SBE how much profit

SBE paycut

The cut in the pro event payouts is a direct result of the ABP only requiring a 8,000 purse to be a ranked event. They have no product anyway, so why add more money. This year they have free entry to watch because the money from paid entry wasnt much. You can have 1000 player amateur events and barely get anyone to go and watch pros for 10 bucks a set admission.
 
Profit in Pool Promotion

one stroke said:
I know the prize fund is lower for the Pro event this yr and many top pro's are not attending , there is always complaints that Allan keeps to much ,
So at the end of the day what do you think Allan walks away with



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One Stroke,
Im working on doing something similar and here is my opinion.

Due to Rents on floor space, equipment, legal agreements, employees and payouts, lack luster attendance possibilities...you can lose a lot of money in the first 2 yrs of doing something like this....and its unlimited how much you can lose.

If Alan Hopkins is making 500 gazillion dollars a year...he has lost money as well and he deserves everything he gets on it because his neck is out so far its unreal.

Any one who thinks he is smart enough to tame this business and doesnt go broke doing it deserves all he can take after all, they keep coming back with better and better things for Pool.

Just look at Alans event vs. the US Open. I dont think the Open went too well last year and I cant speculate on what really happened but it didnt appear money was made.

In the first 2 yrs of an event its likely that Promotional Money will be little and possibily non-existent and you better have your mess together to even ask for it.

Something like the SBE happens because of a lot of hard work, sleepless nights and risk taking.....risk is necessary to get reward but you can lose you butt too.

Alan Hopkins is the man in my opinion and I hope he can take a bath in the cash because unless he can he wont be interested in what has to go on to make all that happen.....thank god the man loves pool.....

just a few things you might have to consider...how would you like to cough up 25 to 40 k for rent? 15k for pipe and drape..not to mention bleachers....40 k or more for added money for the tournament just to get the prize fund up to where pros would come? Have to provide heat or air conditioning...the list goes on and it endless....

Just to have someone say....hes keeping too much money...in my opinion the dont make enough for him to consider not keeping...because he deserves it.
 
one stroke said:
It's a question that I have heard asked 100s of times so I thought possibly I could get a educated guess I should have known better to ask

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One,

I've guessed at Allen's income from SBE many times. In the end, it just didn't matter. Get a lot more out of the event for my entry fee(s) than I put in.

I react the same when people question income versus expenses at any major tournament. Glad the event happened and I had an opportunity to play and potentially make some money.

Concurrently, keep asking questions. A right we all have but so few exercise. It's the "no dumb question" thing.

Lyn
 
one stroke said:
It's a question that I have heard asked 100s of times so I thought possibly I could get a educated guess I should have known better to ask

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You should have known better to ask? you knew exactly what you were asking and for whatever reason

.Ok, what do you make at your job? Personally, I don't care and it shouldn't be public knowledge. Would you walk up to someone well known and say "Hey, how did you make off this event/project/etc?" Or "How much money do you make a year?".

Maybe it's me, but I find that to be very disrespectful and just lacking class. If you have to know what someone is making, either career or event wise, you have your own issues.

We can speculate what Hopkins makes, but again, who cares?
 
West Point 1987 said:
It was always my impression that SBE had higher percentage of payouts from income generated of most high-end tournaments. Alan makes money from his model, with all the vendors, the gate, the mini-tournaments, etc. Good for him. Unless I'm mistaken, the winners appear to walk away with cash instead of looking in the mailbox over the next year, his employees get paid and there's no converstation about IF the tournament will occur next year...IMHO SBE is one of the better run events and a force for good in the pool world, if a true pro tour ever gets generated, it will surely make the cut as a tour stop.
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Rep to you.
 
one stroke said:
It's a question that I have heard asked 100s of times so I thought possibly I could get a educated guess I should have known better to ask

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Mark you should have asked why people need to know, instead of coming on here and asking on what you thought was everyone else's behalf.

I have realized in the pool world that the so-called "need to know" what tournament directors, promoters and organizers make goes beyond innocent curiousity.

Pool players always feel the need to question XYZ about money because they want to make as much as possible. On the one hand, you can see their point but on the other, they are not doing anything to contribute to the integrity of the event except whine and complain about payouts, and what the TD might have made.

I don't know what Allen Hopkins makes from SBE, and I don't care. I would go one step further and state that I shouldn't care. My reason for going to the SBE is to hang out, have fun and maybe make a little $$$ for my below-average playing skills. I have been to three of them so far, and have had a great time every time.

My observations of Allen is that he always looks exhausted and worn out towards the end, so kudos to him, Cece Strain and others who put this mammoth event together.

Also, putting up with thousands of pool players for five days in a row will break anyone's back!

Hope he makes a shitload.
 
I'll echo what has already been said by a number of people in this thread...what business is it of yours how much Allen makes off of this show.

Now to add my own two cents -

I find it incredibly hypocritical to criticize someone for making money when that same person being critical is doing so because they think someone else (probably themselves if they win) should be putting more of that money in their own pocket.

Consider this...if the event was not lucrative enough for Allen to earn a decent profit, I serious doubt there would be a Super Billiards Expo at all. Allen is a nice guy, but I don't think anyone wants to put that much effort into something purely out of benevolence for their fellow pool players.

By most all accounts, the Super Billiards Expo is one of the (if not THE) best, and longest running, billiards events in the country.

If you do not think it is worth the money you spend to travel, enter the events, see some high-level billiards in a variety of disciplines, and socialize with fellow pool players, then don't go. You have every right to NOT attend and NOT participate, which would be better than insinuating that Allen "keeps too much" from an event he works so hard to organize.
 
inside_english said:
Mark you should have asked why people need to know, instead of coming on here and asking on what you thought was everyone else's behalf.

I have realized in the pool world that the so-called "need to know" what tournament directors, promoters and organizers make goes beyond innocent curiousity.

Pool players always feel the need to question XYZ about money because they want to make as much as possible. On the one hand, you can see their point but on the other, they are not doing anything to contribute to the integrity of the event except whine and complain about payouts, and what the TD might have made.

I don't know what Allen Hopkins makes from SBE, and I don't care. I would go one step further and state that I shouldn't care. My reason for going to the SBE is to hang out, have fun and maybe make a little $$$ for my below-average playing skills. I have been to three of them so far, and have had a great time every time.

My observations of Allen is that he always looks exhausted and worn out towards the end, so kudos to him, Cece Strain and others who put this mammoth event together.

Also, putting up with thousands of pool players for five days in a row will break anyone's back!

Hope he makes a shitload.
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Well you know me I could careless about what he makes or what any of the yahoos think about the question. I figured by law of averages I would get a educated answer, because I simply think its wrong for people to bash the payouts I was happy just to stumble in and get paid a couple of times and was thrilled with that money , I have sipped a few with Allan and the rest of the group after their long day I know how whooped they are and he earns every red cent he makes.
I hope he keeps doing it


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What the hell is wrong with some people!! If you want to know why don't you ask him yourself. Or you could be like the rest of the world and take the ... "It's non of your goddamn business..." approach.


FFS man pull it together :slap:
 
It's none of our damn business.

That said, I hope he makes a lot of money. A real lot of money. So much money that he will put up with all the bull--t and keep running the event year in and year out so that people like me can enjoy it.
 
one stroke said:
I know the prize fund is lower for the Pro event this yr and many top pro's are not attending , there is always complaints that Allan keeps to much ,
So at the end of the day what do you think Allan walks away with



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The lineup is sick this year. What are you talking about??

Plus many "Pros" don't need to play in the event. They just attend and enjoy it.
 
one stroke said:
I know the prize fund is lower for the Pro event this yr and many top pro's are not attending , there is always complaints that Allan keeps to much ,
So at the end of the day what do you think Allan walks away with



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If I recall correctly the pro players have no room to complain... Alan takes exactly $0 from the pro event entry fees unless they are paid late. 64 players x $500 = $32,000 + $8,000 added = $40,000 prize fund...!!! So he puts on an event for them, adds $8,000, gives them all 4 day expo passes for free, pays event set up and staff... What exactly has Alan taken from the pro players other than the $17,000 in added money the ABP said he didn't have to pay this year? Ridiculous that these guys feel they are being wronged in any way...!!!

Now the amateur open event... $75 - $25 for your 4 day expo pass = $50 entry fee... 1st place is guaranteed $5,000... 10-1,20-1, 30-1? NOPE!!! 100-1 to win an amateur tournament. Can any one really complain? The only legitimate gripe I agree with is only 6.25% of the field cashes... But guess what? We know this going in... If you don't like it don't play! But most most of all if you play don't cry about it later because you couldn't make the cash.

The thoughts on AZ tonight are killing me... LOL
 
RunoutJJ said:
What the hell is wrong with some people!! If you want to know why don't you ask him yourself. Or you could be like the rest of the world and take the ... "It's non of your goddamn business..." approach.


FFS man pull it together :slap:
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What he said :thumbup2:
 
one stroke said:
I know the prize fund is lower for the Pro event this yr and many top pro's are not attending , there is always complaints that Allan keeps to much ,
So at the end of the day what do you think Allan walks away with



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Why, did Allen ask you how much you brought home with your last pay check or something?...so he could compare notes;) What difference does it make? Do you play in the PRO events?
 
My dentist is making a lot of damn money. I know.

He goes deep sea fishing all of the time, does big time hunting, makes all kinds of trips with his family and has several employees that appear to be doing real good. Some of them have been with him for 20 years. You know he has to be paying them real good.

I know he is making a "ton" off of me alone. I don't like how much he charges me for a root canal and then a crown on top of that, let along those multiple cleaning visits every year.

And on top of that, I sometimes think that I might be a bit jealous of all that equipment he keeps buying and what about all those toys he has, even though he doesn't brag about them to me.

You know what, I'm just going to let those teeth fall out one at a time. I'll show him.
 
vapoolplayer said:
If your boss told you he was cutting your pay in half tomorrow, would you go to work?
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Depends on how bad you need the money and if you can get another job. If the answers are "a lot" and "no" then probably so. Also, if my job is playing pool, then the answer is more likely to be "yes."
 
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