Secrets!

[pt109]

Is this the shot?:

CueTable Help

I have a 'rule of thumb' for these situations.....
..which way should I go if I wanted to raise the bet?

the thin cut on a fast-railed Diamond is scary for cue-ball control.
the long bank with draw gives you position.
...with either of these choices I would not raise the bet...

but if I hit thin on the right -hand side and spin it 3 rails for the safe....
..they can jack it.
..cue-ball's in the middle...very comfortable shot

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

what pt said !

I'm looking at this shot and all I'm seeing is the velocity needed to thin that nine in, big spin or not, makes getting position for the 9 on a table with fast cloth, a little tricky. Do-able, but tricky.

When I first saw this cuetable layout I immediately figured I would try to play the exact safety pt described, just shivering the right side of the 8 sending whitey back up to the head rail.

For me to go offense on this particular shot, I'd need a big lead in a very comfortable game.

Best,
Brian kc

 

[John Brumback]

I'm looking at this shot and all I'm seeing is the velocity needed to thin that nine in, big spin or not, makes getting position for the 9 on a table with fast cloth, a little tricky. Do-able, but tricky.

When I first saw this cuetable layout I immediately figured I would try to play the exact safety pt described, just shivering the right side of the 8 sending whitey back up to the head rail.

For me to go offense on this particular shot, I'd need a big lead in a very comfortable game.

Best,
Brian kc

You know..I think you guys are right,after I looked at this again.I'm sure bent over the table getting ready to shoot this,It would not at all be a bad shot to clip It and just play safe.But I think this shot got a little sidetracked a while ago.And like you said It just depends on alot of things.
John B.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Maybe a good samaritan will please?

 

[Jimbojim]

thanks! ans yes, that's shot

 

[rayjay]

Good post, PJ.

..another 'little' secret
lotta people ask for info they aren't ready for....
...if you don't have accuracy, you have no foundation.
Shoot long straight shots with no spin....till you own'em

I totally agree with this, this is one 'secret' that lots of people know about but not too many practice enough for consistency. 'Secrets', to me, are what I don't know or haven't understood yet (the aha moments)...there's no end to this stuff.

 

[JoeyA]

John Brumback BANK CHAMPION VIDEO- COMING TO THE MARKET SOON.

We've even managed to squeeze in a "HOW WOULD YOU PLAY THIS SHOT?" and get one of the best pool players in America to answer it.

SECRETS are on a roll. Now if we can coax a few more bank SECRETS out of John Brumback. Ahh heck, that's not fair. The guy has been very interactive with the Main Forum and HELPFUL. We (I) should at least cut him some slack since he is working on developing his own video of how to bank. I'm sure MANY OF his "SECRETS" will be shared at that time.

JoeyA

 

[Mikjary]

The secret side of this shot is the spin on the cue ball will give enough speed from the throwing action to pocket the ball. You don't need speed from the cue ball. The only speed you have on the cue ball is the speed it picks up when you contact a rail after contact.

I use this spin a lot to hold the cue ball. I don't like to turn whitey loose. It works great when the balls are dirty. Less cling.

Best,
Mike

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

The secret side of this shot is the spin on the cue ball will give enough speed from the throwing action to pocket the ball. You don't need speed from the cue ball. The only speed you have on the cue ball is the speed it picks up when you contact a rail after contact.

I use this spin a lot to hold the cue ball. I don't like to turn whitey loose. It works great when the balls are dirty. Less cling.

Best,
Mike

Mike;

Without the spin, I think you would have to consider hitting that footrail by the 8, then hit the head rail, the foot rail again, then back up near the head rail for position on the 9. :smile: I don't think getting the position would be terribly difficult, to be honest. What is a much lower percentage is potting the 8.

With the big spin, you're right, you won't need as much speed as the spin effect will help launch the 8 ball. And the spin will cause the cueball to hit the side rail on the way back up for position, thus slowing whitey down some. As I said earlier, I think that position play, while tricky, is do-able.

The problem I keep coming back to is the percentage for thinning the 8 in. I'm a pretty good thin cutter and for me, that's about a 60-40 shot. And what makes it even worse is that if you miss that thin cut, you are almost certainly leaving your opponent a hanger, and the game.

That safety in a meaningful match is real appealling.

If I'm whacking them around with a buddy, I'm going for it.

Best,
Brian kc

 

[C.Milian]

No question about this shot.If all new and everything clean like you and I said.I cut the 8 with pure spin(lots of spin),center left cueball.This is not a hard shot.Yes the cball will come 2 rails down for the 9. I wouldn't think about banking this shot.lol I don't think you need any drag at all on the cball for this shot.Just spin.imo. John B.
PS: If everything Is dirty,or humid, I bank the ball and draw back.

You spun the 8? You put outside on that cut?

 

[John Brumback]

You spun the 8? You put outside on that cut?

Yep,John B,

 

[pooladdict]

Mike;

... And what makes it even worse is that if you miss that thin cut, you are almost certainly leaving your opponent a hanger, and the game.

...
Best,
Brian kc

I have to disagree with you here. If you hit these shots with outside spin, you either make the ball or overcut it, hit the short rail and leaves a safety with the CB on one short rail and the OB on the other short rail.

I very rarely these too thick and hang the ball in the pocket.

 

[Jimbojim]

I make it more often than I miss it if I'm not playing for cheese but then again I don't necessarily choose that option. I look to play safe before.

 

[lfigueroa]

What do you mean,"lay to the hole"? I have never heard of that.

How to make the pocket play big Involves holding the bank IE:shorting It up. It's not always Inside english though.Sometime It's outside english but you would still be holding the ball up and briging It In at a better angle.(making the pocket play as big as you can)
Man your trying to make me just give my secrets away.JK JK lol John B.

John, this sounds very much like the principle Freddy showed me at his house.

It works and I would definitely call it a "secret" because, in all honesty, I've never seen anything similar on it, anywhere, in all my readings, watching of tapes and DVDs, or meanderings though various pool halls across the country.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

It is quite apparent that there are SECRETS in the pool world: Information that is kept from others.

Secrets have always been a fun part of life for most people. Holding a secret and/or sharing a secret is supposed to be fun.

Arguing that these pieces of knowledge are not secrets is a pedantic way of viewing things and very sad.

Life is too short to be miserable and pool secrets are meant to be kept and shared. It's even fun to know that there are some who would rather keep a pool secret than to share it. That's what this thread is about, not some pedestal for narrow-minded people to argue about what constitutes a secret.

If you don't think there are any secrets in the pool world, say so and be off with you. There's nothing here for you. Go find some other thread to spread your cancer. This is supposed to be a fun thread about the SECRETS OF POOL.

Who said anything about fun?

Lou Figueroa

 

[C.Milian]

These little pieces of knowledge are SECRETS. You don't see Efren running around telling everyone how he performs his magic do you. This information is KEPT from the general public and you have to discover it by close observation, stealth or getting to be his friend, so if the information is KEPT from the general public even the most ardent supporters of the waning theory that there are no secrets has to concede that these are SECRETS.

Nevertheless, this thread has been a pleasant surprise overall, with some of the finest "SECRETS" being shared, except for a couple of stingy codgers.

Here is an inherently simple, realistic outlook on anything you want to do really well:

If you want to learn arm wrestling, go look for pop-eye, see that guys Fckg arms? If you want to fall off a mountain, buy the book,

"CLIMBING MT. EVEREST BY YOURSELF"

....you will get squashed by mother nature.

So what does this mean?

"You have to find the man thats been down that mountain"---------Little AL

I'm glad I finally got that off my chest. Sorry Al.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

Secret # 458 - Don't fight it...

When an equal, or at least an equally productive result, can be achieved going forward, use that, rather than draw. :thumbup:

Okay, maybe that one wasn't a very closely held secret.

Best,
Brian kc

 

[C.Milian]

#499

Hawaiian Brian is the best matchup artist in the country. During a tournament he ran 7 for the cheese on shims. Then another 7. Thats 14 kids. He probably got more action in between matches. Guys at this calibur don't lie about another's speed. If this post was up 20 years ago...he'd be broke.

How is it possible to put 10 plus together with info readily available to the world?

 

[John Brumback]

John, this sounds very much like the principle Freddy showed me at his house.

It works and I would definitely call it a "secret" because, in all honesty, I've never seen anything similar on it, anywhere, in all my readings, watching of tapes and DVDs, or meanderings though various pool halls across the country.

Lou Figueroa

Thanks Lou,cause I know you've been around the block a time or two and are a good study of the game of pool.I guess It must be a secret, because I sure have seen alot of good players(top players) that don't seem to know It.I think It might be the hardest pool playing teachings to wright down that there Is too.It takes me a small book just to explain one simple shot.lol John B.
PS: If we play again promise not to use It on me.thanks

 

[Mikjary]

Mike;

Without the spin, I think you would have to consider hitting that footrail by the 8, then hit the head rail, the foot rail again, then back up near the head rail for position on the 9. :smile: I don't think getting the position would be terribly difficult, to be honest. What is a much lower percentage is potting the 8.

With the big spin, you're right, you won't need as much speed as the spin effect will help launch the 8 ball. And the spin will cause the cueball to hit the side rail on the way back up for position, thus slowing whitey down some. As I said earlier, I think that position play, while tricky, is do-able.

The problem I keep coming back to is the percentage for thinning the 8 in. I'm a pretty good thin cutter and for me, that's about a 60-40 shot. And what makes it even worse is that if you miss that thin cut, you are almost certainly leaving your opponent a hanger, and the game.

That safety in a meaningful match is real appealling.

If I'm whacking them around with a buddy, I'm going for it.

Best,
Brian kc

You knowhat, Brian, I can totally see your line of reasoning. If you feel you can cinch :grin: this cut without the spin, that is the shot. I'm not as much a thin cut kind of guy. I use it for pos when I should, but sometimes I like to either go down in flames or look like Efren. Either way I'd opt for spinning this shot in.

My mentors taught me to play like that, so it's not my fault. Of course they never missed shots anyway, so I believed them.:grin: I'd back up my opinion more convincingly if I dropped their names, but I don't want to embarrass them by telling all I was their student.

Best,
Mike