Scott Frost & Make it Happen

Random Observations (note I'm a huge Scott F - One Pocket fan):
  1. He missed most banks that where game over shots if missed (not by much but missed more than usual)
  2. 10 Footer is not home court for Mr. Frost. The balls come out of the corners differently on 2 and 3 railers
  3. The extra foot makes head string shots tougher
  4. He's not in the best mental state after getting his nuts shot off in LA by Alex
  5. SVB's one hole game has improved by leaps and Scott was used to giving Junior a couple of balls and toying with his mouse. Today not so much.
  6. He looks tired. Not sure of his day to day routine
  7. Power One Pocket is like Nuclear war. You don't release your missiles unless you know your going to crush the other guy. Right now SF's guidance system needs a tune up
  8. He's playing 5 of the Top 10 One Pocket guys in the world
  9. He'll be back.

Nick
 
jrhendy said:
An observer on the one pocket.org site suggested that Scott has a lot of body movement and a long bridge and dips his cue. The bigger table magnifies little glitches in your mechanics that do not show up on the regulation tables.

SVB probably has the best mechanics for any size table.
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thats right, Scott can make a 9' table look like a bar box with his style of play "Power 1P" and he has VERY VERY good shot selection to move all the balls to his side, sweep shots-and on a 9' table sometimes a ball goes in and scott is 8 & out. As John points out the 10' table requires more precision and those balls dont fall as often on sweep shots, and because there is more space sweep shots are harder to figure out-most people never figure them out Chohan and Scott for the younger guys have them down good, Cornbread did back in the day. but I dont think they are as common or effective on the 10' box.

Question I have for John, did you see Cornbread use the sweep shots effectively on the 10' box as the guys now do on 9' box's??? this is a open Question to all old school players.


thanks
eric
 
oldzilla said:
I found out that this was the very first time Scott played on a 5x10 Diamond table.

I haven't seen Cliff on one of these. Has he played on one ?

I think this was the biggest factor of Scotts record, which with a little more precision could have been very different.

It doesn't take too much to lose to anyone of the other 5.

A mistake can let your opponent go 8 and out with anyone in that field !

:cool:
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he lost 2 hill/hill games so he could have been 3-2, had he won 2 more games at the right time. it was pretty close, even shane didnt rob this event, that box is the equalizer...
 
Hung up banks

I think the outcome would of been different had he made the easy banks that hung up. Anyone that's played alot of one pocket knows its how you can start a lot of run outs. Then your confidence goes up and your opponent might get unsettled. When the DVD comes out notice how many baby banks he missed.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Simple answer: The other players are better than Scott. It was proven to anyone who watched this event.
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Yeah... I have been laughing too hard to respond... You hit the nail on the head

Scott has talent... But to be at the same level as SVB, Alex, Efren, Etc... Not quite
 
ToddW said:
I think the outcome would of been different had he made the easy banks that hung up. Anyone that's played alot of one pocket knows its how you can start a lot of run outs. Then your confidence goes up and your opponent might get unsettled. When the DVD comes out notice how many baby banks he missed.
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So he would've done better if he missed less?
 
iusedtoberich said:
Well we all have our own opinions. Scott is a great player. But he is outmanned by this group. They would beat him on any size table. From a bar table to a snooker table. Scott is like a mid level pro in overall pool skills with a specialty in one hole. All the other players are TOP TOP TOP tier in general pool skills,with maybe less experience than Scott in one hole (except Shannon and efren). The overall skill prevails. Especially when there is a significant difference like in this group.
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Very good post!

Very true and to the point!

But you know what happens next Frost will beat everyone that he just lost to, playing 1 pocket on a 9ft table for big money and then he will be the best in the world again!

Pool is weird in more ways then one!
 
JAM said:
I wonder how Cliff Joyner would have fared at this event. :smile:
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lol, I love you and Keith Jam, stir up that pot. Are you the only one who feels Cliff long time history and success at this game made him a contender for this event?
 
iusedtoberich said:
Well we all have our own opinions. Scott is a great player. But he is outmanned by this group. They would beat him on any size table. From a bar table to a snooker table. Scott is like a mid level pro in overall pool skills with a specialty in one hole. All the other players are TOP TOP TOP tier in general pool skills,with maybe less experience than Scott in one hole (except Shannon and efren). The overall skill prevails. Especially when there is a significant difference like in this group.
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I totally agree with every word of your statement.

I think sometimes we take for granted just how good Efren/Alex/SVB/Orcullo/Busty are....and what the gap actually is between them and the mid level pro's. Busty wasn't even invited and I would bet he has a sizeable edge on Frost for the cash....in any game played with pool cues.
 
bondsman said:
lol, I love you and Keith Jam, stir up that pot. Are you the only one who feels Cliff long time history and success at this game made him a contender for this event?
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No i feel Cliff could of been there as well, Cliff is probably in more action then any player out there today and hes been doing this for a very long time.

We all know Cliff is not as strong as he used to be in 1 pocket, but he is not slowing down his willingness to get up and gamble with lots of players.

I would of liked to see Cliff have a chance just to see if he can hang with the best of today, he sure is deserving of that, as long as he been around and still going strong!

Sure Scott gave him 9-8 and beat him, but at the time Scott was beating everybody in 1 pocket and most wouldnt even try him, but big hearted CLIFF gave him a try!
 
Fatboy said:
thats right, Scott can make a 9' table look like a bar box with his style of play "Power 1P" and he has VERY VERY good shot selection to move all the balls to his side, sweep shots-and on a 9' table sometimes a ball goes in and scott is 8 & out. As John points out the 10' table requires more precision and those balls dont fall as often on sweep shots, and because there is more space sweep shots are harder to figure out-most people never figure them out Chohan and Scott for the younger guys have them down good, Cornbread did back in the day. but I dont think they are as common or effective on the 10' box.

Question I have for John, did you see Cornbread use the sweep shots effectively on the 10' box as the guys now do on 9' box's??? this is a open Question to all old school players.


thanks
eric
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I never saw Cornbread play one pocket. The only time I saw him in person, I played him 9 ball at Five Points Bowl in El Monte sometime in the late 60's/early 70's.

I did not fare too well. He did not stall, just got up there and whacked me out for as long as I would hang around. I got off cheap.
 
joelpope said:
Yeah... I have been laughing too hard to respond... You hit the nail on the head

Scott has talent... But to be at the same level as SVB, Alex, Efren, Etc... Not quite
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None of them are beating the door down to play him on the Diamond at Kolby's in Arizona.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there is an open offer to play for 10k there, and he did beat Efren twice some time back.
 
JAM said:
I wonder how Cliff Joyner would have fared at this event. :smile:
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Hope you are doing well Jam, nice to see you posting.

I love to watch Cliff and would love to see a similar event with 10 players adding Cliff, Joey Gray, Gabe Owen, and Earl Strickland/Brandon Shuff. However, if I recall correctly Scott gave Cliff 9/8 and won.

It was a great event and if I had to only pick six players, I think the field was very similar to who I would have picket. I just hope they do it at least annually as I watched every match:thumbup::thumbup:

Take Care
-don
 
big diff

I don't know how many of you have ever played on a 10' table, but for me, it's a completely different game than on a 9' table.....

When I played on a 10' table after playing on 9 footers for a long long time, it was like shooting pool on a football field.....

I was not surprised when Earl beat SVB on that 10' table (Earl probably has had a lot of experience on the 10 footer; surely more than SVB) and I am not surprised SF did not do so well on the 10 footer.....I think his best one-pocket is played on a 9-footer.........
 
jrhendy said:
I never saw Cornbread play one pocket. The only time I saw him in person, I played him 9 ball at Five Points Bowl in El Monte sometime in the late 60's/early 70's.

I did not fare too well. He did not stall, just got up there and whacked me out for as long as I would hang around. I got off cheap.
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Thanks John, alway's nice to see you here. i'm coming up your way later this year. i'll be sure and let you know in advance, be nice to see you.

best
eric:smile:
 
I call BULL$HIT.

Scott banked a ton of shots to his hole that ended up in the jaws.

ALEX played GREAT, Scott did not.

The table IMO wasnt the factor.

IF Scott was playing GREAT and ALEX was playing GREAT, I think it would have been dead even.

Dont blame the table....geez.:rolleyes:

Ken
 
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Ken_4fun said:
I call BULL$HIT.

Scott banked a ton of shots to his hole that ended up in the jaws.

ALEX played GREAT, Scott did not.

The table IMO wasnt the factor.

IF Scott was playing GREAT and ALEX was playing GREAT, I think it would have been dead even.

Dont blame the table....geez.:rolleyes:

Ken
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Well, it was bound to be a factor. True, they were all on the same tabole, but, some adapt more easily than others. That's just life.
Maybe Scott just had a bad tournament and Shane had a good one. One tick here and a bounce there and they all would be telling a different story.
What bugs me, is why the 10 footers anyway?
 
ironman said:
Well, it was bound to be a factor. True, they were all on the same tabole, but, some adapt more easily than others. That's just life.
Maybe Scott just had a bad tournament and Shane had a good one. One tick here and a bounce there and they all would be telling a different story.
What bugs me, is why the 10 footers anyway?
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I agree. I don't know what the appeal of ten foot tables are. They are an anomoly and will remain so, period. Why have random events on them?

Side note: until the pro game is bonus balll played on a 15 foot circular table, then its not real pool. :cool:
 
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