Rule update

Seems to me that we can already. Simple putting things for sale in the Machinery section seems to do that. As was just stated, the rules were defined to make the Ask the Cuemaker just that, not as a sales forum. I agree about not wanting or having the time to go through the whole For Sale section every day. But the same can happen in the Ask the Cuemaker section at times. A thread can be pushed to the next page in a hurry some days. The Machinery section seems to go much slower and it hardly seems a stretch to include wood or pins or whatever along with lathe parts or leather wrap fixtures.
I for one have complained to Wilson about cuemakers selling in the Gallery as it seems to go against the intent. He said there was no specifics for posting so it was OK. I think it's like watching a couple kiss in public - Get A Room. Although it is fun to be a voyeur at times I for one don't want to watch you sell your unfinished cues, sometimes not even started cues but bare wood on the cue forum. If I want to see what you have than I will go to your website and look. We all use this forum as a way to get seen, to make sales and to just get in the public eye. If we all posted wood or just started cues then how long would you have to spend making sure it got bumped so it could be seen. The For Sale section seems to be the right place to try and make these sales but maybe that's just me.

Let me get this straight. Basically, you get offended if somebody shows an unfinished cue in the CUE GALLERY. You get offended if somebody shows a beautiful peice of wood & asks if anybody would like a cue from it. You get offended when a cuemaker enters the "ask the cuemaker" forum & asks if any cuemaker wants to buy his surplus materials. You get offended when somebody comes into the ask the cuemaker forum asking for help & a cuemaker responds with a fix & how much that fix will cost. You actually care so much about this petty crap that you privately contact the mods, requesting a change. And you believe every cuemaker here is here to be seen, make sales & get in the public eye.

Is this a good summary of your point? It sure seems to be, and I hope it's not.
 
Here is an idea... suggestion, which I offered several months ago. "Make the Wanted/For Sale forum a Classified section with different areas(classifications) ie; Cues, Tables, etc including Repair Services, Parts, Machinery or whatever. Just an Idea???

More sections?
:eek:
I say just put cuemaker related items in the machinery section.
That section doesn't get much traffic anyway.
 
It would appear that Ask the Cuemaker is being defined as strictly a Q&A or information forum, and that does make a certain amount of sense. In an effort to maintain a pristine or unpolluted environment to that end it would appear that hawking one’s wares doesn’t fit the equation. Sounds like a good enough idea to me, but…

I realize I’m just a small cog in a very large wheel, and since I’m pretty much just a hobbyist, my input won’t be considered to carry any weight compared to “real” cuemakers, but I for one rarely go to the For Sale/Wanted section if at all. Talk about all over the place, man, that place would be a mess if all you wanted to find was cuemaking supplies. There’s more bumping going on over there than the Bunny Ranch on payday.
To suggest that all cuemaking supplies and related sundries be listed there will likely mean the end of what compels me to visit this forum in the first place. Since I’ve joined I don’t think I’ve posted anywhere but the Ask the Cuemaker and Cue Machinery forums. That’s the only reason I joined the forum anyway.

I’m not sure what transpired to lead to the latest rule change, but I do agree that we should have a separate Cue Machinery and Supplies For Sale/Wanted forum (kind of thought we did already) if the sales threads are to be persona non grata here. Really, it makes perfect sense to me, but again, see the above mentioned small cog statement. If not, then good luck to those trying to sell shaftwood and tailstocks.

While I understand for certain conversations to be held in private, I’d really hate to see the whole pricing issue go private as well. That doesn’t make any sense to me. Where else can you have a conversation about buying an Ivory ferrule as well as the steps to take installing it? Two threads in two separate forums? Sounds like a step backward to me, but then again it’s not my forum and that whole small cog/wheel thing. Because of this rule, there is going to be so much more cross-posting, which will increase the loss of bandwidth even more, or everyone will just start posted links to their website, which will lead people away from this forum. Both of those don’t sound like very good ideas to me, but you know, cog/wheel.

The simple solution would be to add a sub-forum, maybe looking a little something like this:

Forum ID:
-CUES

Sub-forums:
-Cue Machinery - (Discussion Q&A)
-Cue Reviews
-Cue Gallery
-Ask the Cuemaker – (Discussion Q&A)
-For Sale/Wanted - Cue Machinery/Cue Making Supplies

Seems like a logical evolution. I wouldn’t imagine it to be too difficult to implement, but just my opinion.

Frank
 
There’s more bumping going on over there than the Bunny Ranch on payday.
that's the best line i've read on az lately:rotflmao:
 
I did not contact the mod requesting a rule change. I contacted Wilson to ask if hawking a bare piece of wood in the Cue Gallery section was the intent of the section. I was told that there were no set guidelines there for is was OK. I posted nothing further about it until this thread, where we all see to be voicing our opinions about how this should work. That this offends your sensibility or that you think I am out of line I regret.
As for cuemakers hawking material, it was Dick that started the changes that brought about the rule changes. Now that they have changed and seem to be being moderated, as most wished, some are getting their panties in a knot.
As for pricing being discussed, it neither offends or please me, so once again don't read more into it than there is. People asked for a rule change. Wilson gave it to them. Then he moderated the section and made a statement. That there is all this BS now seems silly. But some don't seem to want to abide by this. So, I guess what offends me is the whining, instead of offering a suggestion, such as some, including myself, have made to make the Machinery section a Machinery/Parts/Wood/whatever for sale section. It is the least amount of work for the mods to accomodate. Most cuemakers already read that section anyway and for those that don't like to give away their sources for things it is a section that most players probably avoid.
As for the last part, yes and no. This forum is a place to spread and gather information. If that was all it was then no one would have their company name, email, phone number and whatever else at the end of each post. So yes, I see it as a place where people want to be seen. That neither offends or pleases me either.
I hope this explains my position for you.
 
The only whining I see is crying because a cuemaker posted a picture of wood in the gallery & asked if anybody wanted a cue from it, or somebody saying that all the sales are like a couple kissing in public.

Clearly, the trouble with any sales in the section lie with a couple of people who are less than honest and are annoying. Only two names come to mind with that. It would be easier to moderate a couple of people than to moderate an entire group. What's happening here is ruling that dictates the actions of an entire group of rule abiding people in order to attempt regulating a couple that do not abide by rules. That's wrong any way you slice it.

My opinion is there are too many rules already & nobody can possibly memorize & aknowledge all of them, no matter if they are posted in sticky notes at the top of each page or not. Why complicate things? The basic general forum rules of conduct should apply to all sub forums & that's all. This is an online forum where people interact, conversate, buy, sell, trade, etc. It's not a civilization or government.
 
Haven't we always rid the eddie's from the section ourselves? Now we need government to step in and do a job we have been doing ourselves?
 
The simple solution would be to add a sub-forum, maybe looking a little something like this:

Forum ID:
-CUES

Sub-forums:
-Cue Machinery - (Discussion Q&A)
-Cue Reviews
-Cue Gallery
-Ask the Cuemaker – (Discussion Q&A)
-For Sale/Wanted - Cue Machinery/Cue Making Supplies

Seems like a logical evolution. I wouldn’t imagine it to be too difficult to implement, but just my opinion.

Frank

This gets my vote.
 
As for cuemakers hawking material, it was Dick that started the changes that brought about the rule changes. Now that they have changed and seem to be being moderated, as most wished, some are getting their panties in a knot.

Wow! Did Dick see that bus coming? How's the view from under it?

I believe Dick was referring to non-cue makers answering questions in the "ask a cuemaker" section. The changes were made and a sticky posted. Since then, I have witnessed no real change. Bad advice does more damage to cue makers and this forum than do a cue makers selling parts in the "asking" section.



<~~~bickering in this thread does not help either........
 
I did not contact the mod requesting a rule change. I contacted Wilson to ask if hawking a bare piece of wood in the Cue Gallery section was the intent of the section. I was told that there were no set guidelines there for is was OK. I posted nothing further about it until this thread, where we all see to be voicing our opinions about how this should work. That this offends your sensibility or that you think I am out of line I regret.
As for cuemakers hawking material, it was Dick that started the changes that brought about the rule changes. Now that they have changed and seem to be being moderated, as most wished, some are getting their panties in a knot.
As for pricing being discussed, it neither offends or please me, so once again don't read more into it than there is. People asked for a rule change. Wilson gave it to them. Then he moderated the section and made a statement. That there is all this BS now seems silly. But some don't seem to want to abide by this. So, I guess what offends me is the whining, instead of offering a suggestion, such as some, including myself, have made to make the Machinery section a Machinery/Parts/Wood/whatever for sale section. It is the least amount of work for the mods to accomodate. Most cuemakers already read that section anyway and for those that don't like to give away their sources for things it is a section that most players probably avoid.
As for the last part, yes and no. This forum is a place to spread and gather information. If that was all it was then no one would have their company name, email, phone number and whatever else at the end of each post. So yes, I see it as a place where people want to be seen. That neither offends or pleases me either.
I hope this explains my position for you.

Hey pal, people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. You accused me more than once of putting words in your mouth. Now you are certainly putting words in my mouth and making unsubstantiated claims against me. You've done this before as you seem to be able to read into something that clearly is not there, but, in your own mind only. Point to where I caused items not to be sold on this forum anymore? Point where I have ever mentioned anything about sales period on this forum. How did you come to the conclusion that I caused it? Just why may I ask did you even contact the mods over these sales? Jealous that they weren't purchasing your wood maybe.

Dick
 
I might be sticking my nose where it doesnt belong but....If I read the new rule correctly I can ask for tip, shaft, ect. ect work but he would like the prices PM to me and if a CM is offering wood, pins, tips ect. ect. its OK but the price's should be discussed in private not in open form. Again I am not a CM but I do ask questions from time to time.
 
I for one read and attempt to understand all sections on the forum. Any of you who don't I think you might be missing out.

Ideally the Wanted/ For sale should be divided into subsections IMO

Raffles
Wanted /For Sale Cues
Wanted /For Sale Cases
Wanted /For Sale Machinery/Parts/Tooling
Wanted/ For Sale Cue Parts
Other

Matt

Don't think it will happen
 
Heck, while we are at it, why don't we just make a new forum for each individual member? If i'm interested in anything Dick has to say or do or sell then i'll go check out the RHN section of AZB. No pun intended, Dick, just using your username as an example :)

Being sarcastic but hey, this all really is pointless. Again, what was ever wrong in the first place, or does anybody actually know?
 
To Dick and others. In no way did I suggest that Dick had anything to do with the discussion about listing prices. So, go back and read it again. I said that Dick started the discussion that led to the rule changes. So, don't put words in my mouth either.
 
To Dick and others. In no way did I suggest that Dick had anything to do with the discussion about listing prices. So, go back and read it again. I said that Dick started the discussion that led to the rule changes. So, don't put words in my mouth either.

Well then let's clarify this, "Just what does changing rules over slamming of cue makers have any iota of a semblance of changing rules for selling?" Is there some connection between these two events that I am not aware Of? Maybe if it rains tomorrow in Bangkok that's my fault also in your to fertile imagination.

Dick
 
I don't know, Dick. I suppose you should be asking Mr Wilson that, not me, since he was the one that changed the rules. And, if you read my posts again you might see that I never contacted Mr Wilson about any selling in Ask the Cuemaker as you just stated. So, instead of making noises at me, telling me that maybe I am jealous of something you should read a bit more carefully.
Thanks, Bob
 
I for one read and attempt to understand all sections on the forum. Any of you who don't I think you might be missing out.

Ideally the Wanted/ For sale should be divided into subsections IMO

Raffles
Wanted /For Sale Cues
Wanted /For Sale Cases
Wanted /For Sale Machinery/Parts/Tooling
Wanted/ For Sale Cue Parts
Other

Matt

Don't think it will happen
I agree with you that these should be the forums available. I primarily look at cases and have to sort through cue after cue for sale. It would be so much better if I could go to a more specific forum.
 
touch up points

hey guys, i have a cue with a small void..................nah,just kiddin
 
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