Sarah Ellerby vs Jennifer Chen (How would you rule?)

[Da Poet]

During last night's WPBA match between Jennifer Chen and Sarah Ellerby, Jennifer Chen called a foul on Sarah Ellerby and Sarah denied any wrongdoing. (They were two tables deep from the spectators and with all the other matches going on, it didn't catch my attention until the argument started) The tournament director intervened and after ruling in Jennifer's favor, decided to let play continue.

About ten minutes later, during a break in the same match, as the players were walking past each other in the hallway, Sarah allegedly gave Jennifer a hard elbow. Apparently there was a witness who gave his cell number and agreed to vouch for Jennifer if needed.

Sarah went on to win the match against Jennifer and then won against Monica Webb to make it to today's finals. At the end of the matches last night, many of the players were sympathizing with Jennifer and believed that if Sarah commited either alleged infraction, Sarah should be disqualified and the matches she won after the alleged infractions should be replayed.

My personal view is that as bad as this alleged behavior was, as far as replaying any matches, once you get back on the table and start playing again, it's over. The ruling on the field stands.

But especially if anything Jennifer is saying is backed up on tape, what do you do now?


Go Kelly!

 

[Poolplaya9]

I think both allegations are serious enough to warrant disqualification from the tournament and forfeiture of any prize money IF they can be proven.

 

[Johnnyt]

Sarah is playing Kelly Fisher next. Let her elbow her and see what happens:rotflmao1: Johnnyt

 

[Da Poet]

For those just tuning in, as of today there has been no official comment on the "alleged" infractions by Sarah Ellerby. Although I have no doubt about what happened, please read forward as this is an interesting record of comments.

 

[rcarson]

There could also be a back story to all of this. You never now if they are bitter rivals or if they had a bad game in the green room. The initial complaint about moving the ball could have been blown out of per portion because she lost money to the other lady. Who knows. Unless they are playing all fouls then it shouldn't matter anyways. And if they are then the lady who moved the ball should have lost her turn. Even with the dispute.

 

[CaptiveBred]

A hard elbow! I love it That just makes it exciting. really, that is gold!

This is nothing and fans love it. I've seen much worse. I watched AC Green looking for his teeth on the floor when JR Reed gave him a hard elbow

 

[Fatboy]

Sarah is playing Kelly Fisher next. Let her elbow her and see what happens:rotflmao1: Johnnyt

CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!! I love it. Man i'm bad.:grin-devilish:

 

[Rich R.]

I greatly doubt that any of this is true.

I know the WPBA is now playing fouls on all balls, in the later rounds, when there is a referee. I don't see how they could possibly be playing all ball fouls in the earlier rounds, without referees at every table.

If, in fact, a ball was moved, it should not be a foul, without a referee to see it.

I greatly doubt that Sarah would ever move a ball intentionally, or not, without stating so.

Also, with the size difference between Sarah and Jennifer, I also greatly doubt that Sarah would throw a hard elbow at Jennifer.

Pending proof to the contrary, I think this is a bunch of crap.

 

[jay helfert]

During last night's WPBA match between Jennifer Chen and Sarah Ellerby, Jennifer Chen complained that Sarah Ellerby had illegally and deliberately moved a ball on the table apparently while shooting at another ball. A fierce argument started between the players, Jennifer was the most vocal, and since no one actually saw the infraction but Jennifer, and Sarah denied any wrongdoing, (They were two tables deep from the spectators and with all the other matches going on, it didn't catch my attention until the argument started) the tournament director decided to let play continue.

About ten minutes later, during a break in the same match, as the players were walking past each other in the hallway, Sarah allegedly gave Jennifer a hard elbow. Apparently there was a witness who gave his cell number and agreed to vouch for Jennifer if needed.

Sarah went on to win the match against Jennifer and then won against Monica Webb to make it to today's finals. At the end of the matches last night, many of the players were sympathizing with Jennifer and believed that if Sarah commited either alleged infraction, Sarah should be disqualified and the matches she won after the alleged infractions should be replayed.

My personal view is that as bad as this alleged behavior was, as far as replaying any matches, once you get back on the table and start playing again, it's over. The ruling on the field stands.

But especially if anything Jennifer is saying is backed up on tape, what do you do now?


Go Kelly!

The key phrase in the above story is "The Tournament Director decided play should continue". As far as I'm concerned that should be the end of it.
Afterwards they can go out back and settle it like men.

 

[Da Poet]

I greatly doubt that any of this is true.

I know the WPBA is now playing fouls on all balls, in the later rounds, when there is a referee. I don't see how they could possibly be playing all ball fouls in the earlier rounds, without referees at every table.

If, in fact, a ball was moved, it should not be a foul, without a referee to see it.

I greatly doubt that Sarah would ever move a ball intentionally, or not, without stating so.

Also, with the size difference between Sarah and Jennifer, I also greatly doubt that Sarah would throw a hard elbow at Jennifer.

Pending proof to the contrary, I think this is a bunch of crap.

Yeah, the whole thing was a little weird and I don't blame anyone for being skeptical, but a lot of folks besides me saw the original argument and saw Jennifer proclaim all of this to just about anyone that would listen and that is a stone cold fact. This was all being discussed in the open until a few players sensibly asked that all non players leave the room.

You know it seemed like a big deal at the time, but even as a day has passed, it's really not as big a deal. These women are extremely serious competitors and even the slightest thing can set someone off, although this wasn't exactly slight.

It was kind of funny, I was standing there with my friend who was talking with one of the players, I mean, I don't know any of these folks, and the conversation between the players near her about what happened was getting more and more heated, and I was kind of waiting for that wisecrack or someone to say something to diffuse the tension a little so I could butt in and suggest something really constructive like,

TAR MATCH!!!! :grin:

 

[JDB]

A hard elbow! I love it That just makes it exciting. really, that is gold!

This is nothing and fans love it. I've seen much worse. I watched AC Green looking for his teeth on the floor when JR Reed gave him a hard elbow

Another post "edited" by AV84fun? How does that happen?

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[sarahrousey]

I greatly doubt that any of this is true.

I know the WPBA is now playing fouls on all balls, in the later rounds, when there is a referee. I don't see how they could possibly be playing all ball fouls in the earlier rounds, without referees at every table.

If, in fact, a ball was moved, it should not be a foul, without a referee to see it.

I greatly doubt that Sarah would ever move a ball intentionally, or not, without stating so.

Also, with the size difference between Sarah and Jennifer, I also greatly doubt that Sarah would throw a hard elbow at Jennifer.

Pending proof to the contrary, I think this is a bunch of crap.

I can shed a little light on this situation...it isn't a bunch of crap, it happened. Sarah didn't move a ball with her cue, she made a pretty obvious bad hit and tried to say it didn't happen. I was playing right next to them and getting tortured at the time so I was watching. As for the physical altercation, there was a witness that gave his account as to what happened.

Some of the girls got together to find out what happens in this situation and what could happen. The board members were very helpful and open minded to both sides of the story. They went to both sources and got the facts before making any decisions. While the ruling for something physical happening is disqualification, nothing could be proven until after the match between the two of them and Sarah and Monica were over, nothing could be done. In the heat of the moment, replaying a match sounded like a good idea, but obviously would be impossible. Any punishment would have to take place after the tournament is over.

I think the board did a great job in this situation. Hopefully things like this don't happen again.

Sarah

 

[skor]

I think they should settle it in mud wrestling on TAR....

 

[TXsouthpaw]

I think they should settle it in mud wrestling on TAR....

id pay for that:thumbup:

 

[jay helfert]

I can shed a little light on this situation...it isn't a bunch of crap, it happened. Sarah didn't move a ball with her cue, she made a pretty obvious bad hit and tried to say it didn't happen. I was playing right next to them and getting tortured at the time so I was watching. As for the physical altercation, there was a witness that gave his account as to what happened.

Some of the girls got together to find out what happens in this situation and what could happen. The board members were very helpful and open minded to both sides of the story. They went to both sources and got the facts before making any decisions. While the ruling for something physical happening is disqualification, nothing could be proven until after the match between the two of them and Sarah and Monica were over, nothing could be done. In the heat of the moment, replaying a match sounded like a good idea, but obviously would be impossible. Any punishment would have to take place after the tournament is over.

I think the board did a great job in this situation. Hopefully things like this don't happen again.

Sarah

I'm very curious how the TD handled it. Did he have any discussion with both girls separately as to what happened? Sometimes when a player is describing a shot they make revelations about what really happened. This way an educated decision can be made. Did he ask if there were any witnesses to the shot (like you).

 

[sarahrousey]

I'm very curious how the TD handled it. Did he have any discussion with both girls separately as to what happened? Sometimes when a player is describing a shot they make revelations about what really happened. This way an educated decision can be made. Did he ask if there were any witnesses to the shot (like you).

With the shot, Jennifer set it up again and explained what happened. After about 5 minutes of debate between them all Sarah said she might have hit the 7 but she wasn't completely sure. Steve analyzed the situation and the outcome of how the balls were laying and how they ended up and decided it was a foul.

 

[jay helfert]

With the shot, Jennifer set it up again and explained what happened. After about 5 minutes of debate between them all Sarah said she might have hit the 7 but she wasn't completely sure. Steve analyzed the situation and the outcome of how the balls were laying and how they ended up and decided it was a foul.

So he did call a foul? The above scenario should have taken place immediately when the situation came up. Afterwards it's a fruitless endeavor.

 

[Nostroke]

I greatly doubt that any of this is true.

I know the WPBA is now playing fouls on all balls, in the later rounds, when there is a referee. I don't see how they could possibly be playing all ball fouls in the earlier rounds, without referees at every table.

If, in fact, a ball was moved, it should not be a foul, without a referee to see it.

I greatly doubt that Sarah would ever move a ball intentionally, or not, without stating so.

Also, with the size difference between Sarah and Jennifer, I also greatly doubt that Sarah would throw a hard elbow at Jennifer.

Pending proof to the contrary, I think this is a bunch of crap.

Based on what i have seen in the past, I believe it.

 

[azhousepro]

Could it be Captive Bred's sig file?

Mike

Another post "edited" by AV84fun? How does that happen?

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[monica]

This isn't the first time Sarah has fouled and tried to get out of it. Last year at this same tournament she was shooting a long shot on the nine, missed the whole ball against melissa little and tried to say she fanned it. Steve T was sitting right there in front of the shot watching the match in the arena. Ofcourse your not going to get away with this playing M.L.. She laughed in her face and said "OH PLEASE! You missed the whole ball. Took ball in hand and won the game.

Sarah broke the balls in my face during this pro am charity event even after I asked her not to. She broke while my cue was still on the table also. She is out of control.