Schon cues don't sell

oldneo

oldneo

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I have a question, I have noticed that schon cues don't really sell well only older schons fetch a price and even they don't go for much maybe a couple of hundred dollars, you would think that if you paid say 1500.00 for a schon limited you might get something in the 900.00 range but you can't if your lucky you might get 500.00.

So what do you do with a cue that you don't really want but can't take such a huge loss on. I'll tell you what to do you send it to someone and have them tear it apart and fix everything that is wrong with the cue.
 
To me, the only Schons worth paying a lot of money for are the S Series and the R Series. The new ones are good cues, the old ones are great cues. The Runde era cue have an amazing balance to them. Solid feel. A little heavier in the back. IMO.
 
Does everyone know that Evan Clarke was making the cues at the same time as Runde......so the Runde era was also the Clark era.

Does everyone also know that the first pantographed cues (round points, inlays, etc) were done by Runde as well?
 
Matt_24 said:
Does everyone know that Evan Clarke was making the cues at the same time as Runde......so the Runde era was also the Clark era.

Does everyone also know that the first pantographed cues (round points, inlays, etc) were done by Runde as well?
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coooooooooorect! it get's alittle annoying to me as well, finally someone says something about it!
 
I dunno?, this thread at first sounded like a slam on Schon for some reason? All the info is exactly right so far about the Eras. Why people make such a big deal is silly IMO....I think its to start interest for re-sale. I have played with and sold Schons for EVER.....Clarks and Rundes, and I NEVER had one returned. Schons are solid cues period.

(almost) All cues are down in value at the moment. Take the drop in value across the board in a percentage and it makes more sense. Also, if anyone has a Schon that sold new for $1500 and is in great shape, but wants to sell it for $500, PM me!

G.
 
Matt_24 said:
Does everyone know that Evan Clarke was making the cues at the same time as Runde......so the Runde era was also the Clark era.

Does everyone also know that the first pantographed cues (round points, inlays, etc) were done by Runde as well?
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I have nothing against Evan and have never met Bob. Until reading on AZ about the era's I never knew there was a Bob era and and Evan era. However I can attest to one thing from a personal standpoint only.

All the Schon cues I bought from Danny Barouty that were made while Bob Runde was there played like fluid gold in my hands and all the ones I bought from other sources in later years didn't feel so good. Still solid, still great balance, just not "as special"

The WAY I heard it from Gregory Koblenz, who showed up at Schon one year with a briefcase and said in his slightly Russian/German accent as he opened up the briefcase full of money, "I vant to buy some cues", is that Bob Runde wanted Schon to make no more than 995 cues a year and Terry Romine wanted to expand to much more than that. So Bob left and Evan took over.

So, my questions are, one, is the above story an accurate description of why Bob left and Evan took over? and two, Are the cues being made the same way now as when Bob was in charge?

Question number two is probably the more important one because while Evan was there while Bob was in charge that doesn't mean that Evan continued the construction process in the same way.

So a Bob Runde Schon may indeed feel different than an Evan Clark Schon - not better or worse, just different. As opposed to a Jerry Franklin SouthWest and a Laurie Franklin SouthWest which (and I know there is disagreement here) should feel just the same because the cues are made with the same construction process as when Jerry was there.

I'd appreciate the answers so I can stop thinking about these things and pass on the correct info from here on out.
 
We know, we've been told!

Matt_24 said:
Does everyone know that Evan Clarke was making the cues at the same time as Runde......so the Runde era was also the Clark era.

Does everyone also know that the first pantographed cues (round points, inlays, etc) were done by Runde as well?
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Yes we do know this, they are all Schons made in the time that it was Even Clark and Bob Runde.

I also feel that I am entitled to which I prefer to buy with my money. It is not disrespectful to Evan that I would collect his and Bob's early work especially when it's proven to not only hold it's value but appreciate.

I can certainly like the hit better becasue that is subjective as well, maybe it's the 20+ year old shaft wood. All I know is if you tell Alex Pagulayan that his R-12 is not constructed as well as the new Schons he wouldn't care.

Things like this happen all the time in businesses involving collectors. Look at Comics. Early Spiderman comics with a different artist can be called McFarlane era and demand more of a price than new ones. It certaily doesn't mean the art is better. In fact the last issue done by one artist can demand far more than the very next issue.

Anyway don't stress so much on Evans behalf. His product speaks for itself.
 
I don't know ANYTHING about the way Schon cues are made now or before. I DO know that I really liked the old Schon four pointers, some of the best playing cues made back then. I preferred them to Meucci's, McDermotts, Vikings and any other so called production cue out there. And the prices were about the same.

I am ALWAYS in the market for older "Runde" era Schons, so I think they do have value. If you have one of these cues, please PM me. Thanks.
 
oldneo said:
I have a question, I have noticed that schon cues don't really sell well only older schons fetch a price and even they don't go for much maybe a couple of hundred dollars, you would think that if you paid say 1500.00 for a schon limited you might get something in the 900.00 range but you can't if your lucky you might get 500.00.

So what do you do with a cue that you don't really want but can't take such a huge loss on. I'll tell you what to do you send it to someone and have them tear it apart and fix everything that is wrong with the cue.
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What's "wrong" with it that you think it has to be torn apart?

All the Schons I have ever owned have been super solid players. I think that Schon is one of the few production cues that play jam up right out of the box - no tweaking needed.

But the key word here for resale is "production". When Schons were not widely available then resale was good - now Schons are available from many outlets and that means that there will be discounts on new ones as well as a steady supply of them on the secondary market. Lower retail prices combined with more competition in the used sector means that used prices will be lower. Simple supply and demand.

Of course with Schon there is also in some circles (AZ) the idea that "Runde" era ones are better than "Clark" era ones which probably irks Evan Clark to no end. So that idea will affect the market for some folks.

At the local level though most people won't be aware of these things and they will just give what the market will bear.

As an example, in my local pool room in AK I couldn't get $400 for a Gilbert $600 four pointer that would go for better than $700 on AZ. On the other hand I could easily get $450 for an $800 Schon. Welcome to the real world where nothing ever works out like you think it ought to.
 
I love the STL-1,
They can mod them on order so that yours can be a little bit different than everyone elses. Great cue, great value!!
 
JB Cases said:
Are the cues being made the same way now as when Bob was in charge?

Question number two is probably the more important one because while Evan was there while Bob was in charge that doesn't mean that Evan continued the construction process in the same way.
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The answer to this is no. They are being made much differently now. If you get a chance to look at the Blue Book of Cues 3rd edition it has some good information on the history of Schon.
 
When looking at a Schon, you need to realize that the $1500 price is something very similar to a MSRP price. Most authorized dealers get huge discounts when you order Schons from them. You just need to find the right dealer who is just looking to make a quick score versus the guy that is trying to make a living selling them. There is a difference.

I bought an Elite model some years back and the price on the Schon website was $1350. I looked at that as a "MSRP" price. I talked to a few authorized dealers and finally had one order mine. I ended up paying something like $838 (tax gave it the strange number). I don't remember the percentage I paid in tax, but if it were 6.5%, I paid about $785 for the cue.

When looking at $785 from the original $1350, I paid about 58% of the "MSRP" price or had 42% knocked off. I used the cue for about 2-3 years and ended up selling it for $800. I never thought I would get that much and moved it right away when the interested party had the cash. So in all reality, it wouldn't surprise me to see "$1500 cues" selling for $500.
 
All I'm saying is...it should just be titled "early era" Schon. I don't care which ones people like. Obviously the sharp points are collectors items.....but it is truly just an "early" era Schon. Not a Runde era, because I would suspect Clarke had just as much work in one of those cues as Bob. I mean....whatever floats peoples boats as far as terminology...I'm just saying.
 
srs314 said:
Yes we do know this, they are all Schons made in the time that it was Even Clark and Bob Runde.

I also feel that I am entitled to which I prefer to buy with my money. It is not disrespectful to Evan that I would collect his and Bob's early work especially when it's proven to not only hold it's value but appreciate.

I can certainly like the hit better becasue that is subjective as well, maybe it's the 20+ year old shaft wood. All I know is if you tell Alex Pagulayan that his R-12 is not constructed as well as the new Schons he wouldn't care.

Things like this happen all the time in businesses involving collectors. Look at Comics. Early Spiderman comics with a different artist can be called McFarlane era and demand more of a price than new ones. It certaily doesn't mean the art is better. In fact the last issue done by one artist can demand far more than the very next issue.

Anyway don't stress so much on Evans behalf. His product speaks for itself.
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Alex uses a 314 on his Schon anyway......

Early Spiderman would be either Ditko or John Romita. McFarlane didn't hit his reign on Spidey until the late 80's. In between Romita and McFarlane you had too many artists to name. Of course, the artist who draws a comic and gains popularity increases the value of the issue as far as a collector's item. Because "art" is the big drawing factor in a comic.

With Schons though. People yell "Runde" era. Well, was it just because Runde was working for Schon during the time? Was he making every point blank? Laying in every inlay? Was he doing 20% of the work? Who knows...but Clarke was there from the beginning and doing just as much work on the cues.

That is why, I think the appropriate terminology for someone buying the "sharp" pointed cues as a collectors item should simply be early era Schon....or perhaps Golden Age Schon. Yeah, that has a nice ring to it.

All in all though......who really cares. It is fun to discuss and think about to cue/pool nerds like us - but in the end, buy what makes you happy...call it what makes you happy. Runde era, new era, whatever....
 
oldneo said:
I have a question, I have noticed that schon cues don't really sell well only older schons fetch a price and even they don't go for much maybe a couple of hundred dollars, you would think that if you paid say 1500.00 for a schon limited you might get something in the 900.00 range but you can't if your lucky you might get 500.00.

So what do you do with a cue that you don't really want but can't take such a huge loss on. I'll tell you what to do you send it to someone and have them tear it apart and fix everything that is wrong with the cue.
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who'd you send it to and what'd you have changed?
 
oldneo said:
I have a question, I have noticed that schon cues don't really sell well only older schons fetch a price and even they don't go for much maybe a couple of hundred dollars, you would think that if you paid say 1500.00 for a schon limited you might get something in the 900.00 range but you can't if your lucky you might get 500.00.

So what do you do with a cue that you don't really want but can't take such a huge loss on. I'll tell you what to do you send it to someone and have them tear it apart and fix everything that is wrong with the cue.
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UMMMM...... SO....... don't buy a Schon then????:shrug:
 
as far as i know many world chapionships have been won with schon cues,seems to me johnny archer played his best with his ,which was not runde era,james walden one of the greatest money players went to court to get his clark era cue back when a traveling companion took it.i can't tell you how many great players i have seen playing schons in tournament and money games,but if i were to guess ,it would be more than any other.

i have never seen a serious player playing a gina,joss west,searing,tascarella or many others in the last 20 years,i have owned several ginas and joss cues that i traded schons for because the players liked my clark era schon more than they did their joss east or gina cues. i am talking about trading even.i have even turned down trades for the schon i was playing with for a stroud joss.
Now i am not saying these cues have no value,they do.But if i were in a serious game i prefer schon to play with,and i prefer the new ones to the old.Jack Potter told me that he thought i was right too,and he knows cues,he made the LIBRA cues.
Now i have had schons that didn't play so good as the others but that is wood,mytery of wood,but if i had to bet i would take 10 schons and the hit would be consistent.

after market sales and return on investment can vary,sometimes. i made profits,sometimes i lost money when i sold them,I always had a funny habit if i lost money with a cue gambling ,i sold the cue because it was a loser.i bought another schon,the hit was always close and got back on track.this kept me from thinking i was a loser,so if you want a good buy on a cue just wait till i lose,it will be firesalw time

oh at the present time i am playing the deano that was on thr az,i don't even own a schon but its not because i don't want one,i have been trying for months to get evan to make me an ebony box cue and he keeps stalling.truth is i want mitred points or corners and he keeps explaining that his new technology makes them better now than ever,he ask me questions like do i think a 57 chevy is better than a new one etc.i know that there are people on az who think they really know cues but if anyone knows more than evan i would be surprised ,especially when it comes to schons i think the new are the best buy for the money.
 
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coryjeb said:
UMMMM...... SO....... don't buy a Schon then????:shrug:
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schon cues sell fine on here. as long as you didn't get into it for the retail price. all production cues move a little slugish on this forum. everyone's a cue snob
 
poolplayer2093 said:
schon cues sell fine on here. as long as you didn't get into it for the retail price. all production cues move a little slugish on this forum. everyone's a cue snob
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Oh, I didn't mean it that way. I think a Schon is a fine cue. Yes, maybe it doesn't hold its' value like some other cues, but doesn't the person know that going into it??? I meant it more as a "poke" to another one of "these" threads, which I shouldn't have commented on.
 
deanoc said:
as far as i know many world chapionships have been won with schon cues,seems to me johnny archer played his best with his ,which was not runde era,james walden one of the greatest money players went to court to get his clark era cue back when a traveling companion took it.i can't tell you how many great players i have seen playing schons in tournament and money games,but if i were to guess ,it would be more than any other.

i have never seen a serious player playing a gina,joss west,searing,tascarella or many others in the last 20 years,i have owned several ginas and joss cues that i traded schons for because the players liked my clark era schon more than they did their joss east or gina cues. i am talking about trading even.i have even turned down trades for the schon i was playing with for a stroud joss.
Now i am not saying these cues have no value,they do.But if i were in a serious game i prefer schon to play with,and i prefer the new ones to the old.Jack Potter told me that he thought i was right too,and he knows cues,he made the LIBRA cues.
Now i have had schons that didn't play so good as the others but that is wood,mytery of wood,but if i had to bet i would take 10 schons and the hit would be consistent.

after market sales and return on investment can vary,sometimes. i made profits,sometimes i lost money when i sold them,I always had a funny habit if i lost money with a cue gambling ,i sold the cue because it was a loser.i bought another schon,the hit was always close and got back on track.this kept me from thinking i was a loser,so if you want a good buy on a cue just wait till i lose,it will be firesalw time

oh at the present time i am playing the deano that was on thr az,i don't even own a schon but its not because i don't want one,i have been trying for months to get evan to make me an ebony box cue and he keeps stalling.truth is i want mitred points or corners and he keeps explaining that his new technology makes them better now than ever,he ask me questions like do i think a 57 chevy is better than a new one etc.i know that there are people on az who think they really know cues but if anyone knows more than evan i would be surprised ,especially when it comes to schons i think the new are the best buy for the money.
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Great post. Schons play great!!

The first time I played for $100 I had a Schon cue....and it was a really big bet to me (hey..still don't want to lose $100 to this day, LOL) then because I didn't make much money. The guy wanting to play me definitely thought he was stealing - and maybe on most days he would have been. But on that day I played over my head, and beat him 9-2 and he quit after one set. I was running out from everywhere with a basic Schon cue/Schon shaft/Schon tip.

The bad thing is, later on the manager of the pool room wanted to buy it from me. He gave me $100 down......and never did pay me the rest. He just disappeared. I learned a valuable lesson that time.

The very first Schon cue I had was a gift from my mom. It was a Limited edition and I babied that cue. I would love to find it again. I haven't seen one like it in 10 years. Anyhow, a guy had this great Bludworth Sneaky pete. This was when Bluds were real popular playing cues and they do hit good. I loved the hit, so he offered me the Sneaky plus several hundred for my Schon. At the time I was a bit busted....so that good playing cue plus a few hundred looked real good. Now, I could kick myself for doing that. Live and learn.

I've been through quite a few different Schons since then....but I would love to have that first one back. The best looking Schon I had was a Golden Era Schon - but it was also (to me) the WORST playing, no matter what kind of Shaft I used, etc. I tried and tried, but eventually sold it. The new era Schons by FAR play the best in my opinion.

Man..maybe I need another Schon.
 
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