Secret To This Shot........

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DrCue'sProtege

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ok, how do you get to the '6' Ball on this shot? the cue ball and the '5' Ball are both frozen to the rail. i tried this several times last night, kept rattling the '5' Ball in the corner pocket. finally decided the best thing for me to do would be to draw back and play the bank on the '6'.

Help posters?
DCP

p.s. as always, refraining from insults and jokes would be appreciated.

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DrCue'sProtege said:
ok, how do you get to the '6' Ball on this shot?
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If you have any angle, you might be able to force the cueball over with a hair of draw. But, the pockets have to be able to take the firm shot. IMO, as drawn, it's a super low percentage to both make and get position. I wouldn't even try it on 4 1/2" pockets.

I like cinching and banking.

Fred
 
Well, the shot is tough enough even without having to play shape. I think the highest % offensive play for me would be to aim out from the rail very slightly, use low-inside and just try to make the ball with enough speed to draw back maybe an inch or so. I might even be tempted to elevate a little and aim 1/2" or so out from the rail just to improve my odds of getting the cb off of the rail after the shot; I don't think it would make the shot that much more difficult, really, and it might make the next one a lot simpler. The cross-side bank is pretty straightforward from there, but you have to put a good stroke on it since the cb's so close to the rail. None of the available banks on the 5 are good options for me, but I'm also not a very good banker.

Good luck!
 
The biggest secret in pool is (drum roll please);

There are no secrets.

Once you get past that, the game becomes much easier.
 
I hope you don't think I'm being insulting.....

....., but why not jack up and cut the six ball in the corner with a little high right english and bring the cue ball back cross table for the five ball? I just did it, although it took me a few tries. Someone with a decent skill level should be able to pull this one off fairly easy. If it were me, and I was in a match, I would cinch the five and bank the six as has been suggested. But then, I'm real confident on my bank shots.

Maniac
 
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Gregg said:
The biggest secret in pool is (drum roll please);

There are no secrets.

Once you get past that, the game becomes much easier.
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A Long time ago "Secrets" were around, but now the Cat is out of the bag.
And people make money "Teaching Pool". When I was coming up in the
mid to late 70's I thought Secrets were stuff like Inside English, playing safe and making it look like a miscue, blocking a pocket in 8 Ball, getting
a few Balls tied up, so the other guy could not run out, leaving his only shot with a tangent line into a cluster you needed broken up, stuff like that.:)
 
Maniac said:
....., but why not cut the six ball in the corner with a center ball hit (maybe a little low right) and bring the cue ball back cross table for the five ball?

Maniac
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I think we're playing 9 ball here. ;)
 
I'd play to pocket the five and roll up just a little bit (with follow). Then, I'd play the six in the side pocket with a cut. Its tough to say for sure but at least from this diagram, it looks like the six is far enough off the rail that its a makeable cut.
 
pharaoh68 said:
I think we're playing 9 ball here. ;)
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Ooops, my bad!!! Then I would either bank the six or unscrew the cue, sell it, and walk away as suggested:D :D :D !

Maniac
 
DCP,

This is a "take your medicine" shot. You're not always going to be able to get perfect position on your next ball. Sometimes what you need to do is just cinch the ball you're on, and "take your medicine" on the next shot. For me, if they really are both frozen, the only way to make the 5-ball is a stop-shot (which at this distance means at least a tip of low) with a touch of left, relying on the squirt (right) and swerve (left) to bring me to the right spot to sink the 5. If they're frozen, I can't make the shot any other way on tight pockets. So then I'd suck it up and shoot the bank on the 6, which is pretty easy for a bank shot.

If either ball (CB or 5) is off the rail by even 1/8" or so, I'll shoot this with enough draw to get back up above the side pockets, making for a very makeable cut on the 6, and the CB should be at least two inches off the rail to allow me more options for position on the 7. The key is just to concentrate on hitting the 5 into the far pocket facing. Just concentrate on that, and take what you get on the 6.

-Andrew
 
Don't play shape like that on the 5?;)

You just gotta shoot & deal with the bank on the 6. If I felt good about drawing the CB a couple of inches off the 5, I'd try to leave the CB on the bottom rail in case the 6 misses.

Just remember that cinching the 5 and banking the 6 keeps your runout going!
 
Andrew Manning said:
DCP,


I'll shoot this with enough draw to get back up above the side pockets, making for a very makeable cut on the 6,
-Andrew
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This option is the one I'd choose. I would much rather draw the five for the cut shot on the 6, than play for a bank.
 
Bill O said:
This option is the one I'd choose. I would much rather draw the five for the cut shot on the 6, than play for a bank.
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I would do this too. If you can draw to where the cueball is now, it is a very makeable cut.

or B. accept the bank on the 6 (but not drawing the ball as you suggested, but rather stopping the ball and banking the 6 in the side)

or C. - cut the 5 to bank it to the middle of the end rail and bring whitey back up table for a safety.

It would depend on the layout of the other 3 balls.

Edit - OK, after reading this again and finding out that both the cueball and the 5 ball are frozen, (duh, didn't read/comprehend the position before) then you have to use inside english and throw it in.
 
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If both balls are frozen and you draw the ball it is almost impossible for the 5 ball to come straight back due to both balls being round and parts of them being under the rail. I know it sounds weird but read on.

Guess who told me this. Tom Rossman. That's right Dr. Cue himself. He setup a shot at valley forge at a demo and needed a volunteer. I said sure, he setup a shot where the cue ball and the object ball are frozen to the rail with the 9 ball hanging in the corner so it looks like you can draw into to make it. He asked who can make this shot. I said I can, He gave me five tries and everytime the cueball drew back off the rail. He said the shot is almost impossible and you may get lucky and end up making it once or twice out of about 20 tries. He said the reasoning for this is because the balls are round and are slightly under the rail they are frozen too. Not sure about how true this is, but he is the one up there giving the demo and I couldnt make this shot so I took his word for it.

So with that konwledge the best shot in my opinion is draw back past the side pocket, the cue ball will come off the rail making it a little more comfortable for you.

(Come to think of it, I never tried that shot again, I think im gonna give it a few wacks tonite.)
 
tough shot, you couldn't even bank the cueball off the rail with that distance to get somewhat of a angle. Bank is the only option for me.

Secrets to pool LOL,

Straight in is fine if you ain't on the rail, being on the rail is fine if you ain't straight in.
 
Cornerman said:
I like cinching and banking. Fred
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What Fred said.

But, don't forget to practice the two-way shot here -> it's no gimme, but that's what practice is about. Try to cross-corner bank the 5 (with top right), planning to play it short if you miss. That is, only hit it hard enough to bank to the middle of the bottom rail. The cue will travel 2 rails and end up on top of the 6 (possibly 3 rails depending on the location of the 5 on the long rail). This gives you a "trick shot in hell" chance to get out, but a GREAT chance to win this game. I would consider the two-way more when I was going from the 8 to the 9 - but 5 to the 6 is a good candidate as well.

-td
 
Assuming the 5 can be made.....

The key is the 7 ball. The location of the 7 will dictate what shape you need on the 6.

However, I think shape anywhere on the table can be got by banking the 6..
 
draw

Even though it is tuff to control how far back you draw I would draw the hell out of it trying for the cut on the 6 to the corner. That is if the 7, 8, and 9 aren't in the way somewhere!
 
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