Yea ........in the new for sale sub-section of the Ask the cuemaker section!
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Yea ........in the new for sale sub-section of the Ask the cuemaker section!
I, for one, very, very very seldom look in the for sale section on this site. I have no desire what so ever to read about some small time dealer, a flipper or a semi-con man trying to sell his wares. I can buy all of the cues and cases or most any other paraphernalia wholesale directly from the distributors I am interested in cue building supplies however and have made a few good deals on this forum in that manner. A couple of weeks ago I scanned the first page of the buy/sell forum and seen something that caught my eye. The next day I went to find it and it was on the fourth page. Selling cue materials or fixtures on the cue machinery forum is fine with me but not on the buy/sell forum.
Dick
That's exactly what I'm talking about......time is money and i don't have time to sit and bump an ad 5 times a day to keep it visible.
Mr. Wilson, isn't this stuff getting a little carried away? What's the big deal? Is anybody ever actually annoyed by a cuemaker offering something up for sale to other cuemakers, or a cuemaker openly asking out loud if somebody has something they want & for how much? Better yet, why would it be wrong for somebody to pop in & ask how much they should expect for some work?
Here's the scenario. I'm Joe Blow pool player. I have a cue with a cracked ferrule & want it fixed. I have no local repairman but I frequent AZB. I ask the cuemaker section if anybody would do the job for me, how much it'll cost & so forth. It would be cool if I didn't get bombarded with PM's to dig through. It would be easier for me to see the interested cuemakers just reply, all in the same thread, and I could make my decision accordingly. I see it happen this way fairly often & think it's a really neat thing. But now you are saying nobody should be doing this & that it should be private? I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you on that one. What's the point of a PUBLIC forum if it's going to be forced private? Our own "sales buys & services" section would be a good compromise.
Another scenario is the threads that a builder has up right now. He's selling joint pins & incomplete butts to other cuemakers, basically dumping some stuff he has no intention of using, which another cuemaker may use find very useful. In fact, he apparently was able to barter with another cue guy by swapping supplies for tools. That's very cool. A win win for both guys & nobody got offended by it. Nobody's here selling cues to the public. What's the problem? I personally like looking at other cuemakers' stuff for sale as much as I do conversating with them about cuemaking. For real, who actually finds this offensive to the point you have to make rules against it? Exactly what is it you are attempting to achieve here?
Obviously a lot of us heavily disagree with what you are ruling. It would be really cool of you to maybe consider other options, possibly options that have been suggested already. Just some thoughts....
Here's the scenario. I'm Joe Blow pool player. I have a cue with a cracked ferrule & want it fixed. I have no local repairman but I frequent AZB. I ask the cuemaker section if anybody would do the job for me, how much it'll cost & so forth. It would be cool if I didn't get bombarded with PM's to dig through. It would be easier for me to see the interested cuemakers just reply, all in the same thread, and I could make my decision accordingly. I see it happen this way fairly often & think it's a really neat thing. But now you are saying nobody should be doing this & that it should be private? I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you on that one. What's the point of a PUBLIC forum if it's going to be forced private? Our own "sales buys & services" section would be a good compromise.
Another scenario is the threads that a builder has up right now. He's selling joint pins & incomplete butts to other cuemakers, basically dumping some stuff he has no intention of using, which another cuemaker may use find very useful. In fact, he apparently was able to barter with another cue guy by swapping supplies for tools. That's very cool. A win win for both guys & nobody got offended by it. Nobody's here selling cues to the public. What's the problem? I personally like looking at other cuemakers' stuff for sale as much as I do conversating with them about cuemaking. For real, who actually finds this offensive to the point you have to make rules against it? Exactly what is it you are attempting to achieve here?
Obviously a lot of us heavily disagree with what you are ruling. It would be really cool of you to maybe consider other options, possibly options that have been suggested already. Just some thoughts....
So you have seen my neighbors wife then.
It would be nice to have a machinery / equipment for sale thread,which we already have,that seperates for sale items versus machinery problems or new techniques.
I also think it is not good that people post something for sale when it is not even made or ready yet, or no price.It seems very frustrating that something you may be interested in really is not for sale yet.
There are some good suggestions, especially about repair work or prices to fix something being in a PM.
Neil
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So what gives YOU the right to post your ads in the wrong forum? What's to keep everyone else from doing the same?
Honest mistake Shells......all the tactical warfare and deciding who needs to do what and where and when was ongoing when I just posted the couple items I have to sell. If it bothers you that much I can ask for it to be moved to location of your choice if that would make you a happier camper?
Personally, I never knew it bothered anyone as much as I've found out in the last 24 hrs. I always looked at this section as OUR section and haven't seen anyone give much of a second look on things like that till just lately.
Must be that time of the month for some............
If it makes you feel any better about yourself, It won't happen again from me.
I think it's all very much like the Goverment... The more you ask the officals to police the area to make it a certain way, there tends to be fallout. It was argued and pushed by certain people that this was the 'Ask the Cuemaker" section, so it was granted and outlined in a sticky, as asked, and now, Mr. Wilson has to enforce that this be an 'ask a question' format, not a 'sell something' format. Not trying to provoke, but I have to agree with Wilson on this. If it's to be a focused section, with only certain people responding, etc. then that's what it has to be. Now with that said, I do support a separate 'sell cuemaker stuff' section, or something along those lines. The 'for sale' section is worst then Walmart after thanksgiving day.
I personally like to be able to view items for cuemaking for sale in this area, whether it be a sub-section, or the machinery section. I don't go to the 'for sale/wanted' section for the same reasons as already stated by others.
I think some people should back off on the more hostile sounding posts, as this is a developing issue, and needs some civil discussion to seek a workable solution, and those kinds of posts are of no value and not permitted under the new rules (just read the sticky)
JMO,
Dave
I personally like to be able to view items for cuemaking for sale in this area, whether it be a sub-section, or the machinery section. I don't go to the 'for sale/wanted' section for the same reasons as already stated by others.
I think some people should back off on the more hostile sounding posts, as this is a developing issue, and needs some civil discussion to seek a workable solution, and those kinds of posts are of no value and not permitted under the new rules (just read the sticky)
JMO,
Dave
I'm not bothered. :wink: Just stating my opinion, and what seems fair.
I think a cuemaker's supply forum would be good, the idea of using the machinery thread works, in my opinion.
Change it to "Cue Making Supplies and Machinery". Then people could post all the ads they want, and the "Ask the Cuemaker" section could be for that specific purpose.
It's all good..........
EXACTLY!!
good lord, if somebody doesnt like something they see on here, so what
skip it, ignore it, move on to another thread
take the good with the bad
be grateful this forum even exists
i've met so many nice people and good friends on here,
i just try my best to overlook the negatives
it aint worth getting bent outta shape about
heard a song once upon a time
> cant please everyone, so you got to please yourself<
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how bout everything stays the same and you just accept it:thumbup:
I was gonna offer Titleist blanks for $100 each.
Don't pm me . I've canned the plan.
Don't pm me . I've canned the plan.
Seems to me that we can already. Simple putting things for sale in the Machinery section seems to do that. As was just stated, the rules were defined to make the Ask the Cuemaker just that, not as a sales forum. I agree about not wanting or having the time to go through the whole For Sale section every day. But the same can happen in the Ask the Cuemaker section at times. A thread can be pushed to the next page in a hurry some days. The Machinery section seems to go much slower and it hardly seems a stretch to include wood or pins or whatever along with lathe parts or leather wrap fixtures.
I for one have complained to Wilson about cuemakers selling in the Gallery as it seems to go against the intent. He said there was no specifics for posting so it was OK. I think it's like watching a couple kiss in public - Get A Room. Although it is fun to be a voyeur at times I for one don't want to watch you sell your unfinished cues, sometimes not even started cues but bare wood on the cue forum. If I want to see what you have than I will go to your website and look. We all use this forum as a way to get seen, to make sales and to just get in the public eye. If we all posted wood or just started cues then how long would you have to spend making sure it got bumped so it could be seen. The For Sale section seems to be the right place to try and make these sales but maybe that's just me.
I for one have complained to Wilson about cuemakers selling in the Gallery as it seems to go against the intent. He said there was no specifics for posting so it was OK. I think it's like watching a couple kiss in public - Get A Room. Although it is fun to be a voyeur at times I for one don't want to watch you sell your unfinished cues, sometimes not even started cues but bare wood on the cue forum. If I want to see what you have than I will go to your website and look. We all use this forum as a way to get seen, to make sales and to just get in the public eye. If we all posted wood or just started cues then how long would you have to spend making sure it got bumped so it could be seen. The For Sale section seems to be the right place to try and make these sales but maybe that's just me.
I think there has been some positive dialog in this thread but a couple of things still puzzle me....
1. What's the big deal about posting a price when answering a question? My prices are all posted online and in 2 million catalogs a year. If I post a price publically and someone goes behind my back in a PM saying he'll do it for my less than my price to undercut me, that shows you what kind of person you are dealing with.
2. Sounds like the problem is in the "wanted/for sale" section and not in the "ask a cuemaker." Why not limit the number of bumps and the timeframe in which you can bump?
3. Some people are never happy.
4. Why stop there? Those damn case makers are posting in the cue gallery.....:angry:
<~~~#4 is, again, sarcasm in surplus...
1. What's the big deal about posting a price when answering a question? My prices are all posted online and in 2 million catalogs a year. If I post a price publically and someone goes behind my back in a PM saying he'll do it for my less than my price to undercut me, that shows you what kind of person you are dealing with.
2. Sounds like the problem is in the "wanted/for sale" section and not in the "ask a cuemaker." Why not limit the number of bumps and the timeframe in which you can bump?
3. Some people are never happy.
4. Why stop there? Those damn case makers are posting in the cue gallery.....:angry:
<~~~#4 is, again, sarcasm in surplus...
not being much of a computer guru,
(actually i am computerly challenged :grin
i dont know how much work is involved in creating new forums and whatnot
but let's not forget that the guys that run this forum have real jobs, families, etc.
my guess is they dont have enough spare time as it is now, to monitor all this stuff
thier vision of az when started wasnt that it be a full time pain in the ass
i dunno, maybe mr wilson and mike could use a helping hand from somebody???
brenster> doesnt qualify :wink: and thinks, "if it aint broke, dont fix it"
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I though that was how we all communicated with each other....grunt, grunt, snort, snort!
OK I won't.....I'll ask you here to send them all to me with an invoice and I'll put the check in the mail.
Easy fix would be just change the sub title in that category.
Let me start by saying that I, never in life would make a post selling anything on these forums. No finished cues, no partially finished cues, no materials, no machinery and I never beg for commissions on cues nor repair work and when contacted I turn down most. I do sometimes make a few purchases however. That is one of the benefits of monitoring this forum. A few months ago there was a couple of days of arguing over on the machining forum over pricing of items for sale and others stating where those same items could be found cheaper. If I remember correctly it was settled and the actual header of the forum was changed slightly so as to accommodate these postings and it was determined at that time that cue building supplies would be listed on that forum. I, myself, am of the opinion that the ones who don't want prices posted any more than possible are retailers, who have web-sites or advertising of their products and don't want lower prices posted. That's the way it is in the buy/sell forum. You're not supposed to let people know if they are being gouged over a product being up for sale, which I believe is a ludicrous policy myself. AZ is a privately owned group of moderated forums so, as guests, we must follow their rules no matter what our feelings are concerning them but I believe most of the rules have been implemented because of requests by individuals with a little pull. As of right now there is nothing stated on the machinery forum saying that materials can't be posted for sale and I think that would be a great place to list such items as long as that policy isn't changed.
Dick
Dick
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