SPINTHEBALL said:That Tad got any ivory inlays?
No, they're plastic. That's why it's only $4,000.

SPINTHEBALL said:That Tad got any ivory inlays?
CNC work or not, it is a beauty. I bet you won't find any computer aided work on that Snakeskin case pictured with the Chudy.classiccues said:Bruin,
I want to ask you a serious question.. if I programed a computer to "paint" a picture, would the art world call it art? I am talking a brush in a collet, telling the computer to "dip" and to "paint". Would YOU view it as art?
Just curious...
Joe (---BTW its a nice cue.
cornerstone said:Jim once again your ignorance shines thrue,that coarse exterior ,
I'm sorry care to elaborate? What part am I ignorant about? The part where hit is subjective? I guess I'm just missing your point and you ain't making it any clearer.
continue doing what you do best and that is brining out the worst in people.
I also don't feel I'm bringing out the worst in you, shit I don't even feel what I said to you was offensive or off base.
you pick fights for no reason, and slam every body but the ones kissing your a$$.
I don't think I'm picking a fight with you here, and I don't know of any who kiss my ass, care to share the list with me?
You are a true statment to yoursel!keep doing all that you do , but i will not give in to it . see you at the derby! Bill
cornerstone said:sean , seems like we are shady crafty used car sales men,< I think you matt and "rabbitboy' jeff. are great people to deal with, and apperantly we b are grouped by jimbo together, But with company like you guys Iam proud to be lumped together with you guys your great company! BTW is this the forsale area? oh well here it goes! JUST GOT RICKS NEW CAVALIER!!! 5900.00 ANY TAKERS PRICE FOR ALL AZERS!!THIS ONE IS EBONY IVORY AND MOP 19.1 OZ 2-13MM SHAFTS AND UNPLAYED!!!!
TATE said:Yes he does but you would never know it. They're flat beautiful..
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bruin70 said:anything can be considered art, but its validity varies with different people.
would I? ,,,,if someone does what he thinks is creative and feels he is producing art, i'm not going to argue with him and say no it ain't. that would be imposing MY sensibilties on him. even though i may think it sucks or that it has no place next to a painting. hell, he might be making 10x more than me next year and the whole art world might think he's the next picasso.
yet every piece of "art" in its abstract form should rely on some design sense in order to bring cohesiveness to the piece. what makes such a task almost impossible today is that "art" has been deconstructed to the point where such guidelines are frowned upon.....have been for a long time. i even read somewhere of a movement that proposes that elemental skills in design and drawing are no longer valid. i cannot relate to this, so i choose not to participate in this fallacy.
if i sound wishy washy, it is intentionaly so. art is subjective. which is why i only gave an opinion, and have not tried to argue a point. it's one thing to say i don't like,,,it's another to say you're wrong.
ps,,,specific to your question, even if a person uses a computer, HE still has to input all the parameters and schemes, though i don't have to like it. but my opinion of the cue was not based on whether or not it was done by computer, but ONLY the design itself. ernie uses cnc, and i like his stuff
JimBo said:I also found it funny that you tried to smash Joe for doing it the legal way. You don't really get to choose who you get lumped together with or how others view that, but what's done is already done, I am glad you like it. Good luck selling the cue, I'll bet you $5 it won't sell to a member from AZ***
Jim
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iconcue said:TAP!TAP!TAP! CRRAAACKK !
damn! i broke it!
you are by far the biggest thief in the industry and ,iwas not trying to sell cues until i got screwed twice by you guys aT classic cues,Oncee on a black that was supposed to be straight and it wasnt, then you told me to hit some balls with it and it will straighten out!! (I had it repaired and richard made me shafts!) then on a schick that was supposed to be clean and straight and it was beat and wobbled with a bent pin!and classic cues told me i got a great deal what do i expect! $4200.00 .After those theiving lies and swindling buisness practice ,I then decided to go into competition with you low lifes. and i am sorry i hurt your buis soo bad that you have to try to slander me but if it is all you can do! have at it. the most buis i get is from people who choose not to do buis with people like you Good luck!!!classiccues said:Well Jim, since you and alot of other people have alerted me to this.. lets just call it like we see it... and you know whats coming...
I have NEVER come on here as another screen name to misrepresent my business practices.. I have NEVER used someone else's screen name (a collectors to boot) to provoke my competitors... I have NEVER tried to get another dealer to give me a discount WHILE I was stabbing him in the back trying to keep a big player all to myself... I have NEVER hid behind the Bible, because a good Christian would do NONE of these things.
Let me say one other thing.. Ginacues, Scruggs, the nice Chudy's, the McWorters.. Bill's right.. they sell themselves. ANY idiot could sell one of these cues.. this is a no brainer (which explains why he sell them) But get behind a cuemaker that is UNKNOWN, cues where you might not make the score you would like, maybe even lose a few dollars in the process of promotion.. thats a dealer. Myself with Skip, and a few others, Sean with Gilbert, even Ken who bought Carmeli more or less into main stream, this is cue dealing... not bandwagon sales.
any other questions?
Joe (---if you take a swing, it won't go unanswered
cornerstone said:you are by far the biggest thief in the industry and ,iwas not trying to sell cues until i got screwed twice by you guys aT classic cues,Oncee on a black that was supposed to be straight and it wasnt, then you told me to hit some balls with it and it will straighten out!! (I had it repaired and richard made me shafts!) then on a schick that was supposed to be clean and straight and it was beat and wobbled with a bent pin!and classic cues told me i got a great deal what do i expect! $4200.00 .After those theiving lies and swindling buisness practice ,I then decided to go into competition with you low lifes. and i am sorry i hurt your buis soo bad that you have to try to slander me but if it is all you can do! have at it. the most buis i get is from people who choose not to do buis with people like you Good luck!!!
It was never offered to me! and you are why i got in this buis thank yoU ! because i never would have tried until i got screwed twice by you!! and i was nevr offer any compensation or refund ! so much for your policy!classiccues said:Our policy: Send the cue back if not satisfied. You elected to keep the cues so how bad could they have been? We didn't twist your arm if you weren't happy. Everyone on the planet knows that the deal is not final unless you keep the cues, and are satisfied. We would never refuse a return... ever
Joe (---thought Christians didn't lie.. what do I know
cornerstone said:It was never offered to me! and you are why i got in this buis thank yoU ! because i never would have tried until i got screwed twice by you!! and i was nevr offer any compensation or refund ! so much for your policy!
I bought my first mcdermott 3 years ago!so your info is wrong! and you are the person, your reputation has presented you as!the reason you sponsor new cue makers is they will give you product and you dont have cues from the big guys is you dont buy from them cause they want money!and you try to steal them on thesecondary market,Iam done with you and this conversation!good luck with all your endevors!!!!!classiccues said:You never asked... its not an offer its a policy.. did you send the cues back?
BTW stop lying.. you bankrolled your McDermott deal to jump into customs. If what you said was true, why would you try to get the cues in the first place to flip, if you weren't into cue dealing to begin with?
Joe
cornerstone said:I bought my first mcdermott 3 years ago!so your info is wrong! and you are the person, your reputation has presented you as!the reason you sponsor new cue makers is they will give you product and you dont have cues from the big guys is you dont buy from them cause they want money!and you try to steal them on thesecondary market,Iam done with you and this conversation!good luck with all your endevors!!!!!
Are you classic cues? or just when you want to be? and so you say that ernie guterriz, richard black,jerry mcworter,rick chudy,joel hercek, barry szamboti.thomas wayne,dont build to your perfect specs? boy you aer messed up!!they are the big boys and the best in their class iam sorry they dont hold a candle to your cue makers, but Ill stick with them and i dont mind paying there prices to get thier Quality! are you drunk?classiccues said:Yeah..ok. Bill... or is it cuegirl, or iconcue (in the CCB).. man so many names I forgot them all..
We have bought and sold more than your little ego can comprehend. BUT unlike you, I don't buy from the "big" guys because the majority of them build cues in a manner I don't like, or believe in. So unlike you who is in it just for the MONEY, I happen to have a certain belief and only deal cues that fit into that way of thinking.
BTW why do you keep changing the subject and not answer the questions?
One other thing that Bill is not being truthful about.. He has NEVER done a deal with classiccues (me). He has never talked to me on the phone, via internet, or anything else regarding cues. So when he loosely uses the words YOU, YOUR or classiccues, in a manner to say that we have dealt. He is lying.
Joe
cornerstone said:Are you classic cues? or just when you want to be? and so you say that ernie guterriz, richard black,jerry mcworter,rick chudy,joel hercek, barry szamboti.thomas wayne,dont build to your perfect specs? boy you aer messed up!!they are the big boys and the best in their class iam sorry they dont hold a candle to your cue makers, but Ill stick with them and i dont mind paying there prices to get thier Quality! are you drunk?
good back strokeclassiccues said:Is this what you consider done with the arguement? Oh I get it, another lie. Anyways, like you, I will not answer direct questions, but change the subject like you do...
But just for the record its not a quality issue... but you wouldn't understand the why.
Joe
iam done with you and or classiccues you are not worth my response any further!cornerstone said:good back stroke
cornerstone said:iam done with you and or classiccues you are not worth my response any further!