Schon cues don't sell
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What I would change on the schon
I would change the joint to an ivory joint and the pin would be a brass radial and change the shafts to ivory ferrules also for whatever reason Rvan or his crew decided that it would be a good idea to glue the weight bolt in, the cue is ass end heavy I would like the weight a little more forward balanced other than those things it's beautiful cue.
So that's what I'm considering doing to me the cue would have a better feel to it, thanks for all the post great information in here, also for the gentleman that said don't buy a schon back then I didn't know any better if I had known then what I know now I would never had bought that cue.
I would change the joint to an ivory joint and the pin would be a brass radial and change the shafts to ivory ferrules also for whatever reason Rvan or his crew decided that it would be a good idea to glue the weight bolt in, the cue is ass end heavy I would like the weight a little more forward balanced other than those things it's beautiful cue.
So that's what I'm considering doing to me the cue would have a better feel to it, thanks for all the post great information in here, also for the gentleman that said don't buy a schon back then I didn't know any better if I had known then what I know now I would never had bought that cue.
Out of curiosity, if 12 cues were painted solid black with three of them being early era Schons and nine the present day Schons who would bet they could hit balls and pick out the three early era ones and how much would you bet? Further, using the same analogy but substituting three similar cues but made by a different cue maker(s) who would bet they could pick the three non Schons and how much would you bet and will those wanting to bet be at Derby City?
At one point in my earlier years, I to, like you, didn't even know that there were custom cues out there. I was just a guy who loved the game, and 99% of the cues I did see were either what I call flea market cues, Meucci's McDermotts, etc. I bought a Meucci Originals 2 pointer 20+ years ago for $180 with one shaft! I think the dealer actually sold them for more than the MSRP. I didn't know better.
That was the last cue I bought for full retail price.
If you want to sell any newer production cue on the secondary market, you will be lucky to get 50% of the MSRP. Many of the production cue companies, as mentioned earlier, give substantial discounts to dealers, some I have heard, up to 55%. So when you want to sell a used cue, you almost have to start at that 50% ballpark.
Just my opinion. Most of us have felt your pain at least once before we were became more well informed.
That was the last cue I bought for full retail price.
If you want to sell any newer production cue on the secondary market, you will be lucky to get 50% of the MSRP. Many of the production cue companies, as mentioned earlier, give substantial discounts to dealers, some I have heard, up to 55%. So when you want to sell a used cue, you almost have to start at that 50% ballpark.
Just my opinion. Most of us have felt your pain at least once before we were became more well informed.
Very good point and I doubt that a lot of people know this. I think Bob Runde wanted to get into more custom style cues and when he had the chance to move away from Schon for a profit and make what he wants when he wants to he did. I've owned Schon cues and I think they are good and I've owned a couple of Runde's custom cues and I like them also. A Schon will do what ever you want to do in pool, but it's classified as a production cue by most people so the custom cue guys want something more than a Schon. I currently own an ivory pointed Bob Runde cue that I like a lot, but I don't think it pockets balls any better than a nice Schon cue!Matt_24 said:
James
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You are correct and I didn't mean to imply that it was the hit of the old Schon vs the new for Alex. But Alex could afford to put any butt on that predator shaft and chose to stick with his R-12.Matt_24 said:
My point was the same as yours really that the playing cue choice is mostly player preferance. Everyone is different which is why there is a market for difffernt hitting cues all sorts of tapers and tips...
I 'm not sure how much construction each of the guys was doing in that Era. I know there is a little info in the Blue Book which I don't have handy right now to look it up. I also know there are custom cuemakers that haven't touched an unfinished piece of wood in years yet their name is still on it.
I think there was something to the R series Schons having some connection with Runde and perhaps that is where the naming of it came?
Maybe someone here knows the Schon history and story behind this. It would be great to hear!
oldneo said:
Didnt you test hit the cue before you bought it to get a feel for how the cue played? If you dont like it, sell it. There is always someone looking for a Schon..myself included. I currently have 14 older Schons and they play great. Matter of fact, one Schon I have has Ivory Ferruls and an Ivory joint...It plays really really good, just a different feel than the stainless joint.
My suggestion is, if you know what type of materials you like and want, find a reputable cuemaker and have them make a Custom Fitted Cue...(lol, had to put that in there....you go Eddie Wheat:thumbup:
Gurnee_Steve
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New Runde vs. Runde Schon
I'd love to own a Runde era Schon if I could find one at a reasonable price. What I do have is 2 Runde custom cues: A steel jointed with 2 shafts made in 2007...a nice ebony/ivory combination with some fancy stitch work & leather wrap; and a phenolic jointed 1 shaft cue that is undated...also ebony/ivory without the stitch work & leather wrap. I really like the hit of the phenolic jointed cue and plan on getting another shaft made (I'm lucky enough to have a good friend that's good friends with Bob). I had a ivory jointed Runde that I sold to a friend and it plays like the phenolic jointed...I'm gonna buy it back from him someday when he's down on his luck.
Can anybody tell me how my cues compare to the Runde Schon's: Hit, collectibility, appreciation, etc?
Thanks
I'd love to own a Runde era Schon if I could find one at a reasonable price. What I do have is 2 Runde custom cues: A steel jointed with 2 shafts made in 2007...a nice ebony/ivory combination with some fancy stitch work & leather wrap; and a phenolic jointed 1 shaft cue that is undated...also ebony/ivory without the stitch work & leather wrap. I really like the hit of the phenolic jointed cue and plan on getting another shaft made (I'm lucky enough to have a good friend that's good friends with Bob). I had a ivory jointed Runde that I sold to a friend and it plays like the phenolic jointed...I'm gonna buy it back from him someday when he's down on his luck.
Can anybody tell me how my cues compare to the Runde Schon's: Hit, collectibility, appreciation, etc?
Thanks
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Evan is definately proud of his work as he should be. I think it bothers him that the early cues are so popular amung collectors.deanoc said:
As a player just because the cue is constructed better doesn't mean I will like the hit better, that is up to me.
I'm sure a 2009 Kia is better made today than the 57 Chevy? Of course but I would still rather drive that 57 Chevy!
Just so you know, there are many posters on here that are some of the best custom cue makers in the world so yes they really know cues.
Evan is a producation cue manufacturer who does runs of the same cue, just like J&J, Meucci... He may have the best mass producation cue product out there, it is certainly one of the most popular.
I and many collectors want work that is more custom and hands on than his current method of building cues. He makes a great product I just don't want to see 100 people with the same cue as me when I pay $1000 plus.
Just my opinions.
Doug said:
I'd bet that there are a few people who could do it. But we have had this discussion in another thread and it's really all about personal preference.
IF there were no difference then people wouldn't be saying there is one.
I once had a Meucci cue that I loved. It was stolen from the poolroom and I ordered the same model and it arrived a week later. I HATED the way the replacement felt.
There is no doubt that changing the construction changes the way the cue hits. Is it change for the better or not? Well that's for each person to decide for themselves.
When I got my first Schon I thought it was the very best thing I ever had in my hands. In fact I have rarely felt a cue in the last 18 years that ever played as good as that Schon. But my experience to that point was McDermotts, Meuccis and Dufferins with one Joe Piccone in there. So it's with some nostalgia that I think of that cue.
Someone today who buys a new Schon may very well have the same near-religious experience that I had with mine back then.
Now, having said that would I play with a new Schon? Yes I would and I am sure that I could play well with it. Would I think that it felt as nice as my old one? No I wouldn't but that's just my personal feeling on the matter. I also miss my old D-1 McDermott as well.
But as far as the bet goes, I'd put Tracy Joe Salazar or Danny Barouty in the box for a small amount to see if they could identify the three old Schons out of ten cues by hit alone. Otherwise I don't think that there are very many more people with as extensive experience with Schon from the beginning.
ok... here's my question(s) I have an older schon (not sure how old) I think from VERY early ninety's possible before. I bought it used in 97 or so and it was several years old then. It is a plain 4 pointer, rosewood and the point are "rounded" with a matching butt sleve. White (delirn?) butt cap. The original shaft has NO markings/words other than than the simple silver ring that matches the same in the butt.
1. what years were the "runde" era?
2. what year did the "rounded" points begin?
3. How can I tell the era of my Schon (the logo on the butt perhaps?)
whatever era it came from, it plays great!
1. what years were the "runde" era?
2. what year did the "rounded" points begin?
3. How can I tell the era of my Schon (the logo on the butt perhaps?)
whatever era it came from, it plays great!
The values of Schons:
Most of the previous posts are the reasons I have gone away from using a Schon. I bought my first one, a SP-49 for $300 used it a few years and sold it for $400. Then I moved into the Elite. I bought it for $840 and sold is a few years later for $800.
I now shoot with a Joss West. I figure the cues are fairly compariable but the JW would hold its value. Now, I am tempted to sell the JW and move elsewhere. I carry a Joss sneaky pete in my trunk and use that whenever needed. A Joss and Schon hit pretty much identical and you can save a lot of money but purchasing a plain Joss. You won't lose as much money this way either.
Most of the previous posts are the reasons I have gone away from using a Schon. I bought my first one, a SP-49 for $300 used it a few years and sold it for $400. Then I moved into the Elite. I bought it for $840 and sold is a few years later for $800.
I now shoot with a Joss West. I figure the cues are fairly compariable but the JW would hold its value. Now, I am tempted to sell the JW and move elsewhere. I carry a Joss sneaky pete in my trunk and use that whenever needed. A Joss and Schon hit pretty much identical and you can save a lot of money but purchasing a plain Joss. You won't lose as much money this way either.
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This is why many manufacturers can exist and succeed in the same market.Only ERO's said:
I really like Schon cues old or new to me they have always manufactured a great product.
I know from talking to Alex that the reason he loves his Schon is that the balance and weight are perfect FOR HIM plus he is very picky about the thickness of the grip. Mostly it has value because it was a gift from one of his best friends. Alex could win Championships with a variety of different cues but he had found one at that time to stick with. He is now involved with Fury and using one of their cues.
Anytime you're in a rush to sell a cue it's difficult to break even on the retail value considering it's used. Schons seem to hold their value and are very popular, thus are the easiest to resell.
In case no one noticed lately the market and economy have been pretty crappy over all.
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Didn't Schon change their joint pin/collar configuration years ago?
Schons dont sell ???
Different strokes, different folks. Some like phenolic wood-wood joint. Some like s/s or ivory. Some like Moori mediums, some Wizard or even instroke tips. I have never had a problem selling a Schon cue from either the eighties, nineties or even 2000. Own several now they all hit damn good to me. Runde and Clarke era. For resale the spliced forearm cue has great resale due to no longer in production. Give me a rounded point Schon and I can make balls just as well as the earlier spliced version. If anyone has any limited edition 1500 Schons for sale for 500 please contact hotrod first. I will be glad to help you out. Dont like Schon, go buy you an original Balabushka. I heard they hit ok and have good resale value to boot.
Different strokes, different folks. Some like phenolic wood-wood joint. Some like s/s or ivory. Some like Moori mediums, some Wizard or even instroke tips. I have never had a problem selling a Schon cue from either the eighties, nineties or even 2000. Own several now they all hit damn good to me. Runde and Clarke era. For resale the spliced forearm cue has great resale due to no longer in production. Give me a rounded point Schon and I can make balls just as well as the earlier spliced version. If anyone has any limited edition 1500 Schons for sale for 500 please contact hotrod first. I will be glad to help you out. Dont like Schon, go buy you an original Balabushka. I heard they hit ok and have good resale value to boot.
Who on here do you think could identify 1 older spliced point Schon butt mixed in with 9 newer Schon butts if the butts (all of the same weight and balance point) were say, wrapped in brown paper so they could not be seen, and the same shaft were used on all 10 cues? And Im not talking about a 1 try thing.... if its so distinguishable that it could be easily done, maybe take that 1 in 10 chance and repeat the results 5 times..... or more with perfect results (the person picks the spliced point cue)..... shouldnt be a problem should it?JB Cases said:
I would be HIGHLY impressed if someone got lucky and hit it once or more in that test..... and again, that IMO would be luck/probability rather than skill of being able to feel any difference.
Chuck