Several reasons why not to support the IPT
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pete lafond said:
Thats what I am talking about. I know KT is not just throwing money blindly at this, but who knows the billiard industry from a professional players stand point as well as a successful business person- Mike Sigel. Of course, KT makes the final decisions, but I think it is Sigel that directs this based on his experience. Dont forget, Sigel has money too (not near as much KT) and is probably the most successful pool player who ever played the game and outside of the game as well. I sure their is a 3 year plan in place for this.
I talked to Niels over the weekend at the Turning Stone Casino and this letter did go out to all the players. He told me he doesn't think he will play on the IPT because he could be banned from playing any WPA event for 2 to 5 years. As his good friend, I told him with your skills, you would be an idiot if you didn't play on and support Kevin Trudeau and the IPT. As Corey and Shawn's backer, I told him that he and all the other WPA players should stay there ass in Europe. This way Corey and Shawn have a better chance of winning, so I can get my fee, which is free and doesn't cost Corey and Shawn anything becasue it comes out of there prize money.
sjm said:
I really don't recall who Jennifer Chen is, but I really don't remember seeing her in any movies or in any advertisements here in the US. If you could provide some info on here, it would be interesting. Thanks...
Mike Sigel is one of a few successful pool players outside of playing as a professional, at least here in the US...Allen Hopkins, would also be in this catagory...
Al-fahl Amir said:
Has there been an official threat made to the top players from WPA or their representatives, or is it just rumour...do you know?
I say give it a chance. The WPA, BCA, and the other so-called governing bodies of billiards aren't worth a shit. They don't care about the players or the game.
JustPlay said:
Or it could be Efren Reyes. He's consistently ranked in the top 3 in the world in tournament winnings. He's also a good gambler. He's a national hero in the Philliphines, so he probably gets his share of advertisements. I believe he also starred in 1 movie in the Philliphines.
the kirkwood ki said:
Isn't it funny how almost many pool related organization says that they are the governing body of pool? The problem is that there is none. A governing body of pool would promote various tours in support of billiards.
JustPlay said:
Jennifer Chen is a pool-playing superstar from Taiwan that spent much of the late 90's ranked in the WPBA top five. She lived in Los angeles for a few years, but commutes to and from WPBA events now, and doesn't play quite as well as she used to. It is in her home country that she is a Michael-Jordan level celebrity, and all the movies she has made and all the TV appearances she has had were in Asia.
sjm said:
I think that Steve Davis would have her beat by a little. I remember reading in one year he made over 1 million in snooker winnings plus over 18 million in endorsements. Since he is a professional pool player now he would qualify as the one who has made the most outside of pool and it is in the tens of millions.
Wayne
I think it's comic how these world sanctioning bodies are lining up to issue threats. What are they without the players? And what have they got to offer but a sub-living wage through their tournaments? Kings of nothing. Don't know how exactly to handicap the IPT's chances, but like Fast Eddie said when he knuckled under to Bert: Better 25% of something than 100% of nothing.
pro9dg said:
Sounds to me like someone is a little on the jealous side. Who am i to say who is jealous, also, who am I to try and tell someone what they can and can't do with their money. I think its one hell of an idea. What if he only runs one tourny? So what! Is this a monopoly now? Who says he has to run more, the WPA? I think maybe IAN should work for Microsoft. I cant wait to watch. I dont care what the guy says. This tour is providing more money for a tournament than ever seen in the industry. Get over it, make friends with the guy instead of shooting him down. Maybe he'll make a donation to your organization. Just get off his back, whatever you do.
IPA Overview
Much water has run under the bridge since this post was last updated. But I think that I am spot on with a number of predictions that I made.
Over 50% of the field are from the USA but this is logical as the majority of the calendar indicates US based events. The Europeans have come in but not in force. The Heavy Hitters - Souquet, Immonen, Hohmann, Lely and Feijen, Chamat, Petroni have all signed on the dotted. But Engert, Ortmann and Tot are notably absent. Were they scared off by the threat of a ban?
The ban that doesn't look like coming. All the IPA players listed above are on the roster for the WPA World 8 Ball Championship early next month. So are Efren, Busta and Manalo and it would take a big leap into the dark for the WPA to start handing out bans. The other players may be question their own judgement and their ongoing loyalty to them. Kevin Trudeau seems adamant in his latest interview that he foresees no benefit in linking with the WPA.
As an erstwhile promoter I commend KT for creating something that myself and a few others have been trying to achieve for many years. Get the game a bit of respect. Golf and Tennis are probably the top participant sport and the have respect - money gained them that status. Now we are looking like the road ahead can take them where 'the streets are paved with gold'.
The rest of us must try harder to match the IPT. How I wish that I could play!
Much water has run under the bridge since this post was last updated. But I think that I am spot on with a number of predictions that I made.
Over 50% of the field are from the USA but this is logical as the majority of the calendar indicates US based events. The Europeans have come in but not in force. The Heavy Hitters - Souquet, Immonen, Hohmann, Lely and Feijen, Chamat, Petroni have all signed on the dotted. But Engert, Ortmann and Tot are notably absent. Were they scared off by the threat of a ban?
The ban that doesn't look like coming. All the IPA players listed above are on the roster for the WPA World 8 Ball Championship early next month. So are Efren, Busta and Manalo and it would take a big leap into the dark for the WPA to start handing out bans. The other players may be question their own judgement and their ongoing loyalty to them. Kevin Trudeau seems adamant in his latest interview that he foresees no benefit in linking with the WPA.
As an erstwhile promoter I commend KT for creating something that myself and a few others have been trying to achieve for many years. Get the game a bit of respect. Golf and Tennis are probably the top participant sport and the have respect - money gained them that status. Now we are looking like the road ahead can take them where 'the streets are paved with gold'.
The rest of us must try harder to match the IPT. How I wish that I could play!
Gabber
Banned
Finally!
Excellent post Berry, but as you see, your points have been totally ignored!
Some other points.
In the interview on BD, KT says the WPA DEMANDED $150,000. Someone on this thread says now it was $250,000!
He also says in the interview that the WPA threatened to not ALLOW its players to play the IPT tour. Its strange that the letter from the WPA DIRECTLY contradicts this statement. Someone is lying!
KT contends that his 24 month stint in prison was a minor indescretion, nobody got hurt.
Quote,
"With little regard for the consequences, Trudeau started cutting corners to make even more money.
"When things got tight," Trudeau says, "and cash flow got a little sideways, it became easy to rationalize any decision I needed to make to keep the business going. You think, 'Oh, no one will get hurt.' Your morals and ethics get skewed." When a credit card company cancelled his card in 1982, for reasons Trudeau feels were unjustified, he retaliated by getting another card note-singular!using his middle name, Mark. Trudeau insists everything he charged to that card was paid off promptly, but when it was discovered it clearly constituted credit card fraud.
Around the same time, Trudeau bounced seven checks from accounts he had in various banks around the country, constituting seven counts of larceny. Although Trudeau insists the mistake was a simple miscalculation, and there was no intent to defraud ("No one lost a penny," he says."), the crimes earned him 24 months in federal prison.
"When you have a prosecutor who is intent on taking a young, cocky, successful person down," Trudeau says without a trace of resentment, "you can't fight it. There's no defense, so you're going to jail."
End of quote.
Thank you smoking gun! Someone is lying. Read on .
the truth
You tell me, is this the impression you got when you read the interview?
Gabber...................
berry said:
Excellent post Berry, but as you see, your points have been totally ignored!
Some other points.
In the interview on BD, KT says the WPA DEMANDED $150,000. Someone on this thread says now it was $250,000!
He also says in the interview that the WPA threatened to not ALLOW its players to play the IPT tour. Its strange that the letter from the WPA DIRECTLY contradicts this statement. Someone is lying!
KT contends that his 24 month stint in prison was a minor indescretion, nobody got hurt.
Quote,
"With little regard for the consequences, Trudeau started cutting corners to make even more money.
"When things got tight," Trudeau says, "and cash flow got a little sideways, it became easy to rationalize any decision I needed to make to keep the business going. You think, 'Oh, no one will get hurt.' Your morals and ethics get skewed." When a credit card company cancelled his card in 1982, for reasons Trudeau feels were unjustified, he retaliated by getting another card note-singular!using his middle name, Mark. Trudeau insists everything he charged to that card was paid off promptly, but when it was discovered it clearly constituted credit card fraud.
Around the same time, Trudeau bounced seven checks from accounts he had in various banks around the country, constituting seven counts of larceny. Although Trudeau insists the mistake was a simple miscalculation, and there was no intent to defraud ("No one lost a penny," he says."), the crimes earned him 24 months in federal prison.
"When you have a prosecutor who is intent on taking a young, cocky, successful person down," Trudeau says without a trace of resentment, "you can't fight it. There's no defense, so you're going to jail."
End of quote.
Thank you smoking gun! Someone is lying. Read on .
the truth
You tell me, is this the impression you got when you read the interview?
Gabber...................
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I know Oliver was on the board of the IBC which is sanctioned by the WPA. I don't know if he still is but his close connection with this and with Mosconi Cup could explain his retisence (sp?) in joining the IPT.pro9dg said:
I also heard the European federation sent out a threat to players so this might explan why more Europeans didn't apply. Also, I suspect many of them knew little about it.