with the world we live in now, whats the best way to secure a high stakes game. playing in a public room, you never know who's gonna come in and put a gun to your head. with games made over the internet everyone knows who's playing and for how much.should the room owner put security in place. just curious? (i bet bartram knows how)
securing a high stakes game
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I think it would be fair to both the players and the room for someone to have one of those small fireproof safes like you store handguns in. they are really inexpensive and some require 2 keys to access. you keep one and give the other to someone who is watching or have it behind the counter. Just an idea
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thats cool while your playing,cowboyup.but what about after the game has been played , and one of the players has a pocket full of cash and then try's to leave. i have heard so many story about the player walks outside to get in their car only to meet a gunman. their has to be a way to secure the whole game start to finish.
thats cool while your playing,cowboyup.but what about after the game has been played , and one of the players has a pocket full of cash and then try's to leave. i have heard so many story about the player walks outside to get in their car only to meet a gunman. their has to be a way to secure the whole game start to finish.
There are ways to secure a match. Like any question regarding security it all depends on the probable and possible threat level at a particular time and location.
Having good situational awareness is probably the most important. Basically know what is going on around you and plan accordingly. We have had matches with $50K+ in the room and never had a problem because we are very conscious about where and how the money is handled among other things.
Smart road guys are very good about not letting people know what if any money they have on them and where they are staying or how they get there as well as having an escort when they are carrying any money.
The flip side to that is that if a determined and motivated bad guy decides to target you and is willing to go all the way you are probably going to get robbed. In that case only you can make the decision to fight or give it up. Luckily most criminals are not as smart as in the movies and are lazy. They do not like hard targets. So make yourself a hard target.
Having good situational awareness is probably the most important. Basically know what is going on around you and plan accordingly. We have had matches with $50K+ in the room and never had a problem because we are very conscious about where and how the money is handled among other things.
Smart road guys are very good about not letting people know what if any money they have on them and where they are staying or how they get there as well as having an escort when they are carrying any money.
The flip side to that is that if a determined and motivated bad guy decides to target you and is willing to go all the way you are probably going to get robbed. In that case only you can make the decision to fight or give it up. Luckily most criminals are not as smart as in the movies and are lazy. They do not like hard targets. So make yourself a hard target.
getsome01 said:
The one and only time I risked carrying a tremendous sum of money for more than 100 yards I ...
carry an armed guard with two nickel-plated .45 automatics and a "I don't care if I kill you" attitude to match.
Nickel-plating not necessary, but if you're going to shoot someone, no one says you can't do it in style.
Lots of good advice in this whole thread
Once again, sage advice from the very smartest young guy we have on AZB.
Just a few notes to add....
1. A pro stick up man (men) is not likely to just barge in to a club or room and do a mass hold up. Very rarely does this occur, and when it does, it's usually someone who is in desperate need of the money for the drug withdrawl they're experiencing.
2. A good stick up man will more than likely make his move on the road before or after the proceedings. A common trick is just before things wrap up, one of them goes outside and sticks a tire of the person they're interested in. Then, once they're a few miles down some road, they pull over to change the flat. Usually, this all occurs at night. Even if it's a busy road, how many times do we see a car with a flat tire have another car stopped behind them to "help"? Most passerby's would not even think twice that what they saw was a robbery. Just as equally cunning is to just wait until the next day or so, when the big winner's guard is likely to be down. There are way too many ruses to list them all here.
3. Iba7467's words of wisdom are hard to beat, although I think it's better to have two guys with heat than one guy with two pieces. And just a little comment on the nickel finish....no good tactically for two reasons.
If someone is carrying a nickel plated handgun in their waistband behind an open coat or shirt, it's much easier to catch a glimpse of it than a blued or matte finish. And two, if you happen to be hunkered down at night in a gunfight, believe me, the nickle is the same as a flouresant light. It does reflect whatever light is around. Plus, nickle plated .45's only have 7 round magazine capacities, plus one up top. The double stacked Glocks or Springfield Armory .45's have 13 round magazines, plus one up top.
4. I think that it's always prudent to be vigilant and aware of your surroundings. But there are a lot more better "targets' than a pool player who just scored. Not only is that a very rare breed, but the life expectancy of a pool players money is measured in hours, not days or weeks.
The robber has to act quick to actually catch a pool player with some money on him or her.
5. To add to these august festivities, we need Johnny T to wade in here with his thoughts on the subject.
iba7467 said:
Once again, sage advice from the very smartest young guy we have on AZB.
Just a few notes to add....
1. A pro stick up man (men) is not likely to just barge in to a club or room and do a mass hold up. Very rarely does this occur, and when it does, it's usually someone who is in desperate need of the money for the drug withdrawl they're experiencing.
2. A good stick up man will more than likely make his move on the road before or after the proceedings. A common trick is just before things wrap up, one of them goes outside and sticks a tire of the person they're interested in. Then, once they're a few miles down some road, they pull over to change the flat. Usually, this all occurs at night. Even if it's a busy road, how many times do we see a car with a flat tire have another car stopped behind them to "help"? Most passerby's would not even think twice that what they saw was a robbery. Just as equally cunning is to just wait until the next day or so, when the big winner's guard is likely to be down. There are way too many ruses to list them all here.
3. Iba7467's words of wisdom are hard to beat, although I think it's better to have two guys with heat than one guy with two pieces. And just a little comment on the nickel finish....no good tactically for two reasons.
If someone is carrying a nickel plated handgun in their waistband behind an open coat or shirt, it's much easier to catch a glimpse of it than a blued or matte finish. And two, if you happen to be hunkered down at night in a gunfight, believe me, the nickle is the same as a flouresant light. It does reflect whatever light is around. Plus, nickle plated .45's only have 7 round magazine capacities, plus one up top. The double stacked Glocks or Springfield Armory .45's have 13 round magazines, plus one up top.
4. I think that it's always prudent to be vigilant and aware of your surroundings. But there are a lot more better "targets' than a pool player who just scored. Not only is that a very rare breed, but the life expectancy of a pool players money is measured in hours, not days or weeks.
The robber has to act quick to actually catch a pool player with some money on him or her.5. To add to these august festivities, we need Johnny T to wade in here with his thoughts on the subject.
High Stakes or low stakes......
High stakes action is rare in the pool world, most are friendly $20 or $50 sets and settled up instantly. High stakes players and backers know who they are and I don't think security is much of an issue. As far as the room owner "paying " for security just because somebody has a high stakes bet, I don't think so. If you think there should be security, then bring your big gorilla friend to watch your back. Of course ya may have to give him 10%.JMHO
Really now......if you walk in a pool room and 2 players are gambling, nobody really cares for how much. There might be a few railbirds that want to sweat the action, but for the most part I beleive there could be thousand dollar game right under your nose and most people in the pool romm would never know. You would be surprised as to how many people go in a pool room just to drink or socialize. They dont play good pool and dont care about the serious pool players.getsome01 said:
High stakes action is rare in the pool world, most are friendly $20 or $50 sets and settled up instantly. High stakes players and backers know who they are and I don't think security is much of an issue. As far as the room owner "paying " for security just because somebody has a high stakes bet, I don't think so. If you think there should be security, then bring your big gorilla friend to watch your back. Of course ya may have to give him 10%.JMHO
tucson9ball said:Really now......if you walk in a pool room and 2 players are gambling, nobody really cares for how much. There might be a few railbirds that want to sweat the action, but for the most part I beleive there could be thousand dollar game right under your nose and most people in the pool romm would never know. You would be surprised as to how many people go in a pool room just to drink or socialize. They dont play good pool and dont care about the serious pool players.
High stakes action is rare in the pool world, most are friendly $20 or $50 sets and settled up instantly. High stakes players and backers know who they are and I don't think security is much of an issue. As far as the room owner "paying " for security just because somebody has a high stakes bet, I don't think so. If you think there should be security, then bring your big gorilla friend to watch your back. Of course ya may have to give him 10%.JMHO
Good post tuscon9ball, but I have a comment on your line about "nobody really cares for how much" There are guys in pooldom that are like the highest grade tracking dogs...they can smell anything over $500.00 from miles away!
Factor in the fact that you got guys woofin it up on the internet, and it's not hard to see that if or when big action does happen, railbirds all over the country follow it right here on AZB. Remember McNugget? Telephone, telegraph and tell a McNugget! Word does get around if the boys are playing for big bucks.
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i was talking to lil john a few weeks back, and one of the main reasons he quit playing was due to the fact of things like this. if you think about it, some ((not all)) of the people who back pool players are drug dealers with lots of cash to bet.you never know who's staking the player your playing , and who their friends are.
i was talking to lil john a few weeks back, and one of the main reasons he quit playing was due to the fact of things like this. if you think about it, some ((not all)) of the people who back pool players are drug dealers with lots of cash to bet.you never know who's staking the player your playing , and who their friends are.
getsome01 said:
Is this who I think it is?
Check your PMs....
Agreed
I wil tell ya I am no high stakes player but if I was it would not be on the public internet either. Some things were not meant for public forums.
I would agree about watching out where you play also.Terry Ardeno said:Good post tuscon9ball, but I have a comment on your line about "nobody really cares for how much" There are guys in pooldom that are like the highest grade tracking dogs...they can smell anything over $500.00 from miles away!
Word does get around if the boys are playing for big bucks.
I wil tell ya I am no high stakes player but if I was it would not be on the public internet either. Some things were not meant for public forums.
Terry Ardeno said:
As always Terry, your comments are dead on. As was mentioned earlier, most thugs stay away from hard targets. That is why my "friend" wore his two .45's Bruce Willis' double shoulder strapped style. The reason for having the guy there was to ward off would-be vandals not to actually confront them. Please remind me to throw on a vest if I ever make you mad.
I'm sure since the Internet came there are more of these robberies. I would not like the amount of money I was playing for made public on the net. I'm also surprised that more high priced cues have not become targets.
I agree with what Terry and iba# said. Just remember, shoot the *ssholes in the head where some poor nurse doesn't have to take care of them. I hate that shoot them in the leg crap. Johnnyt
I agree with what Terry and iba# said. Just remember, shoot the *ssholes in the head where some poor nurse doesn't have to take care of them. I hate that shoot them in the leg crap. Johnnyt
uhhhhh......no.gregoryg said:
There are many things wrong with that statement. Judges do not convict. Juries do. (Unless you have a bench trial) The use of deadly force even to protect yourself is a hairy subject especially if you are in certain states and do not possess the right licenses. There are plenty of people who have had their lives ruined by doing just what you stated.
But I do agree with the old bumper sticker : Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Bring back the wild west...then we'll see who's boss. Alaska was kind of like that in the 1950's to early 1960's. Everyone had a gun belt on with a Magnum in the holster and/or a rifle when they walked into a bar. I kind of liked it myself. It made for more manners. After all any fight could be your last. Johnnyt