Schuler Cue Out of Business??
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Not surprised
That doesn't surprise me a bit.
That doesn't surprise me a bit.
http://www.schulercue.com/
I wouldnt think so...... They do alot of business with the european market on 3 cushion cues etc, so even if the American market was slow on their cues, they should be fine.
Was whoever you heard it from under the impression that they closed when Ray died?
Chuck
I wouldnt think so...... They do alot of business with the european market on 3 cushion cues etc, so even if the American market was slow on their cues, they should be fine.
Was whoever you heard it from under the impression that they closed when Ray died?
Chuck
I received a post card regarding liquidation of some equipment a couple weeks back. Assume a lot of cuemakers received the same. Didn't say "out of business".
bignasty said:they are outsourcing the work to china from what i hear! ray must be rolling over in his grave!
I don't see why? Ray Schuler never struck me as a "wrap yourself in the flag" kind of guy. But then again I only met him a few times.
I don't know why it's ok to make comments like this. Seems to me that that the largest collector of cues in the world is Chinese. (Taiwanese)
I'd be willing to bet LARGE that the American cue makers would not trade their foreign sales for zero imports.
We live on a ball and all have to share.
A friend of mine makes JAM UP cues that look and play as good as anything made anywhere else on Earth. He just recently bought a boatload of wood and supplies from Atlas and various other suppliers in the USA. I think he told me it was around $20,000 in supplies.
I am really sick of this bash China crap and it's NOT because I make stuff in China. It's because the people here are people just like everyone else and if we don't want World War 3 then we need to learn to LIVE in harmony with them instead of constantly denigrating them.
Don't you realize that America was once Europe's sweatshop? And let's not even start in on the whole slavery based economy.
Schuler may be out of business, they may be restructuring, and they MIGHT be having cues made elsewhere. But it's THEIR business and their responsibility to uphold the quality level that Ray created. If they don't do THAT then would say that's disrespectful to Ray, not just by making cues elsewhere.
my schuler cue is old as the hills and i love it!!.
the regulations in america are the best thig to ever happen to China, cant blame the Chinese-blame the American lawyers running things from DC are the reason China is now in business(to a extent). But thats another topic.
I hope that they are successful in their new venture and keep making good stuff.
the regulations in america are the best thig to ever happen to China, cant blame the Chinese-blame the American lawyers running things from DC are the reason China is now in business(to a extent). But thats another topic.
I hope that they are successful in their new venture and keep making good stuff.
JB Cases said:
Take a deep breath John, while it doesn't matter to you many Americans are tired of seeing job's and the manufacturing bases leave and head east. This is not helping the US economy a lick, while Schuler cue is nothing but a snow flake in comparison to the ice bergs that are pulling up stakes here it still hurts.
I am one of those who would like to see America default on it's loans to the rest of the World. This would put an end to these movements, simply because no would continue to export to us. While this would certainly be devastating in the beginning it would force the Nation to rebuild it's manufacturing infrastructure. I do not see any other way to deal with all problems America is facing, this Nation must become self reliant again or cease to exist. There is no other way to keep our own people employed.
Take Care John
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RiverCity said:
No, he said it happened a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn't have posted anything except a google search turned up a notice of auction held on January 14 listing a lot of lathes, CNC and stuff, so I thought it must be true (Jack Madden mentioned this in his earlier post, but didn't think it meant "out of business"). As another poster mentioned, they may be just outsourcing their manufacturing or streamlining in some way. Their website is still up. If this is a false rumor about their going out of business, I apologize for saying anything.
JB Cases said:I don't see why? Ray Schuler never struck me as a "wrap yourself in the flag" kind of guy. But then again I only met him a few times.
By your own admission your not qualified to judge.
I don't know why it's ok to make comments like this.
It's that FREEDOM of SPEECH thing...
Seems to me that that the largest collector of cues in the world is Chinese. (Taiwanese)
What % was made where we have FREEDOM of SPEECH?
I'd be willing to bet LARGE that the American cue makers would not trade their foreign sales for zero imports.
Relevance??
We live on a ball and all have to share.
You know cases
A friend of mine makes JAM UP cues that look and play as good as anything made anywhere else on Earth.
Is he in FLA? Does he specialize in custom fitting his cues? Did i state that you know cases?
He just recently bought a boatload of wood and supplies from Atlas and various other suppliers in the USA.
Boatload as a "lot"?
I think he told me it was around $20,000 in supplies.
Musta been a small boat, eh?
I am really sick of this bash China crap and it's NOT because I make stuff in China. It's because the people here are people just like everyone else and if we don't want World War 3 then we need to learn to LIVE in harmony with them instead of constantly denigrating them.
You know cases.
Don't you realize that America was once Europe's sweatshop?
And DA CUBS were once WORLD CHAMPEEEENS.
And let's not even start in on the whole slavery based economy.
Why are you bringing it up?
Schuler may be out of business, they may be restructuring, and they MIGHT be having cues made elsewhere.
That's solid.
But it's THEIR business and their responsibility to uphold the quality level that Ray created. If they don't do THAT then would say that's disrespectful to Ray, not just by making cues elsewhere.
You DO know cases(circumlocution is, with modern medicine, controllable:yeah: )
Manufacturing left this country because of greed. Greed from the makers and manufacturers wanting to be able to make more return on their products. Greed from wholesalers and retailers for the same reason.... look at Walmart, its buy as low as you can, and either sell as high as you can, or cut everybody elses throat and make the money on volume. And greed so to speak of the American people. Everybody wants to save their pennies, and there is no harm there. But as people quit buying American made goods, and started supporting off shore manufacturing to save a little here and there, it snowballed into what it is today.manwon said:
I grew up in a steel mill town that supplied Detroit with alot of the steel they used to use in the auto industry. I went to trade school to be a machinist, and by the time I graduated guess what.... A large Japanese firm bought the mill, and stopped all production. Moved it off shore. All they left operating was the coke plant. Left a bitter taste in my mouth for a long time. Worked in the job shops for a while, but then had to change my line of work because I could not make a decent living doing what I wanted to do.
Why did the steel mill basically close down? Ask all those Americans buying Toyotas and Hondas etc. If the finger is to be pointed, point it in the right direction. Americans are at fault, not the countries that now have the industries.
Chuck
I'd be willing to bet LARGE that the American cue makers would not trade their foreign sales for zero imports.
You have no clue how wrong you are.
I am really sick of this bash China crap and it's NOT because I make stuff in China. It's because the people here are people just like everyone else and if we don't want World War 3 then we need to learn to LIVE in harmony with them instead of constantly denigrating them.
It is not a matter of denigrating "them" it is a matter of money. My Dough does not go overseas.
You have no clue how wrong you are.
I am really sick of this bash China crap and it's NOT because I make stuff in China. It's because the people here are people just like everyone else and if we don't want World War 3 then we need to learn to LIVE in harmony with them instead of constantly denigrating them.
It is not a matter of denigrating "them" it is a matter of money. My Dough does not go overseas.
Dear Lord.bignasty said:they are outsourcing the work to china from what i hear! ray must be rolling over in his grave!
RiverCity said:
Chuck, I don't really care who's fault it is, at this point blame is not even important. A solution is the only thing that matters, and the easiest solution is to default on the Debt's owed to the countries who are supporting our economy and buying up our country. If we defualt and simple say that we can't afford to pay all the loans all imports will cease over night. In fact ships will be turned around Mid-water and start heading back where they came from. Will the countries of the world invade to collect their debt, not likely due to our superior fire power. So they will in the end no longer trade with us, will this hurt, it certainly will, will we survive yes we will. The only solution at that point is to rebuild our National manufacturing base, we have the people, we have the raw materials, and we will certainly have the time at that point.
I do not think that there is another way to end the migration and rebuild our manufacturing base. In my opinion this is the best thing that can happen to America, and the sooner the better.!!
Take care Chuck!!!
ribdoner said:
Adam, if shit go's south I will not be in a Foxhole, I will be in my Pool Room. Check out the photo's below!!!
Adam this place is a fortress, Concrete Walls 12 inches thick, set on top a concrete pad, with inside access to the roof which has a Cement facade 2 1/2 feet tall all the way around it. I already have fixtures for the front windows and the door.
If you happen to be in the Neighborhood you are welcome to stay awhile!!!!!!!
Take care
manwon said:Adam, if shit go's south I will not be in a Foxhole, I will be in my Pool Room. Check out the photo's below!!!
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Adam this place is a fortress, Concrete Walls 12 inches thick, set on top a concrete pad, with inside access to the roof which has a Cement facade 2 1/2 feet tall all the way around it. I already have fixtures for the front windows and the door.
If you happen to be in the Neighborhood you are welcome to stay awhile!!!!!!!
Take care
COOL digs!!
FWIW i'm with u 100% with regards to "FTW"
a=====>figures they owe us (what would CHINA'S fate have been if we didn't engage JAPAN in 41??):scratchhead:
Welcome to the global marketplace. I understand some of the anger towards outsourcing as most people see this only as American jobs going to another country. Keep in mind that in some cases it makes sense because they do the majority of their business with that country or the countries surrounding it which keeps costs down. Operating cost cutting is what is in the interest of the survival of that company.
Those companies who have moved overseas to take advantage of cheap labor have been finding out that as fuel costs rise that savings is negated. More and more companies have moved back because the shipping costs have hurt them more than labor costs have saved them as well as the fact that it is easier to keep an eye on a company in your own country than half a world away. A big point to make on that issue is that cheap labor does not last forever.
The only time I have a major issue with outsourcing is when it is done to skirt environmental laws and when employees have no recourse against working in unsafe conditions.
Those companies who have moved overseas to take advantage of cheap labor have been finding out that as fuel costs rise that savings is negated. More and more companies have moved back because the shipping costs have hurt them more than labor costs have saved them as well as the fact that it is easier to keep an eye on a company in your own country than half a world away. A big point to make on that issue is that cheap labor does not last forever.
The only time I have a major issue with outsourcing is when it is done to skirt environmental laws and when employees have no recourse against working in unsafe conditions.
ribdoner said:
it would have prolonged a war which was in a stalemate. furthermore, a lot of the damage was done well before the war even started...nanking for example happened in 1937, as well as most of the other territories that were lost happened before 1939. by the time 1940 came around, chinese resistance led to a stalemate with neither side gaining any ground. altho the NRA did defeat the IJA twice in 1939 but then lost a major offensive in early 1940. this led to skirmishes as neither side could gain ground. so while there is no doubt that america was a great help in DEFEATING the japanese imperial army, there was not much happening to suggest that it single-handedly saved china from destruction. certain parts of china were in a poor state but china as a whole was far from the brink of disaster. so to take all of the credit for saving china is wrong...china was not close to being destroyed. all of the damage had already been done. and in a stalemate, china would win as the japanese were already having supply problems and had great difficulty controlling the regions they had gained (evidenced by the fact that they installed local puppet rulers instead of their own administrators) so even if they went on the offensive, they could not maintain control of any additional regions. another thing to consider, russia contributed more to china than any other nation. obviously, it was to prevent a 2 fronted war but they still provided massive amounts of assistance. britain, australia, netherlands all helped as well and you do those countries wrong by claiming all the credit for the united states.
also, where would the economy be if china hadnt bought up a bunch of bonds and currency when the recession started and the dollar was dropping in value?
on topic -> i have not heard about this and i have talked to a bca instructor who uses schuler cues so he would know if they actually went out of business.
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