Scott vs. Dippy Dave -- who do you trust?
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We're done
With well over 200 votes cast, we can now say with considerable confidence that the small lead held by Dippy Dave is not statistically significant and further voting is very unlikely to change this.
Thanks to all who took the time to vote!
Someone in this thread suggested that the poll SHOULD have asked which one of these two lied about the $50,000 payment. I agree that this question strikes closer to what most of us consider to be the central issue here. I invite whomever made the suggestion to create this new poll. Or, if asked by a couple of you, I'll go ahead and do it myself.
With well over 200 votes cast, we can now say with considerable confidence that the small lead held by Dippy Dave is not statistically significant and further voting is very unlikely to change this.
Thanks to all who took the time to vote!
Someone in this thread suggested that the poll SHOULD have asked which one of these two lied about the $50,000 payment. I agree that this question strikes closer to what most of us consider to be the central issue here. I invite whomever made the suggestion to create this new poll. Or, if asked by a couple of you, I'll go ahead and do it myself.
Since we haven't heard directly from Scott on his version of the story, I think that asking whether we trust Scott or Dippy isn't the right question to be asking.
In any event, the results of this poll are significant because it produced an unexpected outcome. I expected the poll results to show that Scott was the person people trusted based upon Billy's testimony. Most of the people who responded to Billy's Epic Thread thought that Dippy was a liar and a thief. So I think it's amazing that your poll results indicate that people in this forum trust Dippy more than Scott.
How is it possible that most people believe that Dippy is a liar and a thief, yet trust him more than Scott (and Billy)?
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Yep, and a decent B player wins with that handicap. If you can't win with that handicap you need to do one of two things. Quit gambling at pool or play me. We'll post the money ahead of time.
How is it possible that most people believe that Dippy is a liar and a thief, yet trust him more than Scott (and Billy)?
By the way, in the twoplustwo poker forum, the following poll was conducted:
"Whose side do you believe (no option for who cares or no way know. That's boring. Pick a side)."
Frost got 27 votes (19%) and Viffer got 116 votes (81%).
The results of the poker forum poll are consistent with the results taken in the pool forum poll. More people believe (trust) Dippy than Scott (Billy).
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Since we haven't heard directly from Scott on his version of the story, I think that asking whether we trust Scott or Dippy isn't the right question to be asking.
In any event, the results of this poll are significant because it produced an unexpected outcome. I expected the poll results to show that Scott was the person people trusted based upon Billy's testimony. Most of the people who responded to Billy's Epic Thread thought that Dippy was a liar and a thief. So I think it's amazing that your poll results indicate that people in this forum trust Dippy more than Scott.
How is it possible that most people believe that Dippy is a liar and a thief, yet trust him more than Scott (and Billy)?
NOt everyone shoots their mouth off in the forum. You can be in the forum and not say anything. You can vote. The couple people that stood up against Billy I etc got a lot of support in their green reps. It wasn't as one-sided as it might have appeared to you. Why would you say anything when you would get bludgeoned by lenny, billy, jay, etc.
This makes the most sense to me. It would make the thread dull but we should remove all the votes from people who don't know the players.
It's entirely possible neither is lying and both called that close hit exactly as they saw it. Also possible the guy who acted honorably this time hasn't in the past. To make an educated opinion on this, someone has to have been close to both of them for a while.
I do think once play continues after an argument then the loser pays up, period... and one controversial hit is not grounds for calling it off.
How is it possible that most people believe that Dippy is a liar and a thief, yet trust him more than Scott (and Billy)?
I think you may have misunderstood the statistical analysis part of the poll. Statistics tell us that the difference between the percentage for Scott and that for Dippy Dave is NOT large enough to say that one is ahead of the other on trustworthiness. When I checked just now, the difference has shrunk to less than two percentage points, FAR TO SMALL A DIFFERENCE TO BE MEANINGFUL.
And, as has already been pointed out, there are people who would feel free to vote for Dippy Dave in an anonymous poll but who would not speak up for him in that long thread about the issue.
I hope this clears it up for you, at least a bit.
I would argue that knowing one of the players would make one less objective about the situation, but in a way that one couldn't recognize. It's the classic "I know my son/daughter/husband/wife!" situation where it turns out that the opposite is the case.
(Being in the situation, however, might make one more credible.)
The difference in percentage
between Dippy Dave and Scott has become negligible.
I wish I had worded the poll differently to begin with. Maybe something like, "If your life depended upon being right regarding the payment of $50,000 for that third set, would you say that A) Dippy Dave lied, or B) Scott lied?"
And even though I read just about all the posts on threads about this topic, I am not sure, at this moment, how I would vote. Especially since we never actually heard directly from Scott.
between Dippy Dave and Scott has become negligible.
I wish I had worded the poll differently to begin with. Maybe something like, "If your life depended upon being right regarding the payment of $50,000 for that third set, would you say that A) Dippy Dave lied, or B) Scott lied?"
And even though I read just about all the posts on threads about this topic, I am not sure, at this moment, how I would vote. Especially since we never actually heard directly from Scott.
If I were to walk into the pool room tonight and try to match up either?I would expect about the same from both. Both must post! Trust has absolutely nothing to do with it. As The CEO Of a company I worked for for years used to say,"inspect what I expect as everyone is suspect"!
The sad part of this whole episode to me is that again, pool has yet another black eye. The low life image lives on. We in the pool world as a small society have again insured that. We love the negative, we support the negative. We dwell on the negative. The word trust has become a total joke,,,yet again.
What good could ever happen in the pool world to get so much attention in such a short period?
The poll should not be between Dippy Dave and Scott Frost.
It should be between Dippy and Billy Incardona.
After all this whole thing hinges on ONE FACT that is being glossed over.
Billy says he was with Scott when Dippy claims to have paid.
So either Billy is lying or he isn't.
So who do you trust more in that situation?
Billy Incardona or Dippy Dave?
It should be between Dippy and Billy Incardona.
After all this whole thing hinges on ONE FACT that is being glossed over.
Billy says he was with Scott when Dippy claims to have paid.
So either Billy is lying or he isn't.
So who do you trust more in that situation?
Billy Incardona or Dippy Dave?