Scott Lee and SPF

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I recently saw Scott Lee had posted that he was planning a northeast/New England run so I set it up with him to meet me yesterday at my house for what I figured would be maybe a couple of hours tops, because, to be honest, my game was already so very close to perfect. :grin: :p :grin:

So about five-and-a-half hours into the lesson ;), it seemed that there was enough video evidence showing there just may be a couple of things I can work on. :o

Okay, switching to serious:

Scott had me take seven shots while being video taped and then we got comfortable and for the next couple of hours, he replayed the shots on his monitor, dissecting each one, alternating between real time and 30 frames per second.

There were some things that Scott said I deserved an A++ for like my head staying rock steady through the entire shots, and how close my tip always comes to whitey at every set position. However, the video also revealed some defects like the dreaded elbow drop, which was happening very close to when tip meets whitey, so close that it may not have mattered, but with the ability to break it down to 30 frames per second, we saw that on many of the shots, sure enough, it was happening just before impact - so it did matter.

I have always been a big fan of logic and I will tell you that the SPF approach is chock full of logical, meaningful, and accurate analyses along with a good method on how to correct any problems encountered and how to reinforce it by way of drills. The drills, btw, appear to be well thought out and based on what is enjoyable and rewarding for the player which should, hopefully, stimulate regular use.

There is emphasis placed on the fact that no "one size fits all". Reinforcing this, in a brilliant (and logical) way, is that a template is designed for the student over the course of the lesson that feels very much like you're being fitted for a custom suit. This 'tailor made' template left me knowing exactly how far I typically set up my bridge hand from whitey (and should continue to), how far my perfect backswing travel is, how far the cue tip should travel forward after striking the cue ball (the finish) and where my rear hand ends up and how my knuckles are oriented. Also, that while it doesn’t matter how many times we slide the cue through our fingers while settling in for a shot (aiming) it does matter how many times after settling in that we slide the cue through our bridge (the warm up) before pulling the trigger. All of these things are what we need to do consistently, on every shot, as part of our routine. There's more to it but this is the general idea. Bottom line, good form, good habits, and consistency are the name of the game. :cool:

To me, nothing seemed even remotely gimmicky about the SPF approach. Scott acknowledged what I was doing right and documented it. He took what I was doing wrong, showed me how to correct it, and documented it.

What makes for a good teacher?

I never met Scott before yesterday and have only interacted with him occasionally here on az. When he, his lovely wife, and their dog, Barkley, rolled in the drive, it felt to me like old friends were dropping by to say hello.

After we got all of the gear inside and everyone was settled, Scott and I took a few minutes to get to know each other. As many of you are already aware, he is extremely personable, knowledgeable on many topics, and has a great sense of humor. :smile:

Once we descended to the pool room, it was all business. I, and I’m sure many of you, have known people in our lives who were vastly talented and knowledgeable but they weren’t good teachers. For whatever reasons they have difficulty imparting what they know to others. Scott, on the other hand, is immensely capable of not only imparting the knowledge he possesses, but doing it in a way that is fun and, much more importantly, memorable. Without taking a single written note, I have in my head, pretty much all we discussed about my stroke. And not to worry, he left the video, as well as my template and all that we covered, with me in a binder.

Anyone wanting to improve their game, regardless of skill level, should strongly consider taking a lesson with Scott. The quest to find your accurate and repeatable stroke doesn’t have to be mind-numbing or complex.

I want to give a shout out to another SPF instructor, my pal, Rufus (dr9ball), with whom I met for a night of fun at Sandcastle Billiards in NJ a couple of months ago. Even though we just met up for some fun, toward the end of the night Rufus had me take a few shots as he filmed me on his Apple phone. We went for a late night bite at a diner down the road and reviewed it and he noticed a hiccup at the finish of my stroke. Rufus, you were all over that one. And sorry for not sending you some additional video of me shooting as you had requested. As Scott can verify, my beautiful new video recorder is still sitting on the tripod collecting dust. :o

Scott, it was a real pleasure to have you and your family at my home. I look forward to when we may next meet up.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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Very good post. It's good to hear how different instructors break things down and evaluate a persons stroke. I have always heard good things about Scott but its good to see this type of review. Thanks for posting it. :smile:
 
I took a class from RandyG a few years ago. SPF is the real deal! I cannot bear to do the drills, but when I incorporate SPF and a steady PSR into my game and NOT get lazy with it, I'm a much better shooter.

Scott Lee seems like the kind of people I like to be around. Glad you had a good time AND learned from the meeting!!!

Maniac
 
Great thread. I met with Scott last Fri. I split the day with a friend. My only regret was not keeping Scott to myself for 8 hours. Next time I will.
I really appreciated Scott coming to my house. SL's picture should be in the dictionary under ACCOMMODATING. What a great/rare service. Thank you(again)Mr. Lee.

SPF...amen.
 
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Brian,

I am delighted to hear that you were able to work with Scott I've taken lessons from Scott and also taught with him. He's a class act.The SPF principles are sound and if you practice your mother drills you will reap the benefits.
 
Before coming to you, Scott, his wife Patti, and dog, Bark Lee spend a few days at my house. Scott and I were able to get to the pool hall together for a few hours helping with a problem I was having with my stroke. As usual Scott was a great help.
I also was able to help a friend connect with Scott. My friend is trying to become an instructor. Scott introduced Steve to the SPF philosophy of teaching. Steve had originally received his certification from an instructor who is classified as a master instructor. Steve learned so much that he had never learned before. The 3 hours intro lesson turned into a 6 hours session. My friend said his head hurt he had learned so much.
Scott went into NYC to work with Tony Robles' girl friend. What I find interesting about this is that here you have someone, Tony, who is considered a great instructor, having so much respect for Scott that Tony asked Scott to work with his girlfriend. This is a tremendous endorsement of how much knowlegable people think about Scott's teaching skills.
 
SPF.....The " Real Deal"

I echo all you have said about the SPF system and the instruction. I had the honor of receiving instruction from Randy G. and just like you described Scott, he was a teacher that cared. I was so impressed I have begun making plans to attend the 3 day school in Texas......Dan
 
Hi there,

i really enjoy that you all enjoyed that much your instructing lessons. And the instructors will enjoy it even more reading such positive things about it. That s the main reason for me, too-to give my knowledge and receive that *big smile* on a face, if something begins to work :-)

lg from overseas,

ingo
 
Before coming to you, Scott, his wife Patti, and dog, Bark Lee spend a few days at my house. Scott and I were able to get to the pool hall together for a few hours helping with a problem I was having with my stroke. As usual Scott was a great help.
I also was able to help a friend connect with Scott. My friend is trying to become an instructor. Scott introduced Steve to the SPF philosophy of teaching. Steve had originally received his certification from an instructor who is classified as a master instructor. Steve learned so much that he had never learned before. The 3 hours intro lesson turned into a 6 hours session. My friend said his head hurt he had learned so much.
Scott went into NYC to work with Tony Robles' girl friend. What I find interesting about this is that here you have someone, Tony, who is considered a great instructor, having so much respect for Scott that Tony asked Scott to work with his girlfriend. This is a tremendous endorsement of how much knowlegable people think about Scott's teaching skills.



Hi Joel

Hope all is well with you. Thanks for taking care of the Lee family.

Sorry I didn't get back to you about our cancelled June Pool School. Summer has be hectic.

Talk soon,
randyg
 
Brian...Thanks for the kind words. I really enjoyed working with you, albeit "briefly" :lmao: My wife loved your home, and even took a few pictures, because she liked your home decor ideas! It was very nice to share some time with you, and like you said, next time we will actually PLAY some pool! I will definitely take you up on your kind offer, and I hope to see you again soon! Best of luck with the rest of the things we talked about! You sure have a nice "man cave"! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I recently saw Scott Lee had posted that he was planning a northeast/New England run so I set it up with him to meet me yesterday at my house for what I figured would be maybe a couple of hours tops, because, to be honest, my game was already so very close to perfect. :grin: :p :grin:

So about five-and-a-half hours into the lesson ;), it seemed that there was enough video evidence showing there just may be a couple of things I can work on. :o

Okay, switching to serious:

Scott had me take seven shots while being video taped and then we got comfortable and for the next couple of hours, he replayed the shots on his monitor, dissecting each one, alternating between real time and 30 frames per second.

There were some things that Scott said I deserved an A++ for like my head staying rock steady through the entire shots, and how close my tip always comes to whitey at every set position. However, the video also revealed some defects like the dreaded elbow drop, which was happening very close to when tip meets whitey, so close that it may not have mattered, but with the ability to break it down to 30 frames per second, we saw that on many of the shots, sure enough, it was happening just before impact - so it did matter.

I have always been a big fan of logic and I will tell you that the SPF approach is chock full of logical, meaningful, and accurate analyses along with a good method on how to correct any problems encountered and how to reinforce it by way of drills. The drills, btw, appear to be well thought out and based on what is enjoyable and rewarding for the player which should, hopefully, stimulate regular use.

There is emphasis placed on the fact that no "one size fits all". Reinforcing this, in a brilliant (and logical) way, is that a template is designed for the student over the course of the lesson that feels very much like you're being fitted for a custom suit. This 'tailor made' template left me knowing exactly how far I typically set up my bridge hand from whitey (and should continue to), how far my perfect backswing travel is, how far the cue tip should travel forward after striking the cue ball (the finish) and where my rear hand ends up and how my knuckles are oriented. Also, that while it doesn’t matter how many times we slide the cue through our fingers while settling in for a shot (aiming) it does matter how many times after settling in that we slide the cue through our bridge (the warm up) before pulling the trigger. All of these things are what we need to do consistently, on every shot, as part of our routine. There's more to it but this is the general idea. Bottom line, good form, good habits, and consistency are the name of the game. :cool:

To me, nothing seemed even remotely gimmicky about the SPF approach. Scott acknowledged what I was doing right and documented it. He took what I was doing wrong, showed me how to correct it, and documented it.

What makes for a good teacher?

I never met Scott before yesterday and have only interacted with him occasionally here on az. When he, his lovely wife, and their dog, Barkley, rolled in the drive, it felt to me like old friends were dropping by to say hello.

After we got all of the gear inside and everyone was settled, Scott and I took a few minutes to get to know each other. As many of you are already aware, he is extremely personable, knowledgeable on many topics, and has a great sense of humor. :smile:

Once we descended to the pool room, it was all business. I, and I’m sure many of you, have known people in our lives who were vastly talented and knowledgeable but they weren’t good teachers. For whatever reasons they have difficulty imparting what they know to others. Scott, on the other hand, is immensely capable of not only imparting the knowledge he possesses, but doing it in a way that is fun and, much more importantly, memorable. Without taking a single written note, I have in my head, pretty much all we discussed about my stroke. And not to worry, he left the video, as well as my template and all that we covered, with me in a binder.

Anyone wanting to improve their game, regardless of skill level, should strongly consider taking a lesson with Scott. The quest to find your accurate and repeatable stroke doesn’t have to be mind-numbing or complex.

I want to give a shout out to another SPF instructor, my pal, Rufus (dr9ball), with whom I met for a night of fun at Sandcastle Billiards in NJ a couple of months ago. Even though we just met up for some fun, toward the end of the night Rufus had me take a few shots as he filmed me on his Apple phone. We went for a late night bite at a diner down the road and reviewed it and he noticed a hiccup at the finish of my stroke. Rufus, you were all over that one. And sorry for not sending you some additional video of me shooting as you had requested. As Scott can verify, my beautiful new video recorder is still sitting on the tripod collecting dust. :o

Scott, it was a real pleasure to have you and your family at my home. I look forward to when we may next meet up.

Best,
Brian kc
 
Cdryden...I'll be making a trip your way very soon! I hope we get a chance to get together! BTW, did you win that contest?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Very good post. It's good to hear how different instructors break things down and evaluate a persons stroke. I have always heard good things about Scott but its good to see this type of review. Thanks for posting it. :smile:
 
Frank...You are indeed welcome! It was my pleasure, and I look forward to our next meeting! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Great thread. I met with Scott last Fri. I split the day with a friend. My only regret was not keeping Scott to myself for 8 hours. Next time I will.
I really appreciated Scott coming to my house. SL's picture should be in the dictionary under ACCOMMODATING. What a great/rare service. Thank you(again)Mr. Lee.

SPF...amen.
 
Ingo...I'm so happy that you are learning the joy and benefits of teaching SPF in Germany. We are so few, and the need is so great...all around the world! I hope either that you get a chance to come to the USA, or I get a chance to come visit you in Germany, so we can share stories! :thumbup: Keep up the good work!

Your friend and fellow instructor,

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Hi there,

i really enjoy that you all enjoyed that much your instructing lessons. And the instructors will enjoy it even more reading such positive things about it. That s the main reason for me, too-to give my knowledge and receive that *big smile* on a face, if something begins to work :-)

lg from overseas,

ingo
 
Thanks Neil! You and I share many of the same ideas on how to make pool EASIER to learn, and I appreciate your support and kind words. BTW...have you seen Gazelli lately? Just wondering how his practice is going...:grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Good post Brian. Scott is a great teacher and great guy. You should also post this over in the instructor review section.
 
Brian, that was a VERY nice report on the lesson with Scott.

The elbow drop is a peculiar fellow. As many instructors have concluded, the elbow drop doesn't seem to hurt if it happens after the cue tip makes contact with the cue ball. I see quite a few pros dropping their elbows but I wouldn't doubt that the elbow drop hurts most players especially if it happens before the hit takes place.
 
Brian, that was a VERY nice report on the lesson with Scott.

The elbow drop is a peculiar fellow. As many instructors have concluded, the elbow drop doesn't seem to hurt if it happens after the cue tip makes contact with the cue ball. I see quite a few pros dropping their elbows but I wouldn't doubt that the elbow drop hurts most players especially if it happens before the hit takes place.

Thanks, Joey.

Having the ability to break the video down to 30 frames per second was very revealing.

I guess, in an ideal world, we should reserve our elbow drops only for when we are extending our hands to collect winnings. :grin:

Best,
Brian kc
 
A couple of final thoughts.

First, thank you kaznj for clarifying the Lee's dog's name for me. I referred to him in my op as "Barkley". Of course, the dog is really "Bark Lee". How funny and clever is that? :thumbup: When we were intoduced, it went right over my head. :o

Something else I forgot to mention that I thought was particularly helpful was during the video analysis, Scott was able to draw directly on the monitor screen so we could see during an entire shot sequence, and from shot to shot, what, if any, movement/changes in body position there were. A very simple and effective tool.

If Sean (sfleinen) is reading this, I want you to know that Scott also gave me an A++ on my bridge. :cool: :p :cool: He kept going on and on about it. At one point I think I heard him say it was more beautiful than San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge. I could be wrong but that's what I thought I heard him say. :grin:

Toward the end of the lesson, while trying to implement the new information into my routine, I couldn't roll balls straight into the pocket. Trying to shoot while consciously thinking about incorporating this new info, was understandably, not easy. However, it seems like with some reasonable practice it won't be hard to turn this info into my automatic, subconcious, routine. Scott did issue a warning not to try to use the new info too soon in any meaningful matches.

Thanks again, Scott, for coming by. I look forward to meeting up with you again sometime, hopefully soon.

Best,
Brian kc
 
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