Some men have difficulty playing women in match play.He’s a 30 point dog, has a real job, he did great to hang close. I understand he thought he could beat a girl
I can attest to this. I did an interview with Savanah and her mom a while ago and met back up with them in Vegas this year. Great family. They don't push her like other sports parents do. She just loves to play and wants to be the best.
But Im guessing Mom IS pushing the Commercial stuff-and maybe a little too hard imho.
Commercial stuff as in ways to promote her and sponsors and such right? When I mean push her, meaning pushing her to do just pool and spend every waking moment at the table like those other sports parents we all know of. I didn't get that while talking with her.
Where is Chicago billiards?
Well Parica gave him the 7 and beat him in 92 and Ginky gave him the 8 and did the same but 12-15 years later. Chicago Billiards was in West Haven Ct- A gambling Haven for at least 6-7 years. Encouraged road players to come and provided a place to crash in the back. Liscotti hung out there daily.
There was also this teacher named Mizerak... :-D
My recollection of things, as another one of SBR's "chauvinists" is that my arguments were pretty much all ignored in favor of the quicker tactic of just labeling me.We are not all chauvinist folks as you like to say, and have said for years about this topic. At the time, the top pro women were linked almost exclusively by Karen Corr. Mike even had a video about Karen being the link. Its better now certainly with a few more top female pros mixing it up with men.
Also I'm sure you recall, at the time Siming played a few matches with male pros. One was an exhibition with Efren. One was 7 or 8 practice sets with Shane before the US Open. And the 4 or so total sets with Donnie, over 2 different sessions. I had asked Mike a few times to show Simings performance against "only" the men in her entire match history he had of her. It "was" less than her fargo at the time.
Liking another side in a bet doesn't make us all chauvinist folks, fyi.That's how action gets down.
I had heard he was not playing well when he went to CT.
I saw Neptune Joe play many times at West End Billiards in Elizabeth, NJ, right around that time (91-92). He was a strong player, but not in the class of Ginky or Robles or Hopkins. I used to play Ginky getting the 8.
You shoot Strong! Yeah West End was where i saw Parica give Joe the 7 and beat him. I think the same night Frankie got the 5 or 6 from Miz in the tournament and beat him- But after the tourny, they gambled w the same spot and Miz drilled him. Probably lost in the tournament on purpose. I probably saw Joe play in 10 different rooms if not more.
Athletic endeavor... LOL.My recollection of things, as another one of SBR's "chauvinists" is that my arguments were pretty much all ignored in favor of the quicker tactic of just labeling me.
One thing I still fear, as someone who actually STILL thinks men have inherent advantages over women when it comes to cue sports is -- the loss of opportunities for women to play in their own events. There's this assumption that has gained a lot of traction, and it goes something like this -- since Fargo Rate is so accurate, why not just have only Fargo Rated tourneys and do away with the men's and women's events all-together?"
I think that's a bad idea since if the egalitarians turn out to be wrong (not that they would ever admit it) and men do have a competitive advantage at pool, then you've eliminated opportunities for women in the name of equality. How ironic.
As an example, I think about the women I know who are around the 650 range and have basically dedicated their lives to the game, and instead of being celebrated for their remarkable achievement -- their reward would be to get to compete against good men, many who have never given an equal amount of focus to the game. So basically, the women's reward for their time and dedication is they get to compete against men who haven't done the same. How enlightened we are.
As more data is compiled, it does sort of look like there may turn out to be about a 50 point differential between the men and the women on average. I understand all the arguments about why women don't have as much success, mainly boiling down to raw numbers. But that's just opinion no different than mine, except my opinion takes into account every other athletic endeavor ever known to man, errr I mean -- people.
What...what are we talking about???
I never said men don't have a natural advantage over women. I happen to believe men likely have better baseline spatial awareness, hand eye coordination, and muscle memory, as through our evolutionary development, the males were the hunters, and the females were caretakers.My recollection of things, as another one of SBR's "chauvinists" is that my arguments were pretty much all ignored in favor of the quicker tactic of just labeling me.
One thing I still fear, as someone who actually STILL thinks men have inherent advantages over women when it comes to cue sports is -- the loss of opportunities for women to play in their own events. There's this assumption that has gained a lot of traction, and it goes something like this -- "Since Fargo Rate is so accurate, why not just have only Fargo Rated tourneys and do away with the men's and women's events all-together?"
I think that's a bad idea since if the egalitarians turn out to be wrong (not that they would ever admit it) and men do have a competitive advantage at pool, then you've eliminated opportunities for women in the name of equality. How ironic.
As an example, I think about the women I know who are around the 650 range and have basically dedicated their lives to the game, and instead of being celebrated for their remarkable achievement -- their reward would be to get to compete against good men, many who have never given an equal amount of focus to the game. So basically, the women's reward for their time and dedication is they get to compete against men who haven't done the same. How enlightened we are.
As more data is compiled, it does sort of look like there may turn out to be about a 50 point differential between the men and the women on average. I understand all the arguments about why women don't have as much success, mainly boiling down to raw numbers. But that's just opinion no different than mine, except my opinion takes into account every other athletic endeavor ever known to man, errr I mean -- people.
What...what are we talking about???
I agree with you. The argument I've heard from some is that since most women play predominantly against other women, they tend to play men a little differently. Maybe it's because they're intimidated? Like I said, I think a 650 rated player plays at a 650 speed regardless of whether they have an "innie or an outie".
