienObserver said:
Mark Grey is using a snooker cue, so I'm not that shocked that he doesnt't use a Revo.

I have absolutely zero information about Jasmin Ouchan's Revo, but she keeps winning Eurotour events with hers....
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She hasn't had the greatest 2016 year....

http://www.azbilliards.com/people/2463-jasmin-ouschan/results/

I watched a few matches of hers post Revo on YouTube and it wasn't the usual Jasmine. It all may be anecdotal, but then again, it might just be the shaft.


In 2015 she was still with her 314...

2015 Year in Review
EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$30,500 36th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$7,500 1st WPBA Masters 2015
$20,000 2nd Women World 9B C'ship 2015
- 3rd Women's T't of Champions 2015
$2,200 9th China Open Women's Div. 2015
$800 17th Amway World Open 2015
 
I really wanted a Revo shaft, I'm glad I got to try out a couple. The good was the super low deflection and I really like the black shaft. The bad was they felt dead to me. So I'm relieved I didn't buy one. LD is nice but I want whatever shaft I'm playing with to have some feedback/feel.
 
Outlander said:
This point was driven home, for me at least, when I realized the only people touting the REVO shaft are shooting non-standard shafts not available to the public.
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I have been using a standard REVO shaft for a couple months now and I love it. I feel it's more consistent than the 314-2 I used for a couple years and way better than the 314-3 I tried to use. To each their own, I guess it's not for everyone but it's 100% for me.
 
Cardigan Kid said:
If I'm not mistaken weren't you the guy who was able to confirm Bob had the 12.0 mm Revo? That was one of the first public acknowledgments that predator had the capability to produce varying shaft sizes.

This is all helpful information. Nice to know Bob is playing well and with confidence with his 12.0mm Revo.

Maybe you can get him to chime in here with his thoughts of the 12.8mm standard size and why he asked for a modified shaft.

His viewpoint after all carries a ton of credibility.
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Yes, correct. I commented on that in another thread. My guess is that eventually Predator will make the shaft available in many sizes and joint configurations, as it has been proven that they can already do that.

-dj
 
DJKeys said:
Yes, correct. I commented on that in another thread. My guess is that eventually Predator will make the shaft available in many sizes and joint configurations, as it has been proven that they can already do that.
-dj
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They may... Be size could be a issue. No matter what your process is. That material changes it's density depending upon thickness and shape. They found that out years ago with Tennis Rackets.
 
scsuxci said:
I am a big Predator fan and the Revo shaft might be the worst LD shaft I've ever hit with. I thought the Meucci black dot was POS, until I hit with the Revo. Damn shame Predator made this shaft but kudos to great marketing.
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I simply have no idea how you can hit with the Revo and equate it to a lesser shaft than a Black dot.

As a owner of the Revo and previous user of Red dots, Black dots, SharpShooters, 314, Zs, and Vantage... your "worse LD shaft" comment is nothing short of confusing to me.
I can agree with just about any negative comments about the Black dot shafts but there is simply no LD comparison what so ever to the Revo.
 
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Hidy Ho said:
Do you think that cuemakers grow their own maple tree to make their shafts? that's hilarious ... lol ... they buy the shaft blanks from ________.
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Of course not...but there are cue makers that cut their own blanks, there are cue makers that make pretty much every component of their cue with the exception of tips...at the end of the day there are "CUEMAKERS" and then you have "CUE ASSEMBLERS"
 
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