Road Players Who Gamble And Sometimes Don't Win.

JoeyA

JoeyA

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You know I was thinking about the road players and how everyone thinks that they are stealing. I know everyone doesn't think all of them are stealing but I was wondering if we should OUT the road players who are KNOWN for gambling and known for sometimes leaving THEIR CASH behind.

I can think of a couple of players who have passed through town and have given me and others good gamble and often times, left their own cash behind.

Do you think it is appropriate to "give those guys credit for gambling and leaving their cash behind"?

None of the players that come to mind are suckers. Far from it, but some road players actually give you a chance and was thinking they might deserve some recognition.

What say you?

JoeyA
 
The fact that sometimes they do leave their cash behind is exactly the point I was trying to make in the "other" thread. And its not always to the house pro. But, you have to step up and gamble to find out. I have seen a few that didnt take the cheese with them when they left. JMO.

Southpaw
 
pool is like a box a chocolates....

I am sure many of you here agree with me sometimes you can walk into a room look around and know you are the best player there. Other times your lower on the food chain. The gamble with the road player is he usually doesnt know who is who... therefore he must believe he is the best. Anyway I believe road players deserve a huge amount of credit for keeping the game alive. Travel in itself is so expensive now maybe we should throw them all a walking stick if they leave their green behind. lol ;)
 
Nobody can get match up right, get the right lines, or win 100% of the time. They will lose some, and sometimes even take close games just to get action or to set up future action. The fact of the matter is though, that they have to have an advantage the majority of the time or they won't be on the road long.
 
I think that one consideration is that these guys are on the road, and they have to try to match up some kind of way. They are normally great players, but if they come into town and nobody will match up even, I think they have to try to make some type of game because of expenses they incur on the road. I think it's alot easier if you are a good player in your hometown, because you have a bed at home and groceries in your (or your girlfriends :) ) fridge. These road players don't, and although I think that they want an easy game, they can be talked into tough action if noone is willing to play.

Mike
 
Mike Templeton said:
I think that one consideration is that these guys are on the road, and they have to try to match up some kind of way. They are normally great players, but if they come into town and nobody will match up even, I think they have to try to make some type of game because of expenses they incur on the road. I think it's alot easier if you are a good player in your hometown, because you have a bed at home and groceries in your (or your girlfriends :) ) fridge. These road players don't, and although I think that they want an easy game, they can be talked into tough action if noone is willing to play.

Mike
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SO......................
Should the names of the road players who have been known to gamble and sometimes leave their cash behind be OUTTED?

I can only think of a couple that can be mentioned because of their willingness to come back and play even though they lost previously. Most of the time, the road players come to town and get out of town with the cash. They are mercenaries of extreme consistency MOST OF THE TIME AND MOST OF THEM. There are a few who are not as consistent and I wonder if their names should be published.

It is true that while in one town they may have lost more than they won and in another town they may have won more than they lost or perhaps they did not even lose at all.

The bottom line: Should the names of roadplayers be published here on AZ who have shown their willingness to actually gamble rather than steal?

Thanks,
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
You know I was thinking about the road players and how everyone thinks that they are stealing. I know everyone doesn't think all of them are stealing but I was wondering if we should OUT the road players who are KNOWN for gambling and known for sometimes leaving THEIR CASH behind.

I can think of a couple of players who have passed through town and have given me and others good gamble and often times, left their own cash behind.

Do you think it is appropriate to "give those guys credit for gambling and leaving their cash behind"?

None of the players that come to mind are suckers. Far from it, but some road players actually give you a chance and was thinking they might deserve some recognition.

What say you?

JoeyA
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There are a couple of things, IMO, that make it a different world for road players anymore. First of all, the nut is brutal and they can't lay around and clock the players speed for several days to work their way through the food chain. At $200 or so a day just to wake up every morning, they need to get down with whoever will give them action. Modern day technology (This website for instance) puts the knock on players and educates their would be victims to the point the action is pretty tough. We don't see many road players come through California anymore unless it is in conjunction with a tournament that is going on. The nut is just too high and we usually know who they are anyway. They just had the BCA Bar Pool Tournaments in Reno and we didn't see any road players at Hard Times in Sacramento, before or after the tournament. They could have snipped me off for a little if they just would have showed up. I had to donate to my regular crew. John
 
The friends that Southpaw, MikeT, and others from this area know that use to go out on the road were some of the best road players of all time. That being said, the main reason they were so successful is that they usually knew who they were going to play, where to find them, and what their speed was. They had to get this information from people and often had to give them some jelly. That is why they made the most money on the road. They could beat most anyone they matched up with, but often didn't show full speed in order to pick off several in the same town, kind of like moving up the ladder until they played the main stick in the area and beat them while playing at full speed.
 
They shouldn't be outted unless they out themselves.

Damage can be done just the same by saying that John Jones won giving Billy Bob the eight just the same if you tell of a spot in which he lost. Both give info into the player's speed.
 
corvette1340 said:
The friends that Southpaw, MikeT, and others from this area know that use to go out on the road were some of the best road players of all time. That being said, the main reason they were so successful is that they usually knew who they were going to play, where to find them, and what their speed was. They had to get this information from people and often had to give them some jelly. That is why they made the most money on the road. They could beat most anyone they matched up with, but often didn't show full speed in order to pick off several in the same town, kind of like moving up the ladder until they played the main stick in the area and beat them while playing at full speed.
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The jelly is / was usually 30 / 40%, which was worth it.

I have told this story before, but it is a good one. I was playing one of the Mexican players from Los Angeles some one pocket years ago at my hangout, The Golden Cue, outside of LA. The other guys stakehorse told me he had a spot where we could take off two or three guys I could beat playing one pocket. I went down there and I had beat a couple of them for a few hundred & then matched up with the last guy he said I should play and took him off too. We met back at the Gold Cue to whack it up and he told me he should get a little extra for the last guy. I asked him why? He said "That was my brother". Whether it was true or not, I'll never know, but he did get a little extra jelly. John
 
jrhendy said:
The jelly is / was usually 30 / 40%, which was worth it.

I have told this story before, but it is a good one. I was playing one of the Mexican players from Los Angeles some one pocket years ago at my hangout, The Golden Cue, outside of LA. The other guys stakehorse told me he had a spot where we could take off two or three guys I could beat playing one pocket. I went down there and I had beat a couple of them for a few hundred & then matched up with the last guy he said I should play and took him off too. We met back at the Gold Cue to whack it up and he told me he should get a little extra for the last guy. I asked him why? He said "That was my brother". Whether it was true or not, I'll never know, but he did get a little extra jelly. John
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Just a wild guess, but I think if you had gotten beaten by the last guy, he would have gotten a little jelly from him as well :eek:

Southpaw
 
Many years ago someone steered Steve (the Lizard) Smith from Dallas into my pool room and set up a $200 set. The guy that steered him had me clocked very well because he knew me for 10 years at that point, I was kind of pissed that he obviously was in with Mr. Smith but played anyways.

He stalled a bit and I played a little over my head at the end of the match and won 10-8 and to my surprise he pulled up. He had the nuts but I guess he thought he was being double steered even though he wasn't, I just got really lucky and won the last two games with two safeties I pulled out of my butt.
 
Happens all the time, and they don't always lose to just the better players. Even roadies are suceptible to giving up to much weight, or getting in a bad game. Sometimes the game can be right, and they just get killed by the rolls.

There's a road player who comes through town for a few months once every couple of years. Last time he was here I had a chance to get him pretty good, and messed it up royally.

He was stumbling drunk, and giving me a ton of weight. He kept jacking the bet, and I was way ahead. He said he wouldn't play any more unless we adjusted the game, and I was too dumb (and greedy) to leave right then.

We changed the spot, but kept it in my favor, and I won a fair amount more. About 5 hours later, he started to sober up, and the game wasn't so easy anymore. Intstead of quitting, I let him guilt me into playing until closing time, and I ended up losing a good part of his bank roll back to him.

After table time and drinks, I came out few hundred ahead, instead the few thousand I could have left with when he wanted to adjust.
 
JoeyA said:
The bottom line: Should the names of roadplayers be published here on AZ who have shown their willingness to actually gamble rather than steal?
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No, Joey. Name the ones who steal.
 
Glen

A short, black pool player about 50 years old named Glen. Sounds like he might be from Jamaica. Had an unusual accent. Plays pretty good 9 ball but didn't want to play one pocket.

He was traveling with three other fellows during Mardi Gras and shared some largess.
JoeyA
 
I happen to know that Billy Bob cannot play a lick! :D Don't know about that Jones guy though!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

watchez said:
They shouldn't be outted unless they out themselves.

Damage can be done just the same by saying that John Jones won giving Billy Bob the eight just the same if you tell of a spot in which he lost. Both give info into the player's speed.
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I have a lot of respect for players who will make a game knowing there is some real gamble in it.

Martin



JoeyA said:
You know I was thinking about the road players and how everyone thinks that they are stealing. I know everyone doesn't think all of them are stealing but I was wondering if we should OUT the road players who are KNOWN for gambling and known for sometimes leaving THEIR CASH behind.

I can think of a couple of players who have passed through town and have given me and others good gamble and often times, left their own cash behind.

Do you think it is appropriate to "give those guys credit for gambling and leaving their cash behind"?

None of the players that come to mind are suckers. Far from it, but some road players actually give you a chance and was thinking they might deserve some recognition.

What say you?

JoeyA
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jazznpool said:
I have a lot of respect for players who will make a game knowing there is some real gamble in it.

Martin
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That's why I like to give those people a little free press. They deserve some free press so others who might not normally take a chance, may reconsider and take a chance with these courageous souls.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
A short, black pool player about 50 years old named Glen. Sounds like he might be from Jamaica. Had an unusual accent. Plays pretty good 9 ball but didn't want to play one pocket.

He was traveling with three other fellows during Mardi Gras and shared some largess.
JoeyA
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That would be Glen from Trinidad. He lives/lived in Orlando for a while, I've taken him off a few times.
 
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