Secret To This Shot........

[JamisonNeu]

I would win your bet maybe we can do this for a cheese burger some day. I think this draw shot can be made on any equipment. I have seen it made many times in my life but, the sure fire way to win from there is to make the five straight in nice and easy and then bank the 6. If I had to draw the ball I would but, in that diagram the only shot is to roll it in and bank the 6. Mostly because the five is very tough to draw out of. Something like 50% if it's the only shot you know. The slow roll is simple as is the cross bank. If you learn the trick to making the 5 slow down the rail then it is a 90% or better maker and the method sets you up on the six like a dream. Some of you have learned the shot I am talking about and can back me up on it being real easy.
Jamison

 

[wayne]

Here's the video link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Z7yNCmp94

Nice job Hal. This should put Skins to bed but my guess is he is just having fun posting that it is impossible even when he sees it being done. It looks to me like you did everything the person in the original post diagrammed. Nice stroke.

I shot the shot 3 times (exactly as shown in the original diagram) and made it 2 out of the 3 times coming off the rail for the shot on the 6. This was on a 9footer with 41/4 inch pockets.

My guess is John Schmidt could probably make the shot and draw the cueball to get straight in on the 6 ball with the cueball a foot away from the 6.

Santos could make the 5 and put the cueball anywhere he wanted on the table.

Skins you had your fun but you are now exposed for the fact you are just clowning around trying to get a lot of posts in.

Wayne

 

[Hal]

I'm certainly not going to argue with Mr. Bob Jewett. If he says it can't be made then that's the law as far as I'm concerned.

As far as making it on a tight 9 footer such as the one I played on last year at the DCC? I doubt it.

 

[wayne]

I'm certainly not going to argue with Mr. Bob Jewett. If he says it can't be made then that's the law as far as I'm concerned.

As far as making it on a tight 9 footer such as the one I played on last year at the DCC? I doubt it.

I don't think Bob Jewett was saying it can't be made, just that it would be more difficult on a certain table (table 4). I am pretty sure he wouldn't give very long odds if Tony Chohan went to his table 4 and wanted to bet it up with some big odds.

Wayne

 

[Hal]

I switched sides and tried a longer shot. Check it out. I've only made it once so far.

 

[Hal]

My equipment:
Schon cue with Schon shaft and moori medium tip
Measles cue ball
Aramith object ball
Pockets are 4.5" in the front and 4.0" in the back
Slow cloth
Distance between the balls is 61" (center of ball to center of ball)
Table size is 44" X 88"

Check out the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEftOtDUN8k

 

[skins]

i've always said the shot as described is a 99.99% quack. i've had a few other great players try this and come back and try again and they can't do it. that coupled with the fact that i've played a while also makes me so sure towards the shots outcome. bob knows the deal and all i'm saying is there's no use to try on this position it's virtually impossible. i would like to put this to rest. i, as hal said also, don't want any ones money. it was all done on principal. it's not that this position "can't" be done, even though on a few of my posts i think i said that, it's that the only way to have a chance, with all things as described in the original post and equipment correct, is by an "artistic" shot. i hope i did not offend anyone ( too much ) and if i have i truly apologize. let's all get back to playin' some great pool.

 

[Harvywallbanger]

i've always said the shot as described is a 99.99% quack. i've had a few other great players try this and come back and try again and they can't do it. that coupled with the fact that i've played a while also makes me so sure towards the shots outcome. bob knows the deal and all i'm saying is there's no use to try on this position it's virtually impossible. i would like to put this to rest. i, as hal said also, don't want any ones money. it was all done on principal. it's not that this position "can't" be done, even though on a few of my posts i think i said that, it's that the only way to have a chance, with all things as described in the original post and equipment correct, is by an "artistic" shot. i hope i did not offend anyone ( too much ) and if i have i truly apologize. let's all get back to playin' some great pool.

I'll let someone else take this one.

 

[Flex]

i've always said the shot as described is a 99.99% quack. i've had a few other great players try this and come back and try again and they can't do it. that coupled with the fact that i've played a while also makes me so sure towards the shots outcome. bob knows the deal and all i'm saying is there's no use to try on this position it's virtually impossible. i would like to put this to rest. i, as hal said also, don't want any ones money. it was all done on principal. it's not that this position "can't" be done, even though on a few of my posts i think i said that, it's that the only way to have a chance, with all things as described in the original post and equipment correct, is by an "artistic" shot. i hope i did not offend anyone ( too much ) and if i have i truly apologize. let's all get back to playin' some great pool.

So, does the offer of that humongous bet still stand, or what?

 

[skins]

So, does the offer of that humongous bet still stand, or what?

anyone who thinks they can do this position or who knows someone pm me. i will be at the biggest tournament in the world at the end of sep. and i'd actually love to be proved wrong. i don't think (99.99%) it will happen though. as far as a cash bet, like i and hal said, i don't want any ones money but as in the word's of a great ultimate fight ref "let's get it on!"

 

[Flex]

anyone who thinks they can do this position or who knows someone pm me. i will be at the biggest tournament in the world at the end of sep. and i'd actually love to be proved wrong. i don't think (99.99%) it will happen though. as far as a cash bet, like i and hal said, i don't want any ones money but as in the word's of a great ultimate fight ref "let's get it on!"

So, is the offer still on?

 

[skins]

I would win your bet maybe we can do this for a cheese burger some day. I think this draw shot can be made on any equipment. I have seen it made many times in my life but, the sure fire way to win from there is to make the five straight in nice and easy and then bank the 6. If I had to draw the ball I would but, in that diagram the only shot is to roll it in and bank the 6. Mostly because the five is very tough to draw out of. Something like 50% if it's the only shot you know. The slow roll is simple as is the cross bank. If you learn the trick to making the 5 slow down the rail then it is a 90% or better maker and the method sets you up on the six like a dream. Some of you have learned the shot I am talking about and can back me up on it being real easy.
Jamison

i like Applebees cheese burgers.

 

[Hal]

I used to watch Randy Vaughn drill this shot at lightning speed on a bar box. Once I learned the shot, it's been one of my favorites. I shoot it all the time. I shoot it with a slow roll cue ball and a hard draw. I've been shooting it for 15 years.

I'm not a A+ run out player and certainly can't string together multiple racks, but when it comes to stroke shots, I think I have the ability and knowledge to make most shots.

I'm not saying I can hang with Jamison or that I have a Mike Massey stroke. But I do have a good one. I think the last video proves at least that much anyway.

 

[Williebetmore]

I'm not a A+ run out player and certainly can't string together multiple racks, but when it comes to stroke shots, I think I have the ability and knowledge to make most shots.

Hal,
Just think how good you are going to be when you "get off the pot" and start playing standing up.

P.S. - If you bring your "playing stool" to DCC we WILL bar you from the AZB room. Sorry.

 

[skins]

I used to watch Randy Vaughn drill this shot at lightning speed on a bar box. Once I learned the shot, it's been one of my favorites. I shoot it all the time. I shoot it with a slow roll cue ball and a hard draw. I've been shooting it for 15 years.

I'm not a A+ run out player and certainly can't string together multiple racks, but when it comes to stroke shots, I think I have the ability and knowledge to make most shots.

I'm not saying I can hang with Jamison or that I have a Mike Massey stroke. But I do have a good one. I think the last video proves at least that much anyway.

i'm sure someday soon we'll meet and were going to have some fun with this shot. if you like a drink every once and a while your gonna need to bring the bottle. when were done you may have a slightly different opinion of your "stroke".

 

[pharaoh68]

My equipment:
Schon cue with Schon shaft and moori medium tip
Measles cue ball
Aramith object ball
Pockets are 4.5" in the front and 4.0" in the back
Slow cloth
Distance between the balls is 61" (center of ball to center of ball)
Table size is 44" X 88"

Check out the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEftOtDUN8k

That's proof enough for me. Hal's got the shot and the stroke. I'd play it differently becaquse I don't have his stroke but as for whether or not its possible, Hal just proved it is!

 

[Harvywallbanger]

Hey Skins are you going to be at the DCC this year? What about you Hal? It would be fun if a few of us got together around a table and shot this shot for a while over friendly drinks or something. I will make it dude.

 

[td873]

[A]s for whether or not its possible, Hal just proved it is!

Well, kinda anyway.

First: Nice shot Hal! How many tries was it?

Second: Now just move the object ball back one diamond and the cue ball forward one diamond (closer to what the original post shows). That extra foot or so on each side makes pocketing the ball with that speed/stroke a helluva lot more difficult. The cueball doesn't have a chance to "curve" back into the shot at the short distance.

Oh, nice washer / dryer set - looks similar to the ones I have

-td

 

[Andrew Manning]

Well, kinda anyway.

First: Nice shot Hal! How many tries was it?

Second: Now just move the object ball back one diamond and the cue ball forward one diamond (closer to what the original post shows). That extra foot or so on each side makes pocketing the ball with that speed/stroke a helluva lot more difficult. The cueball doesn't have a chance to "curve" back into the shot at the short distance.

Oh, nice washer / dryer set - looks similar to the ones I have

-td

Actually, he shot it at several various distances, including the exact shot from the original post, if you look back through and watch all the videos he's posted in this thread. The only thing I think remains to be demonstrated is performing it on a tight, 9', tournament-setup table, such as at DCC, US Open, or IPT. Unfortunately Hal doesn't have one in his basement.

-Andrew

 

[td873]

including the exact shot from the original post,
-Andrew

There are a bunch of pages to this thread...

The only two vid's I saw both had the object ball at/next to the first diamond (closest to the pocket). One did have the cue ball closer to the original post. T

Please point me to the video that has the ojbect ball on the 2nd diamond, I'd like to watch it!

-td