Secret To This Shot........

Originally Posted by Russ Chewning
[...] I saw a shot Cory Deuel made in a tournament that I personally have never been able to make. The fact I saw him do it tells me it can.

If you have any doubts, check this out http://www.tomrosspool.com/pdf/Techn...the Year.pdf . I am 99.95% sure you have never seen this shot. That doesn't mean it's impossible.

Russ
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I thought this type of shot was well known, even though not many players have the confidence to use it.

I must have used it over 100 times in competition play. It's simply a variation of the masse.

Colin
 
Technically Skins is correct. The ball can not be made if they are both frozen to the rail. You have to wait until the ice melts.
 
Hal said:
Technically Skins is correct. The ball can not be made if they are both frozen to the rail. You have to wait until the ice melts.
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it's a cold shot but not that cold. ;) not done only as the poster describes that's all.
 
This morning I made the shot as posted by DCP and actually drew back and scratched. I will attempt to duplicate it and post a video.
 

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Andrew Manning said:
Of course, that also makes this whole thread a little irrelevant. This shot will never come up in a game. Balls are extremely rarely frozen to the rail except in proposition or exhibition shots. I've never seen a game shot where CB and OB are honest-to-god frozen to the same rail.

-Andrew
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You're very fortunate. A lot of equipment, the balls like to stay on the cushion, probably because of the rut caused by the balls bouncing off the cushions.

Fred
 
I made this shot on a 10 footer once, my stroke was perfect and the result was actually more draw than I wanted...
 
The video is uploading now. It will take several hours to complete. I also showed extreme close ups of the balls and used a flashlight behind each ball to show that it is indeed frozen to the rail.

I wasn't able to draw back and scratch, but I got some really good draw all the way to the end rail and back out a few feet.
 
Hal said:
The video is uploading now. It will take several hours to complete. I also showed extreme close ups of the balls and used a flashlight behind each ball to show that it is indeed frozen to the rail.

I wasn't able to draw back and scratch, but I got some really good draw all the way to the end rail and back out a few feet.
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i'm still here hal and ready for the challenge. ;)
 
hey, does anyone know how many posts are in the longest single thread on az? i'm curious. ;)
 
skins, what is it about this particular shot that makes you insist that it can't be done the way that you intend to set it up verses how we are setting it up?

I'm curious to hear your side of the physics of this or what have you to make you deny that this shot is being done correctly by the people that have said they have done it but also put up videos of that shot?:)
 
skins said:
hey, does anyone know how many posts are in the longest single thread on az? i'm curious. ;)
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564 replies in the Please respond thread. Same thread has almost 30,000 views.
 
Nice shooting Hal... but I would like to see someone attempt this shot at the distances diagrammed (correct me if I'm wrong, but yours looks like an 8-foot table, and it looks like you were placing your CB much closer to the OB than in the diagram) and on tight pockets. All but one of the times you made it on that video, the OB came significantly out from the rail, and wouldn't have gone in on a tight table.

I don't want to take credit away from you, and I think skins is fighting a losing battle, but the shot gets much much much tougher the further the CB has to travel before making that perfect contact with the OB, and it gets near impossible on tight equipment.

-Andrew
 
I just finished practicing this shot thanks to this thread. I missed the first 7 or 8 time's then made it twice in a row. After a few more attempts I was making the shot and drawing the cue ball to the top rail and coming off of it about 6 inches to a foot. I made sure the balls were froze to the rail every time.

This was on a 9 ft Diamond Pro with fairly tight pockets. This is a great shot to practice. Thanks for posting it.
 
Andrew Manning said:
Nice shooting Hal... but I would like to see someone attempt this shot at the distances diagrammed (correct me if I'm wrong, but yours looks like an 8-foot table, and it looks like you were placing your CB much closer to the OB than in the diagram) and on tight pockets. All but one of the times you made it on that video, the OB came significantly out from the rail, and wouldn't have gone in on a tight table.

I don't want to take credit away from you, and I think skins is fighting a losing battle, but the shot gets much much much tougher the further the CB has to travel before making that perfect contact with the OB, and it gets near impossible on tight equipment.

-Andrew
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I agree, on tight equipment this shot would be damn near impossible. there have been many assumptions about table size and pocket size, however, do we know what size pockets the original poster was shooting on? If the pockets were as big as my gold crown 9' then I still contest that it can be done, but if they are as tight as the double shim at my pool hall then I would sway the other way on this
 
Bob Jewett said:
... If anyone would care to try the draw shot on table 4, they'll get odds on making both balls. ...
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I just tried the shot on table 4. Anyone who would like to try the shot gets ten tries on the left cushion or twenty tries on the right cushion. If you happen to be in the area, please drop in.
http://www.shorelinebilliards.com/
 
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