rule question

wigglybridge

wigglybridge

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2 nights ago, i hooked myself on what was to be my break ball. duh.

the only other remaining ball was up in the kitchen. for practice, i tried (and succeeded) in leaving the cue ball in the rack after sinking the bb.

then i realized i had No idea what happens in this situation. do i have ball in hand in the kitchen, but can't shoot the object ball there? does something get spotted at the top of the table?
 
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Cue Ball spots on the head spot in this case. You can shoot directly at the ball in the kitchen.
 
wait sorry.. can someone differentiate the terms for me? head spot is on the side where you break from and foot spot is where the first ball in the rack goes? so you'd have ball on the head spot and can shoot directly at the ball in the kitchen?
 
jetlau3 said:
wait sorry.. can someone differentiate the terms for me? head spot is on the side where you break from and foot spot is where the first ball in the rack goes? so you'd have ball on the head spot and can shoot directly at the ball in the kitchen?
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Just have to remember, the headspot is the spot your head lands on after you pass out from leaving your opponent a shot after the opening break. :)
 
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Cue ball in rack

Ball in hand behind line. Anything behind the line is not in play or played on until the cueball crosses the line. All of the cueball must cross the line first before a legal play can be made on the ball behind the line.
Nick :)
 
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nick serdula said:
Ball in hand behind line. Anything behind the line is not in play or played on until the cueball crosses the line. All of the cueball must cross the line first before a legal play can be made on the ball behind the line.
Nick :)
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Nick: not sure if you read the question correctly but the original thread stated that the 15th ball was in the "Kitchen" and the cue ball ended up in the Rack.
The correct answer has been given: Cue ball gets spotted on the Head Spot and the player is allowed to shoot at the ball in the Kitchen.
 
d) If only the cue ball interferes, then it is placed as follows: if the object ball is in front of or on the head string, the cue ball is in hand behind the head string; if the object ball is behind the head string, the cue ball is spotted on the head spot, or on the center spot if the head spot is blocked.

http://pool.bz/wpa-bca-rules/3704-world-pool-billiard-rules-play-04-14-1-continuous-pool.html

However, I don't think that was the rule 50 years ago. I remember it the way Nick (the other Nick) does.

Nick
 
nickgeo said:
d) If only the cue ball interferes, then it is placed as follows: if the object ball is in front of or on the head string, the cue ball is in hand behind the head string; if the object ball is behind the head string, the cue ball is spotted on the head spot, or on the center spot if the head spot is blocked.

http://pool.bz/wpa-bca-rules/3704-world-pool-billiard-rules-play-04-14-1-continuous-pool.html

However, I don't think that was the rule 50 years ago. I remember it the way Nick (the other Nick) does.

Nick
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I think the rules until 1980 missed some cases of funny racking situations. I'll try to remember to look in the earlier rule books when I can get to them. Prior to 1980, I think players were dependent on oral tradition for some of the cases such as the one where under the current rules the cue ball spots on the center spot.
 
nick serdula said:
Ball in hand behind line. Anything behind the line is not in play or played on until the cueball crosses the line. All of the cueball must cross the line first before a legal play can be made on the ball behind the line.
Nick :)
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Nick, the ruling you describe applies only after a scratch. But even on a scratch the incoming player gets BIH behind the head string and if all remaining object balls are in the kitchen the player may elect to have to OB closest to the head string spotted. Your rule would only apply if the player still elects to shoot at a ball behind the head string rather than elect to spot a ball and shoot at it.

In the special racking situation mentioned in the OP, your rule does not apply.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think the rules until 1980 missed some cases of funny racking situations. I'll try to remember to look in the earlier rule books when I can get to them. Prior to 1980, I think players were dependent on oral tradition for some of the cases such as the one where under the current rules the cue ball spots on the center spot.
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I was wrong. From the 1945 rule book, which is about as far back as any of us goes:

(Page 51, Interference with Rack, in part)....
If the cue ball interferes with the racking of the fourteen object balls, the following applies:
1. The cue ball is in hand if the break object ball (outside the rack) is not within the head string (between the head string and the head of the table.)
2. If break ball is within the head string, the cue ball is placed on the head spot. (If the break ball rests on the head spot, the cue ball is placed on the center spot.)
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This almost covers it, but the wording is not perfect. In part 2 above, the break ball could be not quite resting on the head spot but still interfering with the spotting of the cue ball. In fact if the object ball is exactly on the head spot, it is playable with ball in hand.
 
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