I do too! :thumbup2:
(Captain America was always one of my favorites. Damned if they didn't have to kill him off, even tho I know he'll be back... just in time for the Avengers movie! Anyone catch the shield in Iron Man 2?)
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I do too! :thumbup2:
(Captain America was always one of my favorites. Damned if they didn't have to kill him off, even tho I know he'll be back... just in time for the Avengers movie! Anyone catch the shield in Iron Man 2?)
Tate:
I never said you said I made that counterfeit. I clearly said you said you "thought" it may be one of my earlier cues. It is not one of my cues. I never built that cue.
To set the record straight: I have never forged anyone's signature on a cue. I have never knowingly made a copy of another man's work either.
I have on my site two times, when I made an inlay that another man first made and in both cases, I wrote who did the original inlay. I gave them credit. That is normal in the world for people to do, but not normal for counterfeiters of fine cues.
To imply that I might have placed another man's name on my work or forged another man's signature is the same as casting doubt on me. I do not like it . . . . and at the same time I am not interested in a feud going here.
I do not recognize the cue, but it looks to be a Filipino-made cue. The inlays look to be a dead giveaway of work done in Manila or in Pampanga province. I could be wrong. I would be interested in seeing the joint pin of the cue. The black rings look to be regular cheap nylon plastic, not double linen phenolic. If those black rings are black plastic then the man that counterfeits my cued also counterfeited that cue and forged the "Motley" signature. The joint pin would most likely tell who made the cue. I am going to guess a bullet type end and a thread of 5/16-18 or 3/8-16 for the counterfeiter I am thinking of if the cue is older than 5 years . . . . but I could be wrong since seeing the cue and handling it would give a more clear picture of who built it. If the cue is 1 to 3 years old then the pin will be a 5/16-14 or 3/8-10 for the counterfeiter I am thinking of.
The counterfeiter i am thinking of now copies the end of my joint pins. Oh, i decided to go back to that thread and i now see the joint pin. I would and am about 85% certain it is made in one of two shops. One in angeles city and the other in the manila area. Again, without the cue in my hand I could be wrong.
Back to your post at: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=193347&highlight=queperfect
Think it over some, Tate. You said you thought it could be some of my earlier work. The signature on the cue, I think was stated, was that of Mr. Motley. So . . . to say it might be some of my earlier work is to imply I might have forged another man's work after making s counterfeit of his cue. I would hope that you can understand my feelings in this matter?
Zinzola, you implied piercy might not be from America. What country is he originally from? I think I may already know, but want to be sure.
Piercy, I am not interested in a flame going here with you either. I have set the record straight on my scrimshaw work and hope you just let it be at that information provided by me in my previous post.
I hope this is the end of these two matters and the record is set straight.
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Tate:
I never said you said I made that counterfeit. I clearly said you said you "thought" it may be one of my earlier cues. It is not one of my cues. I never built that cue.
To set the record straight: I have never forged anyone's signature on a cue. I have never knowingly made a copy of another man's work either.
I have on my site two times, when I made an inlay that another man first made and in both cases, I wrote who did the original inlay. I gave them credit. That is normal in the world for people to do, but not normal for counterfeiters of fine cues.
To imply that I might have placed another man's name on my work or forged another man's signature is the same as casting doubt on me. I do not like it . . . . and at the same time I am not interested in a feud going here.
I do not recognize the cue, but it looks to be a Filipino-made cue. The inlays look to be a dead giveaway of work done in Manila or in Pampanga province. I could be wrong. I would be interested in seeing the joint pin of the cue. The black rings look to be regular cheap nylon plastic, not double linen phenolic. If those black rings are black plastic then the man that counterfeits my cued also counterfeited that cue and forged the "Motley" signature. The joint pin would most likely tell who made the cue. I am going to guess a bullet type end and a thread of 5/16-18 or 3/8-16 for the counterfeiter I am thinking of if the cue is older than 5 years . . . . but I could be wrong since seeing the cue and handling it would give a more clear picture of who built it. If the cue is 1 to 3 years old then the pin will be a 5/16-14 or 3/8-10 for the counterfeiter I am thinking of.
The counterfeiter i am thinking of now copies the end of my joint pins. Oh, i decided to go back to that thread and i now see the joint pin. I would and am about 85% certain it is made in one of two shops. One in angeles city and the other in the manila area. Again, without the cue in my hand I could be wrong.
Back to your post at: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=193347&highlight=queperfect
Think it over some, Tate. You said you thought it could be some of my earlier work. The signature on the cue, I think was stated, was that of Mr. Motley. So . . . to say it might be some of my earlier work is to imply I might have forged another man's work after making s counterfeit of his cue. I would hope that you can understand my feelings in this matter?
Zinzola, you implied piercy might not be from America. What country is he originally from? I think I may already know, but want to be sure.
Piercy, I am not interested in a flame going here with you either. I have set the record straight on my scrimshaw work and hope you just let it be at that information provided by me in my previous post.
I hope this is the end of these two matters and the record is set straight.
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I simply thought there was a possibility that it may be one of yours, or Viattorre's, early cues, or another Filipino cue maker, that someone here in the U.S. (a con artist,) signed with Paul Mottey's name.
I didn't mean to imply you would do something like this. When I used the word "work", I was referring to the making of the cue.
I never heard back from the original poster on this - so the cue remains a mystery.
Chris
Tate:
I never said you said I made that counterfeit. I clearly said you said you "thought" it may be one of my earlier cues. It is not one of my cues. I never built that cue.
To set the record straight: I have never forged anyone's signature on a cue. I have never knowingly made a copy of another man's work either.
I have on my site two times, when I made an inlay that another man first made and in both cases, I wrote who did the original inlay. I gave them credit. That is normal in the world for people to do, but not normal for counterfeiters of fine cues.
To imply that I might have placed another man's name on my work or forged another man's signature is the same as casting doubt on me. I do not like it . . . . and at the same time I am not interested in a feud going here.
I do not recognize the cue, but it looks to be a Filipino-made cue. The inlays look to be a dead giveaway of work done in Manila or in Pampanga province. I could be wrong. I would be interested in seeing the joint pin of the cue. The black rings look to be regular cheap nylon plastic, not double linen phenolic. If those black rings are black plastic then the man that counterfeits my cued also counterfeited that cue and forged the "Motley" signature. The joint pin would most likely tell who made the cue. I am going to guess a bullet type end and a thread of 5/16-18 or 3/8-16 for the counterfeiter I am thinking of if the cue is older than 5 years . . . . but I could be wrong since seeing the cue and handling it would give a more clear picture of who built it. If the cue is 1 to 3 years old then the pin will be a 5/16-14 or 3/8-10 for the counterfeiter I am thinking of.
The counterfeiter i am thinking of now copies the end of my joint pins. Oh, i decided to go back to that thread and i now see the joint pin. I would and am about 85% certain it is made in one of two shops. One in angeles city and the other in the manila area. Again, without the cue in my hand I could be wrong.
Back to your post at: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=193347&highlight=queperfect
Think it over some, Tate. You said you thought it could be some of my earlier work. The signature on the cue, I think was stated, was that of Mr. Motley. So . . . to say it might be some of my earlier work is to imply I might have forged another man's work after making s counterfeit of his cue. I would hope that you can understand my feelings in this matter?
Zinzola, you implied piercy might not be from America. What country is he originally from? I think I may already know, but want to be sure.
Piercy, I am not interested in a flame going here with you either. I have set the record straight on my scrimshaw work and hope you just let it be at that information provided by me in my previous post.
I hope this is the end of these two matters and the record is set straight.
QP Cues
Yup, it is.
And I am from the philippines.
And I do not hate you are anything that may resemble hate.
I would call you to talk to you as to why I said what I said. I would like to call you but I have no phone # to contact you by. if you can please PM me. Also on your site you say that you are the only one legally harvesting and using wood for cues.. I also would like to tell you that I am to legally using wood from there. I could explain how but only by phone nothing else. I do like your cues and I did not make the comments I made out of some type of personal attack on you. I know how everyone there is treating you but do not include my name on the list of people who hate you.
Piercy:
Not everyone here puts me down, but the ones that do are a few crabs. There are hundreds of cue making shops here and only one gives me a problem. I hold no animosity against the others. They leave me alone and I leave them alone. This place where I am now has four cue making shops and I am friends with the owners. They also, to my face at least, side with me against the one who has tried to ruin me since 2001.
I am happy that you will not be making future comments on my scrimshaw work. I already know what you might want to tell me on the phone and already know the rumor that someone spread to you comes from the same hate-filled crab.
I do not blame you for being angry. You should be angry at the person/persons that spread the rumor and caused your embarrassment. I advise you to stay away from the people that fed the lies to you. They are not your real friends, are they? You are in the land of milk-and-honey and the most of them are still stuck where they are. Do you feel they literally are your friends or are they your friends for what you can do for them or they can get out of you?
I do not state I am the only one harvesting illegal woods here. I do state, and it is a fact, that the woods from old houses are legal and all of the others are not legal if cut within the last 30 years. Anyone acquiring woods from old homes have legal woods. This is the only way. But there is another way ...... not actually legal, but sorta in limbo, so to say.
Here's why: The senators and congressmen here have passed laws to where a person cannot sell or even use a narra tree on his own property, Even if the tree falls during a typhoon! Eeeeks! That tree goes to the village elder (The barangay captain). The legal fact is that no tree that is cut down here, except the white paper wood, can be used! So why can you purchase container loads of narra and other "protected woods" and ship them to America? The congressmen and senators divide up parts of the country and THEY bring in loggers and they make the money. This is a fact of life. Guess you could call it "plundering the natural resources".
I asked one wood seller how he was able to get these woods. He said, if we all obeyed the laws then no one could make a living but our leaders. He simply bribes the police and Dept. of natural resources people at the many roadblocks in the forests.
My scrimshaw: At the beginning I sent some close-up photos of my first work to a friend, Paul Drexler, for his advice. He said it was a "good start". He told me the truth and I tried harder.
My opinion of your scrimshaw: Better than my first tries. If you go for more detail and make sure it is right before you add the ink, then you are going to be very good within a year and very, very good within 2 years. You will find that sometimes a mistake will occur that you cannot take out. Adapt and change the original design some until your hand is more sure. Buy a set of glasses that go onto your head. These are plastic and come with two to three different power lenses. Get at least a 40 power (I use 40 power) and begin. Your eyes will hurt the first few hours until you can get the head-to-work distance correct, but you can do lots better work with these lenses.
Get you some spray can lacquer paint to cover what you want to protect when changing to a different color in the same work It dries within a few minutes and you will not be slowed down using it.
To get super detail I advise you to switch to the smallest sewing needle and glue it in a piece of wood for a handle. The general outline and highlights can be done with the tools you have already made.
The Filipino: I have found them to be good cooks, natural artists, and musicians. You have a good artistic talent and will be a superb scrimshander.
Ronnie
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Tate:
I think if you went back to that post and made changes stating that someone could have forged the name after Viatorre and I possibly made the cue, I think that would be much more plain.
Going back again to that cue photo I see the butt sleeve is made from Malayan red wood. That wood is used for crates to hold products made in Malaysia that are sent into The Philippines. Thus there is only one place that cue could have possibly been made and that is in The Philippines.
There is no way that cue was made in America. Someone has forged the signature of Mr. Motley on that cue.
Many cue shops in The Philippines have the blue book of cues. When someone goes in and wants a cue made and that someone does not know what look they want, the shop owner many times brings out the blue book of cues and asks the prospective buyer to pick out one. they pick one out and he counterfeits it. sometimes he will forge the signature if asked, but most of the time the shop owner makes a counterfeit without the signature.
That cue definitely came out of a shop in Quezon City or Angeles City. Only one of these two shops, but I do not know which one, but lean toward the one up in Angeles City.
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QP, while apparently not an accurate statement, I take the suspicion about outsourcing the scrim as a compliment. I assume that he was saying your work is so much better than what the average guy could do, you must have outsourced it to an expert. That's a nice compliment. 
Ronnie,
OK, I corrected that. The next time I have a question about cues made in the Phillipines, I will ask you if you don't mind through a private message. Until now, I wasn't aware that you posted here. For some reason, I can't get on your website from my office or at home.
Concerning the possible signature forgery, we were mainly trying to protect somebody from fraud. I don't think the poster knew it was forgery but it's very possible he quickly found out. There are many con artists here in the U.S. who will intentionally misrepresent cues and anyone can add a forged signature to an unmarked cue.
Chris
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eagle atemp
this was requested by Mr hoppe
this is what I got done today for now... I dont have much light here in the hospital dark and raining. so from the time I opened his mail to now was at 20 min.... this is what I got done within that time..it 2:00 pm
Mr. hoppe I went and done the thing for you and pushed back other peoples request ...I like the eagle thing.really small... but challenging drawing the pic from my I phone it's hard... but will finish it nonetheless.
.....here's more
this was requested by Mr hoppe
this is what I got done today for now... I dont have much light here in the hospital dark and raining. so from the time I opened his mail to now was at 20 min.... this is what I got done within that time..it 2:00 pm
Mr. hoppe I went and done the thing for you and pushed back other peoples request ...I like the eagle thing.really small... but challenging drawing the pic from my I phone it's hard... but will finish it nonetheless.
.....here's more
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for Mr Hoppe
finished ...... it was a quick 20 more minutes...but it took a while to get back on AZB to post....so here is another with the eagle from Mr. Hoppe...
Now I want to explain this was done in 40 minutes total....
but would I had my magnafying glass and sharper needles and more light I would have done this in probably 2-3 hours so I did what I could ....
Hope everyone enjoys....anymore suggestions? still have space....
finished ...... it was a quick 20 more minutes...but it took a while to get back on AZB to post....so here is another with the eagle from Mr. Hoppe...
Now I want to explain this was done in 40 minutes total....
but would I had my magnafying glass and sharper needles and more light I would have done this in probably 2-3 hours so I did what I could ....
Hope everyone enjoys....anymore suggestions? still have space....
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Nice job thanks for sharing!!
Marshall,
Have you ever seen Sandra's site:
http://www.scrimshaw-by-sandra-brady.com/products_list.php?cat_id=5
It's pretty interesting. She sells tools and DVD's too. I sold two cues for a cue maker that used her scrimshaw work extensively in bone and ivory. It was beautiful stuff, highly detailed.
Chris
Have you ever seen Sandra's site:
http://www.scrimshaw-by-sandra-brady.com/products_list.php?cat_id=5
It's pretty interesting. She sells tools and DVD's too. I sold two cues for a cue maker that used her scrimshaw work extensively in bone and ivory. It was beautiful stuff, highly detailed.
Chris
Thanks everyone....I really wish more people could come up with suggestions...its like i only get one a day ...
well that being said todays request Iron man flying through some kind of fog or debris, dust.... something to that effect...the whole fog thing that's a challenge.....
will post ASAP
Holy crapola Batman to get a mis, fog, or smoke effect with scrimshawing is hard to many dots....... Can't ......stipple...... Anymo ..... re.......hands .......falling .........off....!!!!
Serious this stuff is freaking hard.
I first had to figure how I would even go about it ...... I hope it turns out good.
Serious this stuff is freaking hard.
I first had to figure how I would even go about it ...... I hope it turns out good.
anyone....? I'm suppose to do an alien....too easy and quick right now...will do that last as a relaxation...
please pm me a request.....
please pm me a request.....