robert frost and eric densen innocent of all charges...

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Our legal system does not determine if a person is innocent of a crime.It determines if a person is proven guilty or not proven guilty.In many cases there is a big difference between an innocent person and a person found to be not proven guilty.I have no information or comment on this case.I think it is important we all understand how our justice system works.
 
Robert,

All I am saying is that I have known many so called Christians that were as crooked as they come. Just because someone such as Bill or yourself for that matter SAY that they are a Christian does not mean that they are an honorable trustworthy person.

Just as I know many people who do not profess a belief in God and ARE honorable and trustworthy.

:smile:

Russ
 
I read your(Robert Frost) account of what happened. It may not be illegal to do what you did, but it is cheezy at best to try to get(extort???) more money on top of a listed reward for something you had no more right to than anyone else in the world. THEY WEREN'T YOUR CUES!!
 
fair enough russ.....tom when i talked to bill on the phone everything seemed kosher i never told him if he didn't give me money he wouldn't see the cues...i made it clear to him the cues were use less to me being stolen. i understand he may have thought that because apparently this happened to him before...but that want me...and have i known that i would have done things differently..either way we made an agreement and he welched on it by getting out of it by getting the police involved....that's okay...in the end the truth came out.
 
Congrats...

Robert,

We talked and I knew all along you were innocent. I hope this thread gives you some closure. You don't have to worry bout Grassley as he has already been reduced to the size of thimble after the verdict. I know everybody I've discussed this with has had some pretty negative things to say about Cornerstone and he has lost lots of respect amongst his peers in the cue industry. One guy even made me laugh when he said..." Bill Grassley thinks people should go to jail for smoking a joint "...LMAO. :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
GLad it worked out

Bill Grassley is a snake in the grass Karma will catch up to him im sure. :thumbup:
 
RobertFrost said:
that's easy to say when your name wasn't torched like mine was to the billiard community...imagine being asked about it at every tournament you go to and have to explain the whole story every day. cornerstone cues dragged me through the mud. and i didn't say a word the whole time waiting for the judge to rule. anyway I'm done talking about it....thanks
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Well,it was your choice to get involved. If was your choice not to return the stolen cues. It was you choice to take the hard way. Please expain why you did not jump on the $500 reward and end this the first chance you got?
 
RobertFrost said:
in the end the truth came out.
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Really???? Do you still have the cues?

If you don't, then you are guilty in a lot of people's eyes.

A person that accepts or buys stolen goods is just as reprehensible as the crook in a lot of people's eyes. If the shoe fits, you are going to have to wear it no matter what some lame judge says. Our legal system is laughable.

P.S. - Just so you understand my total bitterness; my prize cue was stolen and the low life pawn broker that bought it got to keep it (despite being in possession of tons of other stolen items - I didn't have a receipt - I was a dumb kid).

P.P.S. - If you DO still have the cues I apologize and retract my entire screed.
 
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no i don't have the cues.....when i found out they were stolen i called bill...i told him i had 2500 in both cues of a total value of about 11000...i was taking the cues back to him and receiving 2000 reward and he met me with the police...i was offered 6000 for the bender cue alone but turned it down when i found out they were stolen...point is he was getting the cues back no matter what because they were not mine....he just didn't have to do what he did....he is for sure a snake in the grass....i should have listened to everyone at his home pool room davey ks...they told me he was crooked but i took his word....
 
RobertFrost said:
i want to incert i meant nothing by the christian pandropaga remark because i am very much a christian but some people use it as propaganda in motives for selling goods and services...we see it all the time even in public elections...lol its funny watching guys that never go to church pull up to the church parking lot with a bill board in the back that says elect me! when they are only at church during the elections... :)
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So you are only a good christian if you go to church?

also

Isn't the basis of your christian religion, forgiveness? From this thread I don't think that you have met that on any level.
 
really this is the topics you want to argue about? religion and the fact that i posted again? okay I'm not done with it and no i don't think you have to go to church but i do think it helps...although i don't know why we are talking about it on a pool forum...it takes a personal relationship with jesus christ...it takes every day trying to do the right thing as much as you can...trying to be as much like him as our corrupt flesh will allow...forgive? i have forgiven i am simply stating my innocence as to the results of my defense. he made me sleep on a cold floor for two days and drink powdered milk and liquid eggs for trying to do the right thing...i can forgive but i can not forget and at least warn others of negotiations with him...
 
Robert

I for one want to congratulate you on your total vindication in this affair.

Poor Christian you victimized by the owner of stolen goods, who had the unchristian nerve to call the police and report you when you were performing the christian civil service of returning his good for the small $2500 finders fee. I hope you are going to sue the police for being so stupid as to arrest you when you were in the process of being a good Samaritan.

Is the judge or the authorities looking into pressing charges against bad Bill?
When will the police be returning your property?

Thanks

Kevin
 
JB Cases said:
Finally something not about aiming. Lets get it on about religion and who is the better Christian. That's always good for a nice toasty bonfire. Who has the marshmallows and hotdogs?
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I don't know who is more Christian between the OP and Bill.

But I know I'm more Christian than you because you are in China (Christians are over her in the good ole USA- like me me me).

Kevin
 
RobertFrost said:
really this is the topics you want to argue about? religion and the fact that i posted again? okay I'm not done with it and no i don't think you have to go to church but i do think it helps...although i don't know why we are talking about it on a pool forum...it takes a personal relationship with jesus christ...it takes every day trying to do the right thing as much as you can...trying to be as much like him as our corrupt flesh will allow...forgive? i have forgiven i am simply stating my innocence as to the results of my defense. he made me sleep on a cold floor for two days and drink powdered milk and liquid eggs for trying to do the right thing...i can forgive but i can not forget and at least warn others of negotiations with him...
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Interesting question, but my first guess is the reason people are talking about Christianity here is because you brought it up in your OP. I can think of about a zillion ways you could have worded your OP where nobody would have mentioned Christianity in response at all.

Nice responsibility taking there, but then, considering you blame the victim in this scenario over and over, I can see that maybe responsibility taking is not your strong suit.

Kevin
 
Robert;

It appears that there are some here who know you and are being supportive.

And at the same time you have some detractors.

I don't know you but for what I'm reading here in your thread.

What I take from it is you were gambling with someone who barreled you and ended up settling his $2500 debt with $11k worth of cues. Have I got it right so far?

Did you at this point realize that these two BIG money cues may be stolen, given who you were playing and/or the circumstances by which you were receiving them?

The next point I want to clear up is that when you found out the these cues were stolen from Bill Grassley, why would you think he, a true victim of cue theft, should contribute $2000 - $2500, representing the money you claimed to "have into it"?

Do you honestly think the person who had the cues stolen from him should contribute to your bad judgement of not having posted and getting barreled? Then accepting stolen property as a substitute payment?

You just figured that since Bill was out $11k on the cues, he'd be happy to get them back for $2500.

I believe I would have met you with the police, too.

You made a few poor decisions in this event and you should really think hard about your role in it. You probably first need to be pissed off at yourself for not posting, then at the guy who barreled you, and finally, once again at yourself for trying to get Bill to cover that guys bad debt.

If I got any of the info wrong, please correct me. I tried to piece it together accurately from what was previously posted.

Next t-shirt needing to be printed: "What Would Jesus Do?"

Best,
Brian kc
 
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Williebetmore said:
Really???? Do you still have the cues?

If you don't, then you are guilty in a lot of people's eyes.

A person that accepts or buys stolen goods is just as reprehensible as the crook in a lot of people's eyes. If the shoe fits, you are going to have to wear it no matter what some lame judge says. Our legal system is laughable.

P.S. - Just so you understand my total bitterness; my prize cue was stolen and the low life pawn broker that bought it got to keep it (despite being in possession of tons of other stolen items - I didn't have a receipt - I was a dumb kid).

P.P.S. - If you DO still have the cues I apologize and retract my entire screed.
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Sorry but I just have to say...If you really lost a prize one of a kind cue to a pawn shop and they got to keep it you simply were either stupid, or just completely went about it the wrong way. I have worked in the pawn business for several years now and I can tell you from personal experience if it was really as nice as you are making it sound, if you would have just went to the police departments and gave a good description of the cue and said that it was stolen chances are at least 90% you would have gotten it back. See, pawn shops systems are hard wired to the local police department and every single thing they bring in automatically goes to the police department where at least 1 detective/officer is responsible for working the pawn shops and they will usually make at least 2 trips a week to the pawn shops to check stuff out, and if you gave a good description to them without causing trouble the police would have confiscated it from them at least until the case was closed.
 
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