RULE: You're on TWO!

JoeyA

JoeyA

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I was watching a video on another forum and an interview in which they were discussing the rule of THREE Fouls and loss of game which was in effect.

My question is: Is it correct that you must tell your opponent that he is on two when it his turn at the table ONLY?

If you tell him he is on two when it is YOUR TURN, it as if you did not tell him he was on two at all?

Hope this makes sense but I wanted to make sure of this rule before I get into trouble with another player.

JoeyA
 
The rule is stated that you must warn your opponent as they approach the table for what could be the third foul. A lot of players warn an opponent when they leave the table after committing the second foul. This isn't technically correct but seems to be the norm.
 
Hey Joey-

I have always felt it is best to make sure the other playeer knows he is on two - and make sure he acknowledges it. I usually tell him just after I have relinquished the table.

That eliminates any arguments. Some peple take a three foul a little too hard.

mark griffin
 
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I usually tell them right after the second foul, that way if they forget while I am at the table, I have already told them.



5.13 THREE CONSECUTIVE FOULS
If a player fouls three consecutive times on three successive shots without making an intervening legal shot, the game is lost. The three fouls must occur in one game. The warning must be given between the second and third fouls. A player?s inning begins when it is legal to take a shot and ends at the end of a shot on which he misses, fouls or wins, or when he fouls between shots.
 
Poolhalljunkie said:
I usually tell them right after the second foul, that way if they forget while I am at the table, I have already told them.



5.13 THREE CONSECUTIVE FOULS
If a player fouls three consecutive times on three successive shots without making an intervening legal shot, the game is lost. The three fouls must occur in one game. The warning must be given between the second and third fouls. A player?s inning begins when it is legal to take a shot and ends at the end of a shot on which he misses, fouls or wins, or when he fouls between shots.
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This is the rule I remember reading once upon a time. The bold highlighted text above indicates that you may warn the opponent anytime between the second and third fouls.

Is this the way you interpret the rule?
JoeyA
 
Chris_Lynch said:
The rule is stated that you must warn your opponent as they approach the table for what could be the third foul. A lot of players warn an opponent when they leave the table after committing the second foul. This isn't technically correct but seems to be the norm.
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Where is this rule stated that you quote from?
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
This is the rule I remember reading once upon a time. The bold highlighted text above indicates that you may warn the opponent anytime between the second and third fouls.

Is this the way you interpret the rule?
JoeyA
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This is how I've always played it. I warn them as they leave the table from making the second foul. As some one else mentioned, I make them acknowledge me, always.

I've never had any issues outside of the guys who get irritated when you start playing "dodge pool."

By the way, I love those guys... Putting them on two fouls once might win you the set. Love that. I always think, "If you were any better at playing safe, I bet you wouldn't hate it so much."
 
Mark Griffin said:
Hey Joey-

I have always felt it is best to make sure the other playeer knows he is on two - and make sure he acknowledges it. I usually tell him just after I have relinquished the table.

That eliminates any arguments. Some peple take a three foul a little too hard.

mark griffin
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You are always a gentleman Mark.


Still I would like to know which is the PRECISE rule and it's interpretation.

I have been told that it is necessary to warn your opponent that he is on two, WHEN IT BECOMES HIS TURN and that is the only time that the warning is valid. However, that is not what I read in the rule posted in this thread.

JoeyA
 
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Joey,

Seems to me that this is the rule somewhere too. I read all the rules a couple years ago trying to sort out all of the alphabet soup rules so I don't know if that was WPA, BCA, APA or what. I don't know if the rule has changed either. Also it might have applied to one game. It makes more sense for 14.1 than nine ball for example.

Hu


JoeyA said:
You are always a gentleman Mark.


Still I would like to know which is the PRECISE rule and it's interpretation.

I have been told that it is necessary to warn your opponent that he is on two, WHEN IT BECOMES HIS TURN and that is the only time that the warning is valid. However, that is not what I read in the rule posted in this thread.

JoeyA
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ShootingArts said:
Joey,

Seems to me that this is the rule somewhere too. I read all the rules a couple years ago trying to sort out all of the alphabet soup rules so I don't know if that was WPA, BCA, APA or what. I don't know if the rule has changed either. Also it might have applied to one game. It makes more sense for 14.1 than nine ball for example.

Hu
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Hu,
Does anyone have any rules to reference that state that you must warn the person that they are on two, when they return to the table?

Thanks,
JoeyA
 
5.13 THREE CONSECUTIVE FOULS
If a player fouls three consecutive times on three successive shots without making an intervening legal shot, the game is lost. The three fouls must occur in one game. The warning must be given between the second and third fouls. A player?s inning begins when it is legal to take a shot and ends at the end of a shot on which he misses, fouls or wins, or when he fouls between shots.
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JoeyA:
This is the rule I remember reading once upon a time.
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It's from the current World Standardized Rules.

The bold highlighted text above indicates that you may warn the opponent anytime between the second and third fouls.

Is this the way you interpret the rule?
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I think it would be overkill to be more specific than that in the rule, but it would be a courtesy to the player to warn him just before he starts his inning.

pj
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Hu:
Seems to me that this is the rule somewhere too. I read all the rules a couple years ago trying to sort out all of the alphabet soup rules so I don't know if that was WPA, BCA, APA or what. I don't know if the rule has changed either. Also it might have applied to one game. It makes more sense for 14.1 than nine ball for example.
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I agree it would make more sense for 14.1 (since so much time can pass between innings). However, the World Standardized Rules for 14.1 don't have the same notice requirement. In 14.1 "a notation is made and posted by the scorer" (see rule 6.12 here).

I'm not familiar with other rulesets.

pj
chgo
 
JoeyA said:
I was watching a video on another forum and an interview in which they were discussing the rule of THREE Fouls and loss of game which was in effect.

My question is: Is it correct that you must tell your opponent that he is on two when it his turn at the table ONLY?

If you tell him he is on two when it is YOUR TURN, it as if you did not tell him he was on two at all?

Hope this makes sense but I wanted to make sure of this rule before I get into trouble with another player.

JoeyA
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It is unfortunate that people continue to quote obsolete rule sets and that some web sites have not purged those rules. The time of the warning was changed in January 2008. My preference is to warn the player when the third foul occurs and warn him again as he comes back to the table. The first prevents a later, delayed discussion, and the second is now required by the rules, even if the two warnings are only 20 seconds apart. Here is the current rule:

6.14 Three Consecutive Fouls
If a player fouls three times without making an intervening legal shot, it is a serious foul. In games scored by the rack, such as nine ball, the fouls must be in a single rack. Some games such as eight ball do not include this rule.
The referee must warn a shooter who is on two fouls when he comes to the table that he is on two fouls. Otherwise a possible third foul will be considered to be only the second.​
 
Read it somewhere

JoeyA said:
Hu,
Does anyone have any rules to reference that state that you must warn the person that they are on two, when they return to the table?

Thanks,
JoeyA
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Joey,

I did read somewhere that you had to warn the player at the beginning of their turn at the table but that was several years ago. I tried to check the rules including Texas Express but my old links are bad. I checked in the rules section of the 99 critical shots of pool book and found nothing.

This is one of those splitting hairs things in any of the common games except 14.1. I think when someone makes that claim I'd make them prove it by producing a rule book. Even if I saw it a few years ago the rule might not be in effect still. Anybody here know the rules better than Bob Jewett? He might be the guy to ask.

Edit: Cancel that about asking Bob!(grin)

Hu
 
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Bob:
It is unfortunate that people continue to quote obsolete rule sets and that some web sites have not purged those rules.
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So the BCA's online "World Standardized Rules" aren't the same as the WPA's online "World Standardized Rules"? "Unfortunate" is the polite word for it.

Sorry for quoting the wrong one.

pj
chgo
 
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Bob Jewett said:
It is unfortunate that people continue to quote obsolete rule sets and that some web sites have not purged those rules. The time of the warning was changed in January 2008. My preference is to warn the player when the third foul occurs and warn him again as he comes back to the table. The first prevents a later, delayed discussion, and the second is now required by the rules, even if the two warnings are only 20 seconds apart. Here is the current rule:

6.14 Three Consecutive Fouls
If a player fouls three times without making an intervening legal shot, it is a serious foul. In games scored by the rack, such as nine ball, the fouls must be in a single rack. Some games such as eight ball do not include this rule.
The referee must warn a shooter who is on two fouls when he comes to the table that he is on two fouls. Otherwise a possible third foul will be considered to be only the second.​
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So what is the penalty for a serious foul?
 
Bob Jewett said:
It is unfortunate that people continue to quote obsolete rule sets and that some web sites have not purged those rules. The time of the warning was changed in January 2008. My preference is to warn the player when the third foul occurs and warn him again as he comes back to the table. The first prevents a later, delayed discussion, and the second is now required by the rules, even if the two warnings are only 20 seconds apart. Here is the current rule:

6.14 Three Consecutive Fouls
If a player fouls three times without making an intervening legal shot, it is a serious foul. In games scored by the rack, such as nine ball, the fouls must be in a single rack. Some games such as eight ball do not include this rule.
The referee must warn a shooter who is on two fouls when he comes to the table that he is on two fouls. Otherwise a possible third foul will be considered to be only the second.​
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Often there are different rules between tournament rules where there is a referee and normal game rules where there is not one. This ruling that you just cited, is that just when there is a referee or at all times? Also what is the penalty for a "serious foul"?

Dick
 
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