The players will screw it up as they’ve done in the past. Along with controlling their egos and greed they need a dress code and set of rules of conduct with monetary penalties for violations.
Rumor New Professional Tour in the works with TV sponsors?
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The players will screw it up as they’ve done in the past. Along with controlling their egos and greed they need a dress code and set of rules of conduct with monetary penalties for violations.
...will there be a Pro Billiard Tour?
When the cueist icon recognition becomes mainstream.
Too date,
there isn't a cueist icon, as a standard, in the sport symbol prompt (Microsoft Word).
..it very well could be a visual communication thing causing the delay.
When the cueist icon recognition becomes mainstream.
Too date,
there isn't a cueist icon, as a standard, in the sport symbol prompt (Microsoft Word).
..it very well could be a visual communication thing causing the delay.
TxBullDog
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Well found this on Rodney Morris Facebook? rumors on top of rumors?
Feb 24th 2021:
"Imagine if you will, a professional pool tour that players play on for a season, accumulating ranking points, and finish in the top 50 and guarantees their tour card for the following season, locking them into a guaranteed 100k salary the following year! When you're having these conversations with big TV networks you're having the right conversations
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Feb 24th 2021:
"Imagine if you will, a professional pool tour that players play on for a season, accumulating ranking points, and finish in the top 50 and guarantees their tour card for the following season, locking them into a guaranteed 100k salary the following year! When you're having these conversations with big TV networks you're having the right conversations
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Is KT out of jail?!Well found this on Rodney Morris Facebook? rumors on top of rumors?
Feb 24th 2021:
"Imagine if you will, a professional pool tour that players play on for a season, accumulating ranking points, and finish in the top 50 and guarantees their tour card for the following season, locking them into a guaranteed 100k salary the following year! When you're having these conversations with big TV networks you're having the right conversations
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It’s funny when the IPT came around in 2005 I was much less seasoned than now. I was gung ho with a few of the open level local players to get their applications in. They all laughed at me and said don’t waste their time.
Now 16 years later I’m much more reserved and not getting my hopes up.
For me, all I have to do is see their business plan.
Who's the controller/president/?? Etc.
I've yet to see the production of a Billiard Event represent our product/game, like other sports/tennis/golf etc.
I have worked in three control trucks overseeing the shoot for different pro events, and went to school to study and understand the shoot.
They don't even think/comprehend/know where to set the cameras up, two shots ahead of thee shot. They tend to follow the player like sheep, not knowing exactly where they should Not be.
Generally boring to represent our game, to ''INCREASE PLAY'' it's all the samo/bland/overhead stuff with a few side camera angles, but not good angles.
They Never even considered looking at the product the PGA/USTA.... has created, and implemented some of their winning concepts.
Like Swing Analysis after a shot, or their back hand in slow motion, with a camera shot set up and ''There'' to catch the moment.
ALL THEY EVER DO 80 % of their time....IS SHOW THE BALL GOING INTO THE HOLE.
They don't know how to produce a show, that draws the viewer in, with that Mosconi Moment, but they can....
Balls going into the hole that's ok.......................BUT I want to see the swing, stance and mechanics used to implement the shot at hand, not discount commentary.
Get Briesath type person in the booth with a real announcer.
The Camel pro had a pro announcer, Tommy next to a pool player, it was fun.
Get better camera ''set up'' angles.
They do it at all the PGA events, the production sells the product.
Who's the controller/president/?? Etc.
I've yet to see the production of a Billiard Event represent our product/game, like other sports/tennis/golf etc.
I have worked in three control trucks overseeing the shoot for different pro events, and went to school to study and understand the shoot.
They don't even think/comprehend/know where to set the cameras up, two shots ahead of thee shot. They tend to follow the player like sheep, not knowing exactly where they should Not be.
Generally boring to represent our game, to ''INCREASE PLAY'' it's all the samo/bland/overhead stuff with a few side camera angles, but not good angles.
They Never even considered looking at the product the PGA/USTA.... has created, and implemented some of their winning concepts.
Like Swing Analysis after a shot, or their back hand in slow motion, with a camera shot set up and ''There'' to catch the moment.
ALL THEY EVER DO 80 % of their time....IS SHOW THE BALL GOING INTO THE HOLE.
They don't know how to produce a show, that draws the viewer in, with that Mosconi Moment, but they can....
Balls going into the hole that's ok.......................BUT I want to see the swing, stance and mechanics used to implement the shot at hand, not discount commentary.
Get Briesath type person in the booth with a real announcer.
The Camel pro had a pro announcer, Tommy next to a pool player, it was fun.
Get better camera ''set up'' angles.
They do it at all the PGA events, the production sells the product.
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It’s both sad and funny that most random Joe’s thinks pool is so neat and a bit mysterious. But it’s never picked up. Idk why we’ve never been able to capitalize on that.
You may say I'm a dreamerWell found this on Rodney Morris Facebook? rumors on top of rumors?
Feb 24th 2021:
"Imagine if you will, a professional pool tour that players play on for a season, accumulating ranking points, and finish in the top 50 and guarantees their tour card for the following season, locking them into a guaranteed 100k salary the following year! When you're having these conversations with big TV networks you're having the right conversations
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But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the pool world will be as one
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Maybe have all leagues add a dollar a player for their area for a tour to come to their city once a year and players could make 1k every weekend
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DieselPete
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I think this interview with Emily Frazer of Matchroom is a "must read" on this topic:
www.azbilliards.com
I don't see anyone inventing a meaningful tour from scratch. Matchroom is acquiring the cornerstone events for a tour and could then build around them. She talks about building out a schedule that makes sense for travel, for avoiding other major sporting events, and so on. But of particular note is the concern that the players have a long way to go professionalize themselves, to present themselves as something other than gamblers, to build followings that are of interest to potential sponsors. She notes that many top pros don't even have Instagram pages, and only have friends as followers on Facebook, so how can you tell a sponsor about reach and a global presence for the players and the sport when the players aren't even leveraging obvious platforms to help with that?
- AZBILLIARDS.COM
I don't see anyone inventing a meaningful tour from scratch. Matchroom is acquiring the cornerstone events for a tour and could then build around them. She talks about building out a schedule that makes sense for travel, for avoiding other major sporting events, and so on. But of particular note is the concern that the players have a long way to go professionalize themselves, to present themselves as something other than gamblers, to build followings that are of interest to potential sponsors. She notes that many top pros don't even have Instagram pages, and only have friends as followers on Facebook, so how can you tell a sponsor about reach and a global presence for the players and the sport when the players aren't even leveraging obvious platforms to help with that?
400 teams x 5=104000. Have the venue pay a little to have at their place and give 100 pros a 1000 just to come
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Perfect.
Sounds awfully suspicious, but anything's possible.
When the IPT was around, we all asked how KT would make ends meet, a question to which no answer ever came. Pro pool, for decades, has been unable to market itself to concerns outside the industry. Even a marketing wizard with a strong track record in sales like Trudeau couldn't sell it. Many argued that Trudeau, because of his great wealth, would stay the course with the IPT, and I recall arguing with such people back then that a good businessman pulls the plug quickly on a venture that is failing. Sure enough, KT closed up shop very shortly after realizing that his business plan was both flawed and indefensible. The only similar venture in recent years to the IPT was Bonus Ball, which, similarly, shut down in a hurry when its business model failed.
The commitment of very substantial funds by a pool production company prior to the validation of a business model in our sport hasn't worked in the past. It's possible it will work now, but are pool players any more marketable than they were in the past? My opinion is that they are not. As was the case with the IPT and Bonus Ball, the plug would be pulled quickly on a new startup venture if early results suggest the venture will fail. I think Ed Liddawi and the NBL have a more sensible view in building up their operation until it has the critical mass that will enable it to seek significant sponsorship. Whatever one thinks of their prospects, their "look before you leap" approach seems well advised.
Of course, we all hope that someone will commit a huge amount of money to our sport, and we all want everything good for pool professionals, but history would not be on the side of the supposed investors here.
When the IPT was around, we all asked how KT would make ends meet, a question to which no answer ever came. Pro pool, for decades, has been unable to market itself to concerns outside the industry. Even a marketing wizard with a strong track record in sales like Trudeau couldn't sell it. Many argued that Trudeau, because of his great wealth, would stay the course with the IPT, and I recall arguing with such people back then that a good businessman pulls the plug quickly on a venture that is failing. Sure enough, KT closed up shop very shortly after realizing that his business plan was both flawed and indefensible. The only similar venture in recent years to the IPT was Bonus Ball, which, similarly, shut down in a hurry when its business model failed.
The commitment of very substantial funds by a pool production company prior to the validation of a business model in our sport hasn't worked in the past. It's possible it will work now, but are pool players any more marketable than they were in the past? My opinion is that they are not. As was the case with the IPT and Bonus Ball, the plug would be pulled quickly on a new startup venture if early results suggest the venture will fail. I think Ed Liddawi and the NBL have a more sensible view in building up their operation until it has the critical mass that will enable it to seek significant sponsorship. Whatever one thinks of their prospects, their "look before you leap" approach seems well advised.
Of course, we all hope that someone will commit a huge amount of money to our sport, and we all want everything good for pool professionals, but history would not be on the side of the supposed investors here.
Money has never come along in my memory for the game....with it's long term/ true intent too create a sport, like golf.
It's always had that pool player tweak within the business model.
There was NEVER a long term plan of any sort.
Sponsors in the beginning become intoxicated with our game, till it ''plays out''.
Medina even had a Great contract with Coors. Had
It's always had that pool player tweak within the business model.
There was NEVER a long term plan of any sort.
Sponsors in the beginning become intoxicated with our game, till it ''plays out''.
Medina even had a Great contract with Coors. Had
Yeah, I heard all about the new pro tour thing. It's real big. Kevin True-dough is bank rolling it. I heard they got Dawn Mackee to come on board organizing things. They're gonna call the whole thing BONUS BALL BUX.
Corporate raider Larry Learn from the UK might even do a hostile takeover once they get it up running good.
I even heard there is a film in the works. They're gonna call it BALL STREET.
Corporate raider Larry Learn from the UK might even do a hostile takeover once they get it up running good.
I even heard there is a film in the works. They're gonna call it BALL STREET.
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Is Eddie Wheat the official cue for these events?
Feels to me they’re trying to mimic the WPBA strategy of hosting pro events with amateur events, sell merch, and make sure there’s something to play somewhere while sharing/offsetting venue costs. Surprised it’s free to view instead of selling cheap tickets.
The WPBA failed as miserably as the Men's pro tour. I think it only lasted a bit longer because of the sex appeal factor on tv.
This is not accurate. Although the last decade hasn't been as good as the past, the WPBA was a very strong tour from its inception in 1976 through about 2011. I don't know of any other American tour that had a thirty five year shelf life, not even Mike Zuglan's Joss tour, which is still going strong after a run of over 20 years (longer than that if it is taken into account that the Joss Tour was a de facto successor of the "All About Pool Tour" of the 1990s).
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