Scott Frost vs Ronnie Allen in his prime
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Yes, I'm aware of the feud as well. But man, you can't open it up in every thread, especially an one like how this that started as a discussion with a memory lane discussion with Jay and Bill, that was actually interesting.
That is half the problem in NPR. The enemies at the gate are waiting for you to post something, anything, just so they can respond to you, not about your current post, but the post from 2 days ago, or 2 weeks ago, and in some cases 2 years ago, just to rehash an old argument.
So, it's official. SJD played well. Artie Played Well. Bill is a 3C expert. And you barely beat JB
(couldn't resist) Can we all just move along now :grin-square: If it happens in 1PCKT.org, it should stay in 1PCKT.org :thumbup:
I think they both had a hand in this. And for the record, I have not seen Bill Smith in 35 years, nor do I hang out at 1PCKT.org, so as SJD alluded, we are not "buddies". Though, I did sell him some Magic Chalk recently.
He use to hang around at my father's pool room in the late 70's, early 80's when I was a teenager. Heck, I only saw him play 9 ball there (we had several 3C tables) but action/money was easier maybe in 9b ??? Not really sure.
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He use to hang around at my father's pool room in the late 70's, early 80's when I was a teenager. Heck, I only saw him play 9 ball there (we had several 3C tables) but action/money was easier maybe in 9b ??? Not really sure..
Robert, wasn't much action for me around Chicago after my first 10 years of playing 3C.
The few scores I made up at the, "Northshore Club" were with guys like George Pelwalski,, Jimmy 'Flyboy' Spears, Louie Campos.
George and I played and I gave him 17 on 50 for 2K, Chico, the outfit guy staked him to play 2 barrels! Chico had a BAD habit of usually taking back the money from players if He lost, NEVER happened with me, Freddy or Artie, especially up there!
Jimmy, our standard game where ever we saw each other was, 12 and the Break on 25! Jimmy was GREAT action no matter what He'd play. Can't reveal that score!
And Louie and I were somewhat friendly, We'd bang them around for a $100.00 a game when He got staked.
Robert, wasn't much action for me around Chicago after my first 10 years of playing 3C.
The few scores I made up at the, "Northshore Club" were with guys like George Pelwalski,, Jimmy 'Flyboy' Spears, Louie Campos.
George and I played and I gave him 17 on 50 for 2K, Chico, the outfit guy staked him to play 2 barrels! Chico had a BAD habit of usually taking back the money from players if He lost, NEVER happened with me, Freddy or Artie, especially up there!
Jimmy, our standard game where ever we saw each other was, 12 and the Break on 25! Jimmy was GREAT action no matter what He'd play. Can't reveal that score!
And Louie and I were somewhat friendly, We'd bang them around for a $100.00 a game when He got staked.
Harry "The Horse" McConnell was a damn good player, higher than shortstop speed! He was good enough to beat some of the great Mexican players on the bar tables around L.A. and loved to play for big money. He and Richie Florence ran around together and even promoted a big tournament in Irvine, CA in the late 70's, won by Doc Brienza (his biggest win). I think Jimmy Rempe was second (sorry about my foggy memory).
Harry also promoted an invitational tourney in Palm Springs, played in the College of the Desert gymnasium back in the 80's. I was his head ref and we had 32 of the best players there. He guaranteed a $30,000 purse and when the gate went sour (maybe 100 people a day), Harry drove to L.A. and borrowed the money to pay everyone, including me. I think Seagull won that one
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I figured as much, or you would have to give up the nuts to get games. I remember Louie Campos well, he was always on the 3C tables practicing or gambling. I wish I would have learned the game of 3C, it could not hurt learning angles and cue ball control and bring that to the pool table. My biggest regret growing up in a pool room is not learning that game !!
Flyboy came in my poolroom in Bakersfield in the early 70's looking for a game. I didn't really know him although I'd seen him around before in L.A. I asked him what he liked to play and he told me One Pocket (a game I loved). I told him I would play him some for twenty a game, a decent bet back then, almost a standard opening bet between pool players (Lou knows). Jimmy looked at me cross eyed and said he liked to play for 200 a game! I almost shit my pants!
I wasn't sure if he was serious or kidding, so I told him how about 100 a game, and he just smiled and said fine. That was only the second time I had bet that high. I was a little nervous and started out slow but finally (probably because I was so familiar with the table) I won a few games and was darn happy he quit. Jimmy kept coming back every few months to play me and we probably broke about even overall. He was a great guy to play with, never complained about anything, always had the money to pay, and didn't whine if he lost or gloat if he won. My kind of guy.
We remain friends to this day and the last time I ran into him was in a casino in New Orleans where they were spreading a 20-40 Pot Limit Omaha game that was playing HIGH! I sat down with $2,000 and it was gone within an hour. Another $2,000 came and went and I had to head back to our hotel to reload. My girl friend thought I was crazy but I was stuck and steaming! I took my last $3,000 and went back one more time and beat that frickin' game. I ended up almost 3K winners after the smoke cleared. Thanks Jimmy for inviting me in! :thumbup:
P.S. This was the year before Katrina hit New Orleans and that hotel (which was on the boardwalk) got wiped out! I think it was a Harrah's.
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That's where I played Jose Parica, Jay, did he ever tell you?
Flyboy was one of pool's all-time biggest gamblers.
I saw him lose $150,000 getting the 7 and the break on a bar table from "The Cannon" in Baton Rouge in the late 90s. I won $15,000 on the side, which was like winning a major tournament these days.
That's where I played Jose Parica, Jay, did he ever tell you about that?
Boy, how times have changed.
Flyboy was one of pool's all-time biggest gamblers.
I saw him lose $150,000 getting the 7 and the break on a bar table from "The Cannon" in Baton Rouge in the late 90s. I won $15,000 on the side, which was like winning a major tournament these days.
That's where I played Jose Parica, Jay, did he ever tell you about that?
Boy, how times have changed.
Flyboy was one of pool's all-time biggest gamblers.
I saw him lose $150,000 getting the 7 and the break on a bar table from "The Cannon" in Baton Rouge in the late 90s. I won $15,000 on the side, which was like winning a major tournament these days.
That's where I played Jose Parica, Jay, did he ever tell you about that?
Boy, how times have changed.
No he didn't, but I never asked. I tended not to ask any players about who they played or how they played. I let them volunteer information to me if they wanted to. Not all pool players were as close lipped as you CJ (they like to brag). I do know about many of your exploits though, my favorite being how you pursued Efren all over the country, and made him bet super high (with his backers of course) and better yet, you kept coming out on top.
Flyboy was one of pool's all-time biggest gamblers.
I saw him lose $150,000 getting the 7 and the break on a bar table from "The Cannon" in Baton Rouge in the late 90s. I won $15,000 on the side, which was like winning a major tournament these days.
That's where I played Jose Parica, Jay, did he ever tell you about that?
Boy, how times have changed.
Fly had the Sport Palace in New Orleans for awhile then Greenway in Baton Rouge, He always did like to bet high.
Most TOP players have or wish they had some 3C knowledge for what ever Pool game they play!
The prove is in just the way Efren thinks and plays ALL games!
For sure being the BEST 'ALL Around' player of at least the 21st Century!
I believe Efren plays around .800-.900 speed Three Cushion, good enough to win strong amateur events. Did you ever play him? I imagine you would have to give him something like 6 or 7 on 25, right?
I knew we could agree on something....
3-cushion changed how I played snooker and pool...a lot.
PT...As I've said several times, I would be happy to let this thread die !..That does not appear possible, based on the obsession my antagonist has with TRYING to shame me!..Nice article on Harold Worst, (my all time favorite too)..I was unable to find the author's name, but I did notice over a dozen "quotes" accredited to Freddy and Artie...Which leads me to strongly believe, there was considerable Chicago influence..(Fels maybe ?).
Be that as it may, I was hoping the thread would end, with his most obvious, agenda driven post EVER, as the last post ! (he couldn't see, it was also his weakest ?)...Glad to see you share my views on 'other' player's too...Just be ready, cuz anything "pro RA", could lead to an unwarranted attack ! (from "you know who" !
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In the old days (when I was coming up), most large poolrooms had at least one billiard table and we all would spend some time practicing on it. I still say it's the toughest cue game of them all. I'm constantly amazed by these guys who are averaging over 2.00 and running tens and fifteens! OMG is all I have to say.
We played at the "Chicago Billiard Café" in Chicago around 1984, I was playing pretty sporty!
Archibald the 'Big' backer from the south side staked Efren, we played 60 points, I gave him 10 for $2K, they lost 2 games and quit!
You're on the money about his speed, Jay, .850 player!
I always thought it was the Nothing but Political Ramblings.... or maybe it was No Point in this forum being on here Really :deadhorse:
10 going to 60, I like you. 10 going to 30 (maybe even 40), I like him.
Those spots would be way too much, 33% and 25% of the game for a 'Carom' player of his speed, if He didn't play 1 Cushion and Balkline good, those spots wouldn't be so out of line!
I've played 3C one time, after my first trip to the table (never even hit a ball to warm up) I unscrewed and put my cue away.... My opponents asked what I was doing quitting? I said I just ran 5, I'm retiring.....