SBE "Amateur" event

[Kickin' Chicken]

Allen Sr. and Allen Jr. may be better served by hiring a technical consultant for just this purpose. Maybe give them a pass to attend for free as payment, which would be nice.

Most of us on this forum are aware of Who's Who in the pool world. It may be that both Allens are out of the loop in 2017 -- or in the alternative, maybe the person responsible for the attendance of the amateur events have no idea what time of day it is in the pool world, which is probably the case. They hire a HUGE staff each year.

I am still wondering when some of the named players show up today for the amateur that they will be told they cannot get in after this thread. :embarrassed2:

doubt anything like that would be as a result of this thread; I'd bet a dollar to a donut that they've already heard plenty of moaning from many who have read the entrant lists.

SBE officials have shown that they can and will bar you from competing right up until you are chalking your stick for your first match as was the case with Greg A.

l guess we'll see how it goes for these guys.

 

[Ģüśţāṿ]

Each year there's always a list of highly questionable names, and those are the guys in the final bracket most of the time. I understand it must be a very difficult job of policing who's allow/ not allowed to play in the amateur open, but some people just jump right out!

I'll be there anyways to enjoy myself, but it makes it a bit discouraging when your facing these guys. :frown:

 

[cardiac kid]

how could Winters, Pinegar and Roberts all play and our very own az member ga9ball, Greg Antonakos be barred from competing? I was at Edison SBE a few years ago when he was getting ready for his match and they summoned him on the loudspeaker to come to the tourney desk where they banned him from competing.

Brian,

Allen bars any player who finishes in the top 16 players at the most recent Turning Stone events. Unfortunately Greg got caught up in this silliness. My friend Ron Casanzio can not play in the Amateur events for the same reason.

There is no pro tour so who is a pro? Silly question to ask but true. Mike Massey was allowed to play in the BCAPL Super Senior event a few years ago. Ron Wiseman was allowed to play in the BCAPL Senior Platinum event last year. Of course both won their events. Mark Vidal won both the "Master" eight and nine ball events at the ACS National last year. He's an Amateur? It seems to me all of the amateur league operators are more concerned with the number of entries rather than giving the true amateurs an opportunity to win. Wiseman's 719 was not enough to bar him so Fargo failed at that as well. What ever happened to the "known ability" clause?

JMHO.

Lyn

 

[cookie man]

Allen Sr. and Allen Jr. may be better served by hiring a technical consultant for just this purpose. Maybe give them a pass to attend for free as payment, which would be nice.

Most of us on this forum are aware of Who's Who in the pool world. It may be that both Allens are out of the loop in 2017 -- or in the alternative, maybe the person responsible for the attendance of the amateur events have no idea what time of day it is in the pool world, which is probably the case. They hire a HUGE staff each year.

I am still wondering when some of the named players show up today for the amateur that they will be told they cannot get in after this thread. :embarrassed2:

Most of the mentioned players are there mainly for the gambling tables anyways. The tournament is a sidetrack for them
Wouldnt worry about Ike's plane flight, that ticket will be payed for by someone else.

 

[JAM]

Most of the mentioned players are there mainly for the gambling tables anyways. The tournament is a sidetrack for them
Wouldnt worry about Ike's plane flight, that ticket will be payed for by someone else.

So true. My other half won $15,000 one year on that action table.

If anybody does get eliminated at the last minute for the amateur, they could jump in the Pro/Am event. That was always a fun tournament. :smile:

 

[hang-the-9]

I guess the powers-that-be or decision-making body reads AzBilliards forum because Ike wrote on Facebook that he just received word, 6 hours before he flight leaves, that he could not compete in the amateur event. Hmm . . .

Why do players of that level even try to get in? I know that I am not a C player, I'd never try to enter a C tournament and then have someone else complain that I'm too good to play. They know they should not be eligible, why waste time trying?

May as well be cheating in a game.

 

[KRJ]

Why do players of that level even try to get in? I know that I am not a C player, I'd never try to enter a C tournament and then have someone else complain that I'm too good to play. They know they should not be eligible, why waste time trying?

May as well be cheating in a game.

Easy money for some of them, that's the only reason. Kind of like a "7" trying to play in a 5 and under event when they are out of town, or never played APA but they play like a 7 or better

Sometimes they get in, sometimes they don't. I guess, they figure no harm for trying. I'm with others, it's not that hard to have a few folks go over the list to see "who is who", and stop those in their tracks.

 

[TeeA]

Several years ago, I drew Ike in the first round of the seniors(A) event. That week he was being featured in Inside Pool Magazine with photos and commentary about his play at Derby City with a $2000 entry fee....LOL

I did finish second to him probably because he never releases the chalk...LOL

 

[hang-the-9]

Easy money for some of them, that's the only reason. Kind of like a "7" trying to play in a 5 and under event when they are out of town, or never played APA but they play like a 7 or better

Sometimes they get in, sometimes they don't. I guess, they figure no harm for trying. I'm with others, it's not that hard to have a few folks go over the list to see "who is who", and stop those in their tracks.

I guess I know why really, I just don't get the mentally to try to sneak in under your ability. I went off on one guy in a tournament that said he was a 3, guy pretty much ran out 3 9 ball racks from the break. Then he said "well I play as a 3 in league", to which I replied "so you just cheat there too". He has not been back to play with us again.

 

[Black-Balled]

Yea, he's out. I read it

How can he be out and Josh Roberts and Hennsesee are still in? Lmao

Allen jr is a slow reader?

 

[KRJ]

I guess I know why really, I just don't get the mentally to try to sneak in under your ability. I went off on one guy in a tournament that said he was a 3, guy pretty much ran out 3 9 ball racks from the break. Then he said "well I play as a 3 in league", to which I replied "so you just cheat there too". He has not been back to play with us again.

Yeah, it's kinda of "bush league" stuff. Frankly, I'm shocked that "pro" level folks or even "master" lever folks can play in the senior events. So, when all the actual "amatuers" get old, they then have to compete against the best old guys on the planet ??

 

[mikepage]

Brian,

Allen bars any player who finishes in the top 16 players at the most recent Turning Stone events. Unfortunately Greg got caught up in this silliness. My friend Ron Casanzio can not play in the Amateur events for the same reason.

There is no pro tour so who is a pro? Silly question to ask but true. Mike Massey was allowed to play in the BCAPL Super Senior event a few years ago. Ron Wiseman was allowed to play in the BCAPL Senior Platinum event last year. Of course both won their events. Mark Vidal won both the "Master" eight and nine ball events at the ACS National last year. He's an Amateur? It seems to me all of the amateur league operators are more concerned with the number of entries rather than giving the true amateurs an opportunity to win. Wiseman's 719 was not enough to bar him so Fargo failed at that as well. What ever happened to the "known ability" clause?

JMHO.

Lyn

Yes, it is a tough situation. What criteria do you use, and where do you draw the line? Here are some of the stronger players on the list.

 

[philly]

Yeah, it's kinda of "bush league" stuff. Frankly, I'm shocked that "pro" level folks or even "master" lever folks can play in the senior events. So, when all the actual "amatuers" get old, they then have to compete against the best old guys on the planet ??

That's why the "super senior division" is the toughest division in my opinion. It's loaded with old open and pro players. I qualify for the super this year but elected to stay in the "senior division."

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

Easy money for some of them, that's the only reason. Kind of like a "7" trying to play in a 5 and under event when they are out of town, or never played APA but they play like a 7 or better

Sometimes they get in, sometimes they don't. I guess, they figure no harm for trying. I'm with others, it's not that hard to have a few folks go over the list to see "who is who", and stop those in their tracks.

the first year the sbe was at The Oaks SVB and a few other pros played in the Wednesday Warmup amateur event.

lunch money raid!

 

[cookie man]

So true. My other half won $15,000 one year on that action table.

If anybody does get eliminated at the last minute for the amateur, they could jump in the Pro/Am event. That was always a fun tournament. :smile:

Some of my best memories are Kieth in the pit.

 

[AtLarge]

Yes, it is a tough situation. What criteria do you use, and where do you draw the line? ...

Here are the criteria posted on the SBE website:

• WHO IS NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY IN AN AMATEUR PLAYERS CHAMPIONSHIP:
  
  -- Top finishers(depending on field size) in the following events from the year prior to the Expo:
  • Super Billiards Expo Diamond Open 10-Ball Pro Players Championship (top 16)
  • US Open 9-Ball Championship (top 24)
  • Derby City Classic - Any Division (approx top 24, depends on fields)
  • Turning Stone Classic XXII 9-Ball Open, September (top 24)
  
  -- Any player on the most current WPBA List of Exempt Professionals The WPBA is the governing body of Women's Professional Billiards, so we will use their list of professional players. This list can be found on their website, click here
  
  -- If you are from outside the USA and recognized or generally considered as a professional in your home country, you may be disqualified if this is brought to our attention. Please respect the amateur status of this event.
  
  We reserve the right to use our own discretion in any questionable situation. If you think you are a player that any of these questions may apply to, please feel free to call and ask, you can reach us at (609)652-6116 or by email at info@superbilliardsexpo.com

Perhaps they'll switch to Fargo Ratings at some point.:smile:

 

[DelawareDogs]

Yes, it is a tough situation. What criteria do you use, and where do you draw the line? Here are some of the stronger players on the list.

Very interesting post about that list. Let's see if we can compare these numbers to who these people would actually play like.

Henney shooting a 771... Coming in at 775? Corey Deuel and Dennis Hatch. That's MC material right there folks.

Josh Roberts shooting a 763? So is Billy Thorpe, who is featured this past year as CRUSHING it at DCC.

I could go on and on. What bothers me most is I was beginning to have such respect for Roberts' game and demeanor at the table, and like someone else said.... Busch League stuff......

If I shot as good as some of the players that are causing controversy year after year, I would scoff at the thought of entering an amateur event. I would take my Hustlin sponsorship and have 'em buy me some of them big boy pants and enter the pro event.

Edit: Oh well, I just go for the laughs and to try anyway. I'll speak my peace to anyone who will listen, including Allen, when I get there. Even though this event is such a blast, hard to believe that a venue that touts "the largest consumer oriented billiards trade show in the world" also is the host of some seriously shady antics. That's pool, and I LOVE it!

 

[AtLarge]

I saw that Steve Lillis won super seniors last year--he mentions all over his site and his book how he was rated a top pro for years and years- all of a sudden he is an amateur who forgot how to play? Being 65 does not eliminate your status against other TRUE amateurs in your own age bracket- just like Runnels IMO they are not amateurs.

Lillis' current Fargo Rating is 645. Doesn't that place him well within the amateur ranks from a skill level?

And I don't think he has ever been a top pro despite the fact that he played in a lot of pro events. He did a lot of trick-shot shows, but I don't recall him ever finishing high in big pro tournaments.

 

[BasementDweller]

That might be one of the dumbest amateur status definitions I've ever seen. If that's what they have posted all these guys in question should be allowed to play if they haven't placed in those particular spots in the listed tourneys.

 

[AtLarge]

That might be one of the dumbest amateur status definitions I've ever seen. If that's what they have posted all these guys in question should be allowed to play if they haven't placed in those particular spots in the listed tourneys.

But the list does include "our own discretion," not just a high finish in one of a few recent events.

[So it is still quite subjective.]