Ruling body to launch inquiry after allegations of match-fixing

[crawfish]

Good point!

Some folks think gambling, hustling, action, et cetera, is pool's dirty little secret and is what is keeping pool in the duldrums. :frown:

Yet, go to the DCC or SBE, and look at how many folks are watching the action tables, as opposed to the tournament tables.

This is how mainstream Americans look at pool, a bunch of rough-looking dog hustlers playing pool in "Cat Sucks Saloon."

Professional pool doesn't have a chance, as long as pool is viewed like this by mainstream press. Yet, it's the gambling factor that seems to be the big attraction for some. It's a Catch-22 in play here.

Why thanks. Glad someone understands what I was trying to say.

For all of you out there...... a hypothetical situation.

You have ten grand in your pocket. A very large bookie is booking the matches and taking all action. Unlimited pockets. You happen to find out I shit my way into the finals. Me and Player A to play for it. The race is to nine. The line is I will or won't seven.

You are standing by the bathroom door and you hear Player A tell me that he just bet I'd seven. Get it?

Now, how long did it take you to get to the bookie?

Liar.

 

[watchez]

Why thanks. Glad someone understands what I was trying to say.

For all of you out there...... a hypothetical situation.

You have ten grand in your pocket. A very large bookie is booking the matches and taking all action. Unlimited pockets. You happen to find out I shit my way into the finals. Me and Player A to play for it. The race is to nine. The line is I will or won't seven.

You are standing by the bathroom door and you hear Player A tell me that he just bet I'd seven. Get it?

Now, how long did it take you to get to the bookie?

Liar.

About 30 seconds and.....
Hopefully the bookie is a friend of mine so I know who he is in the room and I can warn him of the dump that is about to happen.

 

[crawfish]

About 30 seconds and.....
Hopefully the bookie is a friend of mine so I know who he is in the room and I can warn him of the dump that is about to happen.

Hey, you know my point.

 

[justnum]

For players to act as suspiciously really demonstrates their creativity. I really wish I could see more of that in the schools I've worked in.

If these players could show others how to be creative it would have a monumental impact on their lives.

Those players should consider teaching(coaching) as an alternative career.

 

[chamillionare]

When you posed your $100K dumping question, everyone understood that you were inferring that you surely would be first in line.

Tell us then - when you did dump a match, how much did you make?

You don't have any intention of playing again because you can't -

Quinten Hann has been found guilty of breaking rules governing match-fixing and handed an eight-year snooker ban.

The World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association acted after Hann met undercover journalists in 2005.

A disciplinary panel decided that he had "knowingly entered in an agreement to join in an unlawful enterprise to fix results for financial gain."
Hann, who on Tuesday retired from snooker, had denied the charge in a letter, but was also fined ?10,000.

The story that sparked the investigation, published in The Sun newspaper last year, alleged that Hann had agreed to lose a game at the China Open in return for money.

The panel was shown transcripts and video and audio footage of the meetings which took place between Hann and the journalists in March and April 2005.

Hann had informed panel members in advance that he would not be attending Friday's hearing.

The newspaper did not go through with any agreement with Hann, but just by agreeing to lose, he was in breach of rule 2.8.

That states "a member shall not directly or indirectly solicit, attempt to solicit or accept any payment or any form of remuneration of benefit in exchange for influencing the outcome of any game of snooker or billiards."

The playing ban is purely academic following the Australian's decision to quit the sport on Tuesday.

It marks an undignified end to the career of a player of undoubted talent who has been dogged by disciplinary problems both inside and outside the playing arena.

He freely admitted turning up to play at the 2005 World Championships with a hangover, was happy to admit he did not practice and challenged Andy Hicks to a fight after their 2004 game at the Crucible.

You didn't show up for the hearing? In the USA, we call that taking the fifth.

Your actions and exit from pool is kinda like the McDonald's worker that gets fired but yells back at his boss, you can't fire me because I quit.

wow you can google so you think that tells you the full story if i wanted to defend myself i would never have got banned worse case bringing game into disrupute 6 months max that is solicitors verdict as i had solid defence which no one knows because i just chose to end an ugly chapter of my life. so 35k solicitors fee's and then i can continue on a tour with no money. when 6 months earlier id already told everyone i was only playing the world title next year as id had enough. in hindsight the ban was the best thing to ever happen to me as all i did was complain about the game.

as for playing iv been invited to lots of pool tournaments last few years, if there is ipt type tournaments id play not really for the money but because i wouldnt feel like im totally wasting my time, its not rocket science i make more money now with no hassles than when i played snooker. even when i was making 200k a year at snooker i still hated playing and would not practise i dont like the game and i never kept it a secret

i cant tell you about match fixing $ but the fight with the snooker player made me 40k plus more money from tabloid stories. then another 25k with an irish footballer and i had more fun with that than any snooker tourny. i soold my ferrari v12 merc and million dollor apartment in london and moved back into my mansion in australia so why would i want to play anymore i dont need to


you are a wanker watchez

 

[crawfish]

wow you can google so you think that tells you the full story if i wanted to defend myself i would never have got banned worse case bringing game into disrupute 6 months max that is solicitors verdict as i had solid defence which no one knows because i just chose to end an ugly chapter of my life. so 35k solicitors fee's and then i can continue on a tour with no money. when 6 months earlier id already told everyone i was only playing the world title next year as id had enough. in hindsight the ban was the best thing to ever happen to me as all i did was complain about the game.

as for playing iv been invited to lots of pool tournaments last few years, if there is ipt type tournaments id play not really for the money but because i wouldnt feel like im totally wasting my time, its not rocket science i make more money now with no hassles than when i played snooker. even when i was making 200k a year at snooker i still hated playing and would not practise i dont like the game and i never kept it a secret

i cant tell you about match fixing $ but the fight with the snooker player made me 40k plus more money from tabloid stories. then another 25k with an irish footballer and i had more fun with that than any snooker tourny. i soold my ferrari v12 merc and million dollor apartment in london and moved back into my mansion in australia so why would i want to play anymore i dont need to


you are a wanker watchez

Wow, Hann. You're rolling, huh? Best of luck to you. Can I be you? Hey, you're in Australia? Ever met the Oyster?

 

[watchez]

wow you can google so you think that tells you the full story if i wanted to defend myself i would never have got banned worse case bringing game into disrupute 6 months max that is solicitors verdict as i had solid defence which no one knows because i just chose to end an ugly chapter of my life. so 35k solicitors fee's and then i can continue on a tour with no money. when 6 months earlier id already told everyone i was only playing the world title next year as id had enough. in hindsight the ban was the best thing to ever happen to me as all i did was complain about the game.

as for playing iv been invited to lots of pool tournaments last few years, if there is ipt type tournaments id play not really for the money but because i wouldnt feel like im totally wasting my time, its not rocket science i make more money now with no hassles than when i played snooker. even when i was making 200k a year at snooker i still hated playing and would not practise i dont like the game and i never kept it a secret

i cant tell you about match fixing $ but the fight with the snooker player made me 40k plus more money from tabloid stories. then another 25k with an irish footballer and i had more fun with that than any snooker tourny. i soold my ferrari v12 merc and million dollor apartment in london and moved back into my mansion in australia so why would i want to play anymore i dont need to


you are a wanker watchez

Kind of hard to defend against a video and audio tape. Just ask OJ.

Keep saying it to yourself, eventually you will believe it. Just like you posted no one has ever accused you of cheating/dumping. I think Google proved that statement wrong.

And I would rather be a wanker (whatever that is) than to have the first article googled about myself come up like the one I posted about you.

Have fun in your mansion in Australia. You sound happy.

 

[vagabond]

Kind of hard to defend against a video and audio tape. Just ask OJ.



And I would rather be a wanker (whatever that is)

It is profanity.when I read that I started laughing.I know that not many American AZBers know the meaning of that commonly used word in UK. :thumbup:

 

[JoeyA]

well its no secret why i got banned from snooker but the real story of my retirement you or the general public dont know about and never will, like alot of stuff that goes on.

after a few good glasses of red the point i was trying to make is it is next to impossible to ban someone cause it is impossible to prove. that is a fact my case is not relevent because the only reason i got caught on tape discussing match fixing was something totally removed from match fixing. its complicated and i wont go into it here when i wouldnt speak about it for large amounts of money from the tabloids in london.

i have stepped onto usa soil twice and seen one of your WORLD CHAMPS take a bung first hand to lose not hearsay!! i was there.

grady who is a legend stated he has seen it and then reported it yet nothing happened.

another american player at the same tournament hit up a uk friend of mine saying he would let him win for 2 grand so he could qaulify for the next round my friend refused and ended up losing to him.

at the same tournament i heard of other people paying players to lose though that was hearsay, and the ipt changed their payouts because players where dumping at the first tournament that is what the ipt staff told me.

bookies got robbed big time at world 9 ball in cardiff when i was there when it first started and the players never even kept it a secret they thought it was brilliant.

so when i tell you it goes on alot in snooker believe me it does. i mean im giving you the inside story here and your bagging me, or do you know more than me about snooker Jay? im retired i dont need anything from cuesports ever again i have nothing to gain by making shit up, maybe i shouldnt say anything so everyone here can continue to think snooker/pool is an honest game and santa exhists too. it just baffles me that people are so friggin dumb that after all the circumstantial evidence and those terrible shots from burnett people cant see what really happened. maybe there was a psychics convention in glasgow that week so a few of them decided to open accounts 3 days before and only bet on 9-3 cause they knew that was the only game and score they could predict lol.

Since you're retired, why don't you hop a flight over the pond and visit us at the Derby City Classic? You're still posting on a pool site, so you must still have an interest in it or you wouldn't be posting here.

FTR,
I believe dumping goes on more than most people suspect. However this very weekend, I saw a top regional player win the cat bird's seat but he did not buy half of himself in the Calcutta which was $1500 for first place. In the finals, he played so poorly, I started suspecting a dump although he has never been known to dump. The other person had bought half of themselves...... The mistakes that he made were "dump-like" mistakes and others thought the same thing. He lost the first set by a wide margin but since it was double elimination he got a reprieve and played MUCH better the next set and won the tournament. After the tournament, I told him what I had seen and what I thought might have been happening as the shooting that he was doing was COMPLETELY out of character for him. He explained that he hadn't hit a ball for over three hours and in the short race he was unable to make even the simplest shape shots until the final set.

JoeyA

 

[chamillionare]

Kind of hard to defend against a video and audio tape. Just ask OJ.

Keep saying it to yourself, eventually you will believe it. Just like you posted no one has ever accused you of cheating/dumping. I think Google proved that statement wrong.

And I would rather be a wanker (whatever that is) than to have the first article googled about myself come up like the one I posted about you.

Have fun in your mansion in Australia. You sound happy.

im pretty happy thanks

so i come on here discussing the burnett match and thread and now your comparing me to oj!

im sure no one would ever bother to google you

and dont worry about (rather being a a wanker) it is what you are

 

[vagabond]

 

[smashmouth]

there was no fix there, he barely made the brown, missed shape on the blue-did pot it well all things considered, missed the pink and fluked it in the middle. and dogged the black-he twisted his body when he mis hit the black. They need to chill over there or stop gambling.

a guy doggs a ball and they threaten maguires career, he aint dumb enough to do that, to be sure there is fixing all the time but that right there wasnt. no way!! that particular thing didnt look like a dump, but i wsnt there either, Im aware of how it goes and it shouldnt be noticable, but that didnt seem like a dump to me, i have seen other matches that looked alot more suspeciuos.

lol, do you even know who chamillionaire is Fatboy? I'd be very carefull contradicting him on this issue

alot of you guys needs to pay attention when a pro like Quenten Hann gets on here and offers his insight

he knows more about snooker than anyone here

 

[JAM]

Here's Quinten Hann below! He sure doesn't look like a natural blond to me! :grin-square:

On a serious note, it is a shame that pros do get bashed on this forum from time to time. Usually, it is the same people who do the bashing of the pros, unfortunately. It is one reason why some pros will NEVER return to this forum -- EVER.

Mr. Hann, I don't know if you dumped or didn't dump, but if you did and got caught, then it's a stigma that you have to carry with you. However, there is definitely a ring of truth to what you write, and some readers of this forum who have never played professionally don't have a clue about professional pool. I hope to read more of your posts in the future. Don't let the "wankers" chase you away! :wink:

That said, I am reminded of President Bill Clinton when asked in the grand jury if he had sex with Monica Lewinsky, to which he relied, "I did not have sex with that woman."

Well, technically, he didn't, or did he? :embarrassed2:

 

[Colin Colenso]

On a serious note, it is a shame that pros do get bashed on this forum from time to time. Usually, it is the same people who do the bashing of the pros, unfortunately. It is one reason why some pros will NEVER return to this forum -- EVER.

Qunten's got a way of rubbing people up the wrong way because he just speaks his mind, but he came here to tell people what is really going on behind the scenes. This is how it works and until someone is playing the game for their living I think it is quite presumptious for them to be taking the high road.

Blaming dumping for pool not being a big sport? I think that's a big reach. Did the bad reputation of poker players stop that sport? Sure gambling can bring more exposure to a sport, but sports like tennis and golf didn't become major sports because the bookies were so pleased with them.

If the bookies don't like the action then they don't have to offer bets. If players want to get through round robin qualifiers they know they better win their early games or their chances grow increasingly short.

And btw: Snooker became a big sport not because of gambling or a lack of dumping. When there is big prizemoney there is less incentive to dump. With prizemoney shrinking to about a 1/3 of its former glory, the odds are changing for the players.

Like it or not, that's what's going on. Don't be shooting the messenger.

Colin

 

[JAM]

Qunten's got he's way of rubbing people up the wrong way because he just speaks his mind, but he came here to tell people what is really going on behind the scenes. This is how it works and until someone is playing the game for their living I think it is quite presumptious for them to be taking the high road.

Blaming dumping for pool not being a big sport? I think that's a big reach. Did the bad reputation of poker players stop that sport? Sure gambling can bring more exposure to a sport, but sports like tennis and golf didn't become major sports because the bookies were so pleased with them.

If the bookies don't like the action then they don't have to offer bets. If players want to get through round robin qualifiers they know they better win their early games or their chances grow increasingly short.

And btw: Snooker became a big sport not because of gambling or a lack of dumping. When there is big prizemoney there is less incentive to dump. With prizemoney shrinking to about a 1/3 of its former glory, the odds are changing for the players.

Like it or not, that's what's going on. Don't be shooting the messenger.

Colin

EXACTLY right. Well said, Colin!

 

[smashmouth]

Quenten's departure from the game was a HUGE loss to the sport of snooker, again, this goes to the old geezers running the show imo

the public loved him, or loved to hate him, either way he was probably the biggest draw outside Ronnie

 

[jay helfert]

Since you're not saying much about the match and saving it for your book can you at least tell us how much you wagered on Lebron? Everyone else did.

P.S. I'm not implying that you had something to do with it. What was suppost to happen did happen.

I didn't make a bet on anyone. To me that is a big no no when you are the TD. Some TD's have done it but I won't. It is true that I have staked players in tournaments I directed. In cases like those, I want someone other than me to call hits in their matches. If I have to call a hit, I make sure 'my' player knows ahead of time that I have no qualms about calling a foul on them.

 

[crawfish]

Whatever. Whatever. Another person claiming, "I don't need pool. I don't even like the game." Well, fine. You take care. I work with people on a daily basis that have REAL money. Not that I do, but they do. (example: client flies in just to write me a check for his carpeting that was over $200 g's. For carpeting! Do the math. Nice place, by the way. 36,000 feet. He has a theatre room that my house will sit in with 1000 extra feet to spare. By the way, the guy is miserable.) I don't give two shits what people have or have not. Happiness is a way to judge people. You seem a little miffed at the world. I wish you happiness and a merry Christmas.

 

[jay helfert]

Watch a few snooker matches, even look at no-names in the the sport. You will not find anyone miss balls that badly without asking for the CB to be cleaned. They always hit very close to the pocket. The brown that rattles, he probably tried to miss. He over ran blue shape and took a big stroke on the blue thinking he would miss. Makes the blue, hacks the pink and then hands the black. He wouldn't have missed 4 balls than badly during his entire career

How much he missed the yellow and black would be like a pro dart player hitting the bull while trying for double 16. It never happens. John says it all in the interview. He was just short of calling him a cheat. That from a man playing pro snooker for many many years.

I'm only going to say this once so I hope you're listening. I've seen ALL the best players in the world miss HANGERS! And I mean hangers! Shots they should make 100 times in a row. Why, you might ask? Well Pool (and Snooker for that matter) is that funny kind of game that a momentary lapse in concentration can make even the best players look very human.
Speech over.

 

[jay helfert]

Why thanks. Glad someone understands what I was trying to say.

For all of you out there...... a hypothetical situation.

You have ten grand in your pocket. A very large bookie is booking the matches and taking all action. Unlimited pockets. You happen to find out I shit my way into the finals. Me and Player A to play for it. The race is to nine. The line is I will or won't seven.

You are standing by the bathroom door and you hear Player A tell me that he just bet I'd seven. Get it?

Now, how long did it take you to get to the bookie?

Liar.

Crawdaddy I love this one. I just beat you to the bookie.