Rule Question

[MiscueBlues]

What happens if you put the cue ball in a hole and the only remaining balls are in the kitchen? Does the incoming player have to kick to play a good safe?

Also while we're talking rules... when is the last time an official rule was changed and what was it?

 

[Dan White]

What happens if you put the cue ball in a hole and the only remaining balls are in the kitchen? Does the incoming player have to kick to play a good safe?

Also while we're talking rules... when is the last time an official rule was changed and what was it?

The ball closest to the head string can be spotted if the shooter desires. If two balls are equidistant from the head string, the shooter can choose either one. A ball exactly on the head string can be pocketed.

 

[stevekur1]

Of course you can always back-scratch since your opponent is on the 1st foul !!!

We always play the closest ball to the rail gets spotted

Steve

 

[dmgwalsh]

Of course you can always back-scratch since your opponent is on the 1st foul !!!

We always play the closest ball to the rail gets spotted

Steve

Steve:The correct rule is as Dan stated:

1.5 Cue Ball in Hand
...
When the shooter has the cue ball in hand behind the head string and all the legal object balls are behind the head string, he may request the legal object ball nearest the head string to be spotted. If two or more balls are equal distance from the head string, the shooter may designate which of the equidistant balls is to be spotted. An object ball that rests exactly on the head string is playable.

Also while we're talking rules... when is the last time an official rule was changed and what was it?

The rules were changed in 2008. More than one was changed at that time. Take a look if you are curious.

http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp?id=119&pagetype=rules#4.9

One that changed pertaining to straight pool was this one:

4.11 Serious Fouls
For Rule 6.14 Three Consecutive Fouls, only standard fouls are counted, so a breaking foul does not count as one of the three fouls. A point is subtracted for the third foul as usual, and then the additional fifteen-point penalty is subtracted and the offending player’s consecutive foul count is reset to zero. All fifteen balls are re-racked and the offending player is required to shoot under the requirements of the opening break.

Before then, you had an option to take the table as it was if your opponent had three consecutive fouls. That option disappeared in 2008.

Another change was here: 4.6 Spotting Balls
All balls pocketed on fouls, or on safeties, or without a called ball having been pocketed, and all balls driven off the table are spotted. (See 1.4 Spotting Balls.) If the fifteenth ball of a rack needs to be spotted and the fourteen balls have not been touched, the fifteenth ball will spot on the apex spot and the referee may use the triangle to assure a tight rack.

Before the change, when a 15th ball needed to be spotted at the apex of an untouched rack, you were not allowed to use a triangle to assure a tight rack. Now it says the referee MAY use the triangle. I think that means if the shooter wants the triangle used, it should be done.

 

[stevekur1]

Steve:The correct rule is as Dan stated:

1.5 Cue Ball in Hand
...
When the shooter has the cue ball in hand behind the head string and all the legal object balls are behind the head string, he may request the legal object ball nearest the head string to be spotted. If two or more balls are equal distance from the head string, the shooter may designate which of the equidistant balls is to be spotted. An object ball that rests exactly on the head string is playable.




The rules were changed in 2008. More than one was changed at that time. Take a look if you are curious.

http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp?id=119&pagetype=rules#4.9

One that changed pertaining to straight pool was this one:

4.11 Serious Fouls
For Rule 6.14 Three Consecutive Fouls, only standard fouls are counted, so a breaking foul does not count as one of the three fouls. A point is subtracted for the third foul as usual, and then the additional fifteen-point penalty is subtracted and the offending player’s consecutive foul count is reset to zero. All fifteen balls are re-racked and the offending player is required to shoot under the requirements of the opening break.

Before then, you had an option to take the table as it was if your opponent had three consecutive fouls. That option disappeared in 2008.

Another change was here: 4.6 Spotting Balls
All balls pocketed on fouls, or on safeties, or without a called ball having been pocketed, and all balls driven off the table are spotted. (See 1.4 Spotting Balls.) If the fifteenth ball of a rack needs to be spotted and the fourteen balls have not been touched, the fifteenth ball will spot on the apex spot and the referee may use the triangle to assure a tight rack.

Before the change, when a 15th ball needed to be spotted at the apex of an untouched rack, you were not allowed to use a triangle to assure a tight rack. Now it says the referee MAY use the triangle. I think that means if the shooter wants the triangle used, it should be done.

Thanks Dennis !!

I will print out a copy of the rules for all of my league players so we can all be on the same page !!

-Steve

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Before then, you had an option to take the table as it was if your opponent had three consecutive fouls. That option disappeared in 2008. ...

The option was not available before about 1980, either. In the olden days, the third foul always initiated an immediate re-rack.

I think that the 1980(roughly)-2008 option was put in because some sly players would be shooting on two fouls, miss a ball, and then touch the cue ball while still in motion to get the balls racked rather than give up the open table to the opponent. I think the rule change was not necessary when the simple expedient of a horse-whipping followed by a forfeit was available.

 

[alstl]

The option was not available before about 1980, either. In the olden days, the third foul always initiated an immediate re-rack.

I think that the 1980(roughly)-2008 option was put in because some sly players would be shooting on two fouls, miss a ball, and then touch the cue ball while still in motion to get the balls racked rather than give up the open table to the opponent. I think the rule change was not necessary when the simple expedient of a horse-whipping followed by a forfeit was available.

I'm shocked a pool player would thinking of doing something like that.

 

[MiscueBlues]

I'm shocked a pool player would thinking of doing something like that.

Speaking of shady moves... What about the intentional foul where you double hit the cue ball, or better yet just push the cue ball into a rail and freeze it. Like inside a pocket...


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