Scott Frost vs Ronnie Allen in his prime

Jay is right and so I'd like to help get this thread back on track by apologizing for my negative comments. This thread just frustrated me everyday when I'd wake up and check in before work.

Dick and Bill both went hard at each other, Dick more so in the beginning and Bill did not relent.

But it doesn't matter what the topic, these guys will go off on each other.

I just wish they could bury the hatchet and patch things up because I believe they both have good things to contribute.

Peace to all...
 
jay helfert said:
The only thing that amazes me about this thread is that with all the name calling and other insults no one has been banned. This may be the ugliest thread I've seen on AZ in a long, long time. Pretty disgusting imo for grown men to act like this in a PUBLIC forum. :frown:
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Of course you are right Jay. I just cannot tolerate the insults, and accusations when they are just bald faced lies ! ..Which has been the case, since day one !..When things get too quiet, his only two supporters (RJ and Punter) slip in their extremely biased half-truths, or outright lies many of which are not even worth responding to !

For example;...http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5093580&postcount=457
or this one;......http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5092360&postcount=392

His response to my accusation's (post #456) were typical of the way he tries to shift the blame !..Anyone who has really bothered to follow our exchanges, knows that has always been his MO !..I enjoy my time on here (when I can) and I feel I have a lot to share !.. But if I were to get banned for 'counter-attacking', and defending myself....so be it !

Shutting down this thread, would not break my heart one bit !...Jay, I would much rather spend my time telling 'factual' stories, like the one you thanked me for, (in private) recently !

SJD
 
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Hungarian said:
Jay is right and so I'd like to help get this thread back on track by apologizing for my negative comments. This thread just frustrated me everyday when I'd wake up and check in before work.

Dick and Bill both went hard at each other, Dick more so in the beginning and Bill did not relent.

But it doesn't matter what the topic, these guys will go off on each other.

I just wish they could bury the hatchet and patch things up because I believe they both have good things to contribute.

Peace to all...
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SJD's style of posting is kind of like Don Rickles, he has said that himself. He and Mr3C really don't like each other. As far as me busting SJD's chops, I'm really interested in his playing history in his prime, which he is loathe to discuss. Im used to SJD's style by now, and it doesn't bother me. I just respond in kind, and of course SJD is winning ala Charley Sheen (in his mind he never loses)..

He took a 20 year hiatus from pool circa 1970-1990. So his prime would be probably late 50's and the 60's. I'm 57, and his prime is before my time. My experience is in the South and I was around when there was a lot of pool action in this area, And I enjoyed seeing guys like Puckett, and Danny Jones, and Red, because they were interesting characters. I know SJD was around Houston, and Dallas, and Shreveport, in some interesting times. He knew Titanic in Dallas, Red box in Shreveport. I'm just curious about his playing career in his prime, playing other top players who were in their prime. I know he's told some. It's like pulling teeth to get him to tell any. Sharing your story is not bragging.

Sharing his story is one of the things that Freddy did that people enjoyed. And I'll stop talking about Freddy before that old woman Lou gets bent out of shape.
 
jay helfert said:
The only thing that amazes me about this thread is that with all the name calling and other insults no one has been banned. This may be the ugliest thread I've seen on AZ in a long, long time. Pretty disgusting imo for grown men to act like this in a PUBLIC forum. :frown:
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Jay; Here's the facts as RJ pointed out where, MR. 'innocent' started his usual 'INSULTS!' this is his FIRST post In this thread!

The VERY FIRST paragraph he starts in!

I wonder how he, Lenny or Clever Lou will 'Spin Doctor' they're way out of this one!

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Jay; That is EXACTLY why Artie always wanted 9/8 from Bugs when they played!

Artie wasn't looking for a rep! Just the CASH!

The odds of you knowing what Jay or Lenny are talking about, is absolutely zero !..You are making statements, that have NO basis in fact, any more than your many false accusations about me, and others !..You would be wise to stick to your knowledge of three cushion billiards, and stop trying to act like an expert on one pocket !..It is a well known fact, that you are too far below shortstop level, to even handicap it accurately !

Is that why you neglected to mention, that RA's few losses against Bugs, (even on Bugs home court) were in the low hundreds, while his wins, were in the thousands ?..To infer that RA could not outplay, or outsmart Bugs or Artie at one pocket, on a neutral table, is laughable...Could that be why neither of them bothered to look him up in California?

Yes, Artie was/is a very smart gambler..He was definitely after the cash !..So don't you think he knew, that if he could beat RA anywhere outside of Chicago, (even getting weight)..he could have won half the state of California ?...Jay Helfert would have been reduced to selling apples on the street corner, instead of being one of the smartest handicappers, in all of pool !..You need to inject some reality into your glowing tales, about "Bensinger superiority"...You are exposing how much you 'really' don't know about pool !



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SJD--Will work for Yukon Jack !
 
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Well I'm from Houston but didn't become involved in pool until the 1980's. I wonder if Dick ever played Duke or Greg Stevens and a little later I think was James Christopher and Jeff Sparks to name a few of the top Houston players from that era? I didn't know them all so it's very possible I'm missing a few. I do know that Le Cue was the spot back then but only from stories.

Maybe we can pry a story out of Dick...


What say you Dick?



punter said:
SJD's style of posting is kind of like Don Rickles, he has said that himself. He and Mr3C really don't like each other. As far as me busting SJD's chops, I'm really interested in his playing history in his prime, which he is loathe to discuss. Im used to SJD's style by now, and it doesn't bother me. I just respond in kind, and of course SJD is winning ala Charley Sheen (in his mind he never loses)..

He took a 20 year hiatus from pool circa 1970-1990. So his prime would be probably late 50's and the 60's. I'm 57, and his prime is before my time. My experience is in the South and I was around when there was a lot of pool action in this area, And I enjoyed seeing guys like Puckett, and Danny Jones, and Red, because they were interesting characters. I know SJD was around Houston, and Dallas, and Shreveport, in some interesting times. He knew Titanic in Dallas, Red box in Shreveport. I'm just curious about his playing career in his prime, playing other top players who were in their prime. I know he's told some. It's like pulling teeth to get him to tell any. Sharing your story is not bragging.

Sharing his story is one of the things that Freddy did that people enjoyed. And I'll stop talking about Freddy before that old woman Lou gets bent out of shape.
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If you want to hear some honest and interesting thoughts on who Artie thought would be his toughest opponent to play and who He thinks is the BEST one pocket player to date here's the link! The title is, 'Frost vs Artie & Ronnie!'

He explains what it takes to BEAT 'Aggressive players vs Defensive players!'

http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9875

BTW, the thread was started by Lenny!
 
Boy..You make it tough to quit.....

Mr.'Innocent'....Oddly enough, your post #464, was exactly the post Jay thanked me for !..I believe he said something like "Thanks Dick, we were there"! (BTW, I thought you weren't going to refer to me any more ?)

To the other guys who really want to hear some old war stories, I will be glad to share, but not tonite. (too tired) I have told several here, and many more on 1P.org...Also, there are more stories in SMAS, Mr3?? couldn't find..He kept asking Lenny for shots that 'EVOLVED' me..(I'm sure he meant 'involved') :rotflmao1:

One story is on page 32, that involves the first time I played Puckett, at the Cotton Bowling Palace ! ..Maybe he skipped that one, because the proof was 'built in'..Jack and Alfie Taylor were involved ! (but I did offer him a $$$ wager...no call as usual) I believe thats when Alfie coined the phrase "Hurricane One Pocket" ! :p

Also, I am not as good with stories, as Freddy was !..I lack his creative flair for embellishment, and I don't like to deal in $$$ amounts !..Fred was kind enough to include a few of my stories on his web site..They're still there, so I guess he didn't 'hate' me enough to remove them !...I am also in Buddy and Grady's books, and believe me, as is typical of pool authors, you can usually divide by about half, or 1/4, to get a 'true' dollar amount anyway ! ;)

Nite, nite time for me...Later SJD
 
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pt109 said:
Well, technically, Scotty should've called it a billiard ball, not a pool ball.

...but if I had trouble getting out of a joint with the winnings....
....I suspect I'd like him watching my back.
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Exactly..... If you move good enough you don't have to sweat getting out with the money, all of it.
 
mr3cushion said:


NOWHERE in this lengthy page of remarks RE; Harold Worst as the primary and others opinions of him and the other TOP GREAT players of His era is there remotely the name of SJD even hinted in that group of prestigious players!

What does that tell everyone, for the LAST time!
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The White Hope never got mentioned either....
...but, like SJD, Vern Elliot didn't play a lot of tournaments.


What I like most about the article is that many people who read it will
end up feeling about Harold Worst like I do....he was the best.


And back to the title of this thread...a guy named Salt said the only
match he would pay to watch would be Worst vs Ronnie Allen....
....which is how I feel about Ronnie also.

I saw Ronnie play in his prime, and I like him against Efren in an
allround.

Joey Spaeth told me about when he issued with Harry the Horse
against Ronnie playing one-hole....they lost their cash...
...and Ronnie was playing with one hand...even up.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Well Lou, to be fair who started this all? Bill and Jay were having a nice discussion down memory lane, and Bill mentioned that Artie liked to try and get 8/7 from Bugs so he could win.

The next post after that is a complete diatribe and personal attack from SJD. I don't mind folks having a difference of opinion, but to sit back and try and hijack a thread because of animosity is kind of crazy.

So, basically, Bill can never have a discussion with anyone, ever, on AZB with SJD coming unglued because he mentioned Artie or Chicago?

Go back and read the first few pages, and tell me I'm wrong. Yes, Bill added flames to the fire and would not back down either... but he certainly didn't start the derail of this thread or start the attacks.

So, if you are gonna chide one, why not both ?
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RJ, I would concede that the way SJD originally framed his argument about RA and Bugs was less than PC, when he referred to Mr3C's lack of credibility based upon past comments about SJD. That was unfortunate and it did spiral down from there. But given Mr3C's incessant attacks against SJD here and on the one pocket.org site, entirely predictable and not completely unreasonable. Having been involved in a running gun battle with JB for 15 years, I know how hard it is to keep quiet when the other guy is always hammering away at you.

However, SJD's point does seem to be borne out because there is a major disconnect if Mr3C says DD claims, not only that we played but that he beat me.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
However, SJD's point does seem to be borne out because there is a major disconnect if Mr3C says DD claims, not only that we played but that he beat me.

Lou Figueroa
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Billy Smith called DD again and admitted his error...he apologized.
I'm in SJD's corner....but don't ignore what happened.

If we all stay one-sided, we'll ALL be wrong.
 
pt109 said:
Billy Smith called DD again and admitted his error...he apologized.
I'm in SJD's corner....but don't ignore what happened.

If we all stay one-sided, we'll ALL be wrong.
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I didn't "ignore" anything -- he went back and edited a post and general speaking I don't go back and read old posts in a thread, so I didn't see the edit. I just went back and had to look for it.

And for the record, DD did not ask me to play. We were sitting at the bar in a restaurant at the casino in Tunica and he asked if I was a pool player. Then I told him who I was and we talked about other things to include his $20K match with RA.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
I didn't "ignore" anything -- he went back and edited a post and general speaking I don't go back and read old posts in a thread, so I didn't see the edit. I just went back and had to look for it.

And for the record, DD did not ask me to play. We were sitting at the bar in a restaurant at the casino in Tunica and he asked if I was a pool player. Then I told him who I was and we talked about other things to include his $20K match with RA.

Lou Figueroa
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Fair enough, and I DO remember you writing about meeting DD.
But I felt it my duty to bring the situation to light....
...now we can feel enlightened.
 
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