Several reasons why not to support the IPT
- Thread starter juegabillar
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I wanted to respond to several posts at once, so forgive that I am not quoting everyone personally.
I do agree that the WPA did have to try to get the IPT to sanction their tour. I would imagine the WPBA did the same thing. The WPA has made some inroads for players, especially in Europe and Asia, but I do agree that it is all about the money.
The first rule of marketing is to see a void and fill it. Through KT's friendship with Mike (I believe KT got lessons from Mike), he was dialed into the professional pool player's plight. MS helped KT get this off the ground with ideas and feedback, but he is definitely not controlling it. He didn't even know who the 150 players selected were until it was published. He made his recommendations and so did other trusted advisors of KT's in the pool world. The veracity of the statements made on the applications were checked. Priority was given to those that applied early, showing an excitement for this new tour and the belief that this was going to be great, especially to those that were willing to put up the initial $899, which was eventually lowered to only $1. This was due to his credibility being questioned. There had been an attempt to organize a tournament for a million dollar first prize with a $10,000 entry and it either folded or the guy ran off with the money. So KT said he didn't need the money and lowered the membership fees to $1. This shows that KT is doing everything in his power to overcome past mistakes and not lose credibility. I think the initial fee of $899 was to weed out those that were serious about this opportunity and to find those that were genuinely excited about the tour.
He has never tried to hide his convictions, indeed, he was the first one to bring them up, and those spending sprees/credit card fraud came after finding out he was adopted. I found out at the age of 14 that I was adopted and it was devastating. While I acted out by 'being perfect', afraid that I would lose yet another set of parents (I had 7 different sets of parents by the age of 10), people react to trauma in different ways. The pain and sense of abandonment are always there, but we do go on to lead productive, even successful lives. For KT, money means security in a different way than it does for others. It means he can control his own destiny by producing money. Like food for anorexics, it is an area he feels that he is in control of. I'm not saying what he did isn't wrong, I'm just saying I can understand the desperation behind it. Whatever, he is up front about it and he takes extra care that he is not associated with shady dealings in the present.
The history of the Teamster's union is rife with extortion, bribery, sweetheart deals with organized crime to build casinos in Vegas, kickbacks, corruption, bribery, (including a US senator), tax evasion, misuse of campaign funds, witness tampering, embezzling, raiding member's pension funds, racketeering, and illegal contributions. Yet for the 1.4 million Teamsters, there is no doubt that the organization helps the workers with fair wages and protects its industries. It helped implement the standard work week that we now enjoy and overtime pay for women and minorities. This is an extreme example of a checkered past being able to bring about good. So let's move forward and let KT have a chance.
About the FTC charges, READ THE BOOK! Kevin goes in depth regarding the unholy alliance with the FTC, FDA and the food industry that is big business trying to control all aspects of what you hear, read, see, put in your mouth or take as medication. Obesity is now a 'disease' instead of being overweight and only drugs can cure disease (instead of eating less and exercising). To say otherwise is anarchy and must be punished. Kevin says that if he says oranges CURE scurvy, then oranges must be considered a drug and must be patented! How ludicrous is that? To be charged by the FTC should not be frowned upon, but possibly an honor. lol
Kevin also does not sell any vitamin/mineral/supplement products, but tries to promote a toxic-free environment and natural regimens to fight cancer.
KT has committed $2M for advertising and promotion. Who else is doing that for pool? Hiring an ad agency with the clout and prestige of the Morris agency is unprecedented and puts us in the big time.
ESPN coverage - did you know the WPBA pays ESPN to be on tv? Not the other way around as most people assume. Most of their monies goes toward these costs. Another big expense is their website; just to maintain it costs them thousands of dollars. I always felt there were enough qualified techies out there that would do it for free, to save them thousands a year.
I would like to see coverage of highlights of ALL matches and exciting shots, plus personalities on tv for Joe Schmoe, with complete matches being webcast for a nominal fee or membership area on the IPT website.
As mentioned, there is no $899 membership fee, it's only $1. While the first 2 stops are for the selected 150, the other 2 stops allow anyone to enter for $1000 entry fee, so it truly is open to everyone.
Dates - Even in our little corner of the world, people are always choosing conflicting dates which spreads the fields in both tournaments. KT realized the original dates conflicted with Reno and changed them. Trying to coordinate a tour of this magnitude, arranging the attendant venues and promotion needs a lot of lead time. I know the first stop conflicts with SEA, but the rest of the schedule is published for the next year, so that tournaments can schedule around the IPT. He is not out purposely to crush other tournaments, but to complement them, and allow players to make a living from participation in EVERY tournament they can.
Changing rules - 8 ball is the game that has the most participation worldwide and the average Joe can relate to it. It is not dull and slop does not figure into it like 9 ball. The strategy for 8 ball can be very exciting. The rules are changing, but back to old school which will favor those with a stroke, accuracy and superior strategy. Right now with 9ball, you not only have the luck factor of slop, but oversize pockets and fast cloth where you barely have to dink it to go 3 rails.
Changing rules? How about when the 9 ball was racked on the spot instead of the 1 ball when the WPBA used the Sardo Tight Rack? Overnight, they changed the rules of 9ball, all because of a sponsor.
It is a US based organization, but look at the roster of players - it truly is international. The players I do not believe are too afraid of the ban. I am wondering if Ortmann, et al, are not playing simply because they neglected to apply?
Jennifer Chen - she is a star in Taiwan, hounded by press like Jennifer Anniston here. She had her own talk show and starred in several movies. She has written 2 books as well. I knew her when she first came over by way of Canada. You can see her in her 'chubbier' days in my album: www.rackmsuckr.myphotoalbum.com. She is in my section of pictures under the subalbum 'pool buddies'. She actually used my photos in her first book without permission and promised me an autographed copy which I still have not seen.
Efren is a national hero - I hear his picture is up in their airport! Jeanette and Allison have been successful at marketing themselves as well. Jeanette has aligned herself with several pool computer games which was a smart move. I was actually in one of her commercials for Virtual Pool 3 and got to see first hand her star treatment in the industry.
My point is this - let's take the BS out of Billiard Sports (illiard ports?). Quit bashing Kevin. He has brought a new enthusiasm and interest in pool, bringing it to the masses and infused new money into the sport, bringing the opportunity for players and the industry to advance. The WPA should welcome another contender into the ring if they really want their players to succeed. "Natural pool - what THEY don't want you to know about."
Sorry this is so long - I saved it all up to reply to everyone at once.
I do agree that the WPA did have to try to get the IPT to sanction their tour. I would imagine the WPBA did the same thing. The WPA has made some inroads for players, especially in Europe and Asia, but I do agree that it is all about the money.
The first rule of marketing is to see a void and fill it. Through KT's friendship with Mike (I believe KT got lessons from Mike), he was dialed into the professional pool player's plight. MS helped KT get this off the ground with ideas and feedback, but he is definitely not controlling it. He didn't even know who the 150 players selected were until it was published. He made his recommendations and so did other trusted advisors of KT's in the pool world. The veracity of the statements made on the applications were checked. Priority was given to those that applied early, showing an excitement for this new tour and the belief that this was going to be great, especially to those that were willing to put up the initial $899, which was eventually lowered to only $1. This was due to his credibility being questioned. There had been an attempt to organize a tournament for a million dollar first prize with a $10,000 entry and it either folded or the guy ran off with the money. So KT said he didn't need the money and lowered the membership fees to $1. This shows that KT is doing everything in his power to overcome past mistakes and not lose credibility. I think the initial fee of $899 was to weed out those that were serious about this opportunity and to find those that were genuinely excited about the tour.
He has never tried to hide his convictions, indeed, he was the first one to bring them up, and those spending sprees/credit card fraud came after finding out he was adopted. I found out at the age of 14 that I was adopted and it was devastating. While I acted out by 'being perfect', afraid that I would lose yet another set of parents (I had 7 different sets of parents by the age of 10), people react to trauma in different ways. The pain and sense of abandonment are always there, but we do go on to lead productive, even successful lives. For KT, money means security in a different way than it does for others. It means he can control his own destiny by producing money. Like food for anorexics, it is an area he feels that he is in control of. I'm not saying what he did isn't wrong, I'm just saying I can understand the desperation behind it. Whatever, he is up front about it and he takes extra care that he is not associated with shady dealings in the present.
The history of the Teamster's union is rife with extortion, bribery, sweetheart deals with organized crime to build casinos in Vegas, kickbacks, corruption, bribery, (including a US senator), tax evasion, misuse of campaign funds, witness tampering, embezzling, raiding member's pension funds, racketeering, and illegal contributions. Yet for the 1.4 million Teamsters, there is no doubt that the organization helps the workers with fair wages and protects its industries. It helped implement the standard work week that we now enjoy and overtime pay for women and minorities. This is an extreme example of a checkered past being able to bring about good. So let's move forward and let KT have a chance.
About the FTC charges, READ THE BOOK! Kevin goes in depth regarding the unholy alliance with the FTC, FDA and the food industry that is big business trying to control all aspects of what you hear, read, see, put in your mouth or take as medication. Obesity is now a 'disease' instead of being overweight and only drugs can cure disease (instead of eating less and exercising). To say otherwise is anarchy and must be punished. Kevin says that if he says oranges CURE scurvy, then oranges must be considered a drug and must be patented! How ludicrous is that? To be charged by the FTC should not be frowned upon, but possibly an honor. lol
Kevin also does not sell any vitamin/mineral/supplement products, but tries to promote a toxic-free environment and natural regimens to fight cancer.
KT has committed $2M for advertising and promotion. Who else is doing that for pool? Hiring an ad agency with the clout and prestige of the Morris agency is unprecedented and puts us in the big time.
ESPN coverage - did you know the WPBA pays ESPN to be on tv? Not the other way around as most people assume. Most of their monies goes toward these costs. Another big expense is their website; just to maintain it costs them thousands of dollars. I always felt there were enough qualified techies out there that would do it for free, to save them thousands a year.
I would like to see coverage of highlights of ALL matches and exciting shots, plus personalities on tv for Joe Schmoe, with complete matches being webcast for a nominal fee or membership area on the IPT website.
As mentioned, there is no $899 membership fee, it's only $1. While the first 2 stops are for the selected 150, the other 2 stops allow anyone to enter for $1000 entry fee, so it truly is open to everyone.
Dates - Even in our little corner of the world, people are always choosing conflicting dates which spreads the fields in both tournaments. KT realized the original dates conflicted with Reno and changed them. Trying to coordinate a tour of this magnitude, arranging the attendant venues and promotion needs a lot of lead time. I know the first stop conflicts with SEA, but the rest of the schedule is published for the next year, so that tournaments can schedule around the IPT. He is not out purposely to crush other tournaments, but to complement them, and allow players to make a living from participation in EVERY tournament they can.
Changing rules - 8 ball is the game that has the most participation worldwide and the average Joe can relate to it. It is not dull and slop does not figure into it like 9 ball. The strategy for 8 ball can be very exciting. The rules are changing, but back to old school which will favor those with a stroke, accuracy and superior strategy. Right now with 9ball, you not only have the luck factor of slop, but oversize pockets and fast cloth where you barely have to dink it to go 3 rails.
Changing rules? How about when the 9 ball was racked on the spot instead of the 1 ball when the WPBA used the Sardo Tight Rack? Overnight, they changed the rules of 9ball, all because of a sponsor.
It is a US based organization, but look at the roster of players - it truly is international. The players I do not believe are too afraid of the ban. I am wondering if Ortmann, et al, are not playing simply because they neglected to apply?
Jennifer Chen - she is a star in Taiwan, hounded by press like Jennifer Anniston here. She had her own talk show and starred in several movies. She has written 2 books as well. I knew her when she first came over by way of Canada. You can see her in her 'chubbier' days in my album: www.rackmsuckr.myphotoalbum.com. She is in my section of pictures under the subalbum 'pool buddies'. She actually used my photos in her first book without permission and promised me an autographed copy which I still have not seen.
Efren is a national hero - I hear his picture is up in their airport! Jeanette and Allison have been successful at marketing themselves as well. Jeanette has aligned herself with several pool computer games which was a smart move. I was actually in one of her commercials for Virtual Pool 3 and got to see first hand her star treatment in the industry.
My point is this - let's take the BS out of Billiard Sports (illiard ports?). Quit bashing Kevin. He has brought a new enthusiasm and interest in pool, bringing it to the masses and infused new money into the sport, bringing the opportunity for players and the industry to advance. The WPA should welcome another contender into the ring if they really want their players to succeed. "Natural pool - what THEY don't want you to know about."
Sorry this is so long - I saved it all up to reply to everyone at once.
rackmsuckr said:I wanted to respond to several posts at once, so forgive that I am not quoting everyone personally.
I do agree that the WPA did have to try to get the IPT to sanction their tour. I would imagine the WPBA did the same thing. The WPA has made some inroads for players, especially in Europe and Asia, but I do agree that it is all about the money.
The first rule of marketing is to see a void and fill it. Through KT's friendship with Mike (I believe KT got lessons from Mike), he was dialed into the professional pool player's plight. MS helped KT get this off the ground with ideas and feedback, but he is definitely not controlling it. He didn't even know who the 150 players selected were until it was published. He made his recommendations and so did other trusted advisors of KT's in the pool world. The veracity of the statements made on the applications were checked. Priority was given to those that applied early, showing an excitement for this new tour and the belief that this was going to be great, especially to those that were willing to put up the initial $899, which was eventually lowered to only $1. This was due to his credibility being questioned. There had been an attempt to organize a tournament for a million dollar first prize with a $10,000 entry and it either folded or the guy ran off with the money. So KT said he didn't need the money and lowered the membership fees to $1. This shows that KT is doing everything in his power to overcome past mistakes and not lose credibility. I think the initial fee of $899 was to weed out those that were serious about this opportunity and to find those that were genuinely excited about the tour.
He has never tried to hide his convictions, indeed, he was the first one to bring them up, and those spending sprees/credit card fraud came after finding out he was adopted. I found out at the age of 14 that I was adopted and it was devastating. While I acted out by 'being perfect', afraid that I would lose yet another set of parents (I had 7 different sets of parents by the age of 10), people react to trauma in different ways. The pain and sense of abandonment are always there, but we do go on to lead productive, even successful lives. For KT, money means security in a different way than it does for others. It means he can control his own destiny by producing money. Like food for anorexics, it is an area he feels that he is in control of. I'm not saying what he did isn't wrong, I'm just saying I can understand the desperation behind it. Whatever, he is up front about it and he takes extra care that he is not associated with shady dealings in the present.
The history of the Teamster's union is rife with extortion, bribery, sweetheart deals with organized crime to build casinos in Vegas, kickbacks, corruption, bribery, (including a US senator), tax evasion, misuse of campaign funds, witness tampering, embezzling, raiding member's pension funds, racketeering, and illegal contributions. Yet for the 1.4 million Teamsters, there is no doubt that the organization helps the workers with fair wages and protects its industries. It helped implement the standard work week that we now enjoy and overtime pay for women and minorities. This is an extreme example of a checkered past being able to bring about good. So let's move forward and let KT have a chance.
About the FTC charges, READ THE BOOK! Kevin goes in depth regarding the unholy alliance with the FTC, FDA and the food industry that is big business trying to control all aspects of what you hear, read, see, put in your mouth or take as medication. Obesity is now a 'disease' instead of being overweight and only drugs can cure disease (instead of eating less and exercising). To say otherwise is anarchy and must be punished. Kevin says that if he says oranges CURE scurvy, then oranges must be considered a drug and must be patented! How ludicrous is that? To be charged by the FTC should not be frowned upon, but possibly an honor. lol
Kevin also does not sell any vitamin/mineral/supplement products, but tries to promote a toxic-free environment and natural regimens to fight cancer.
KT has committed $2M for advertising and promotion. Who else is doing that for pool? Hiring an ad agency with the clout and prestige of the Morris agency is unprecedented and puts us in the big time.
ESPN coverage - did you know the WPBA pays ESPN to be on tv? Not the other way around as most people assume. Most of their monies goes toward these costs. Another big expense is their website; just to maintain it costs them thousands of dollars. I always felt there were enough qualified techies out there that would do it for free, to save them thousands a year.
I would like to see coverage of highlights of ALL matches and exciting shots, plus personalities on tv for Joe Schmoe, with complete matches being webcast for a nominal fee or membership area on the IPT website.
As mentioned, there is no $899 membership fee, it's only $1. While the first 2 stops are for the selected 150, the other 2 stops allow anyone to enter for $1000 entry fee, so it truly is open to everyone.
Dates - Even in our little corner of the world, people are always choosing conflicting dates which spreads the fields in both tournaments. KT realized the original dates conflicted with Reno and changed them. Trying to coordinate a tour of this magnitude, arranging the attendant venues and promotion needs a lot of lead time. I know the first stop conflicts with SEA, but the rest of the schedule is published for the next year, so that tournaments can schedule around the IPT. He is not out purposely to crush other tournaments, but to complement them, and allow players to make a living from participation in EVERY tournament they can.
Changing rules - 8 ball is the game that has the most participation worldwide and the average Joe can relate to it. It is not dull and slop does not figure into it like 9 ball. The strategy for 8 ball can be very exciting. The rules are changing, but back to old school which will favor those with a stroke, accuracy and superior strategy. Right now with 9ball, you not only have the luck factor of slop, but oversize pockets and fast cloth where you barely have to dink it to go 3 rails.
Changing rules? How about when the 9 ball was racked on the spot instead of the 1 ball when the WPBA used the Sardo Tight Rack? Overnight, they changed the rules of 9ball, all because of a sponsor.
It is a US based organization, but look at the roster of players - it truly is international. The players I do not believe are too afraid of the ban. I am wondering if Ortmann, et al, are not playing simply because they neglected to apply?
Jennifer Chen - she is a star in Taiwan, hounded by press like Jennifer Anniston here. She had her own talk show and starred in several movies. She has written 2 books as well. I knew her when she first came over by way of Canada. You can see her in her 'chubbier' days in my album: www.rackmsuckr.myphotoalbum.com. She is in my section of pictures under the subalbum 'pool buddies'. She actually used my photos in her first book without permission and promised me an autographed copy which I still have not seen.
Efren is a national hero - I hear his picture is up in their airport! Jeanette and Allison have been successful at marketing themselves as well. Jeanette has aligned herself with several pool computer games which was a smart move. I was actually in one of her commercials for Virtual Pool 3 and got to see first hand her star treatment in the industry.
My point is this - let's take the BS out of Billiard Sports (illiard ports?). Quit bashing Kevin. He has brought a new enthusiasm and interest in pool, bringing it to the masses and infused new money into the sport, bringing the opportunity for players and the industry to advance. The WPA should welcome another contender into the ring if they really want their players to succeed. "Natural pool - what THEY don't want you to know about."
Sorry this is so long - I saved it all up to reply to everyone at once.
Play on the tour, have a good time, milk any money out of it if you can, make what you can out of it, but for God sake don't make excuses for this guy, you come off as a kiss ass fool. I doubt at the age of 28 when he was defrauding AMX to the tune of $122,000.00 it had anything to do with being adopted and they don't stick you in jail for two years because you didn't balance your check book like he would like you to think. This guys MO is and always will be he will do what ever it takes to survive he could care less about anybody but Kevin. Maybe pool will benefit from what ever his current scheme is maybe it won't but that has nothing to do with what he is as a person. I doubt he is reading your posts but maybe you can print them out for him to read so he will be your friend. Just go play in the tournament talk it up, do your best to make it a success but stop sounding like such a fool when it comes to him. I remember the idiots who used to stand outside the court room when John Gotti was on trial who would yell at him how much they loved him as he would come and go, I guess hoping he would notice them or something. People can be strange that is for sure, look at all the Michael Jackson morons. For the record I hope it is a success but could care less about Kevin, no matter how you look at it he himself is a piece of dirt, but who knows, even a scumbag can do something nice, but they are still a scumbag. Al Capone ran soup kitchens for the poor but I doubt any of them harbored any illusions about who he really was. When you are desperate you don't care who comes to your aid, unfortunately that is where pool is. I imagine they would not care if he was a drug dealer looking for a way to launder money as long as there was something in it for them. People are very good at rationalizing. Someone else asked if I had some kind of ax to grind with him because of the tone of my posts, I guess the answer is yes. I don't like Kevin and people like him and it is a shame seeing people getting in bed with him over the pool thing. Deno is the biggest shock to me. He is lucky his mother didn't run into a guy like Kevin when he was young or he would still be 3 feet tall, it just shows anybody can be bought, he should be ashamed. I have finally said what I really think on the subject without dancing around the issues so I guess that will have to be my last word on the subject.
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macguy said:
Well, based on your post, you are a complete IDIOT. I don't like people like you. He is not Al Capone, John Gotti, Michael Jackson or a drug dealer. He committed a crime many years ago and he did time for it that is the end of that story, it ended something like 14 years ago, there is nothing to indicate he has ever committed a crime since. As hard as it is for someone like you to believe sometimes people do rehabilitate and are given another chance. He sounds like a VERY straight shooter to me and your psychotic ramblings won't change any sane persons opinion of him. In order for him to do something this big he has to ignore all of the idiots that would try to belittle or stop him and you are such a small idiot you will never enter his radar.
Wayne
Gabber
Banned
nah
Out of the MILLIONS of pool players around the world, only 150 will benefit from the IPT so lets try and keep things in context.
BTW, If KT was so worried about credibility, for a small fee he could have been oficially sanctioned by the WPA! As he has already demonstrated this is all about Kevin- he is now ordering players to attend an event they are not playing in and telling them what to wear. I have no doubt he will pretty soon be telling them what they can say and to whom- if it hasnt already happened.
G....thinks pool has never been so popular.
rackmsuckr said:
Out of the MILLIONS of pool players around the world, only 150 will benefit from the IPT so lets try and keep things in context.
BTW, If KT was so worried about credibility, for a small fee he could have been oficially sanctioned by the WPA! As he has already demonstrated this is all about Kevin- he is now ordering players to attend an event they are not playing in and telling them what to wear. I have no doubt he will pretty soon be telling them what they can say and to whom- if it hasnt already happened.
G....thinks pool has never been so popular.
Gabber said:
Count me among the many on this forum that feel that WPA sanctioning of the IPT would not have any effect on that tour's credibility.
Small fee for sanctioning? Not exactly. Trudeau would have to pay six figures for sanctioning of his first event alone. He doesn't see what he gets in return for it, and frankly, neither do I.
As many have noted, this would, on the surface, appear to mean that he's not supporting our sport trhough his event, but as many others have noted, if this venutre succeeds, it will raise our sport's profile, ultimately helping it.
sjm said:
I'm just getting up to speed on this whole affair but your's is the voice of reason and common sense. Pool needs the sugar daddy and this guy steps forward with the cash and some benevalance(sp) for those who deserve some recognition for past proformance. What pool enthusiast wouldn't think this flier Kevin is taken is good for the sport of pool. Who else has stepped forward? What lover of the sport of pool wouldn't have their fingers crossed for this venture to take hold and grow our sport. What sense would it make for the person who's putting it our there too put in with the alphabet soup of organizatios who' track records haven't produced for this sport advancement
I'm all in for this guy for the simple reason that he is doing something right or wrong something is about to happen and all I have to do is watch and hope it works for the best of the game....golf season is over...LOL
Gabber said:
Those 150 will have more money to gamble with, so if you happen to think that some whose skills are lacking were selected, you could try to beat them for it.
Plus, more pool $$ and more exposure = more pool halls, better local tournaments and hopefully minor league tours.
Cheers,
Regas
Gabber said:
Out of the MILLIONS of pool players around the world, only 150 will benefit from the IPT so lets try and keep things in context.
I am always amazed at how many people still don't get that 3 out of the 5 stops in 2006 are OPEN to anyone!!!! The 150 only have the advantage in 2 of the stops. It is very likely that anyone not 'selected' can play in the last 2 for 2 and 3 million dollars, and end up with more than most of the 150 made all season.
BTW, If KT was so worried about credibility, for a small fee he could have been oficially sanctioned by the WPA!
Why does he need sanctioning? Would that make him credible? And 6 figures is not a small fee, especially if it gains nothing.
As he has already demonstrated this is all about Kevin- he is now ordering players to attend an event they are not playing in and telling them what to wear. I have no doubt he will pretty soon be telling them what they can say and to whom- if it hasnt already happened.
We will attend the event as the kickoff to the season, and have the opportunity to learn about the rules, have official press interviews and photos, both individually and as a group. Those photos need to be in place BEFORE the actual programs are printed for the first official stop in 2006. In addition, we will get to see without playing, how the top players are handling the new rules, 'tighter' pockets, and slow cloth. That is going to be valuable information going into our first tournament.
He wants (and not just Kevin, but everyone associated with the tour) to look their best. If our sport is to attract mainstream corporate sponsorship, we need to be marketed with our best feet forward. How is that unreasonable? As far as what to say and to whom, the WPBA has a media guide that addresses how the players should act with the media and in interviews. Are you saying there should be no standards of conduct at all?
Gabber
Banned
Do you agree that your last post is full of inaccuracies?
eg,
WHAT BAN? I havent heard of any ban.
And, only because you brought it up-
You said,
"About the FTC charges, READ THE BOOK! Kevin goes in depth regarding the unholy alliance with the FTC, FDA and the food industry that is big business trying to control all aspects of what you hear, read, see, put in your mouth or take as medication. Obesity is now a 'disease' instead of being overweight and only drugs can cure disease (instead of eating less and exercising). To say otherwise is anarchy and must be punished. Kevin says that if he says oranges CURE scurvy, then oranges must be considered a drug and must be patented! How ludicrous is that?I thought it was Vitamin C."
KT infomercial,
Doctor Callahan's Addiction Breaking System," promised to cure addictions, including the compulsive desire to eat, use alcohol, cocaine, heroin or tobacco. The infomercials also claimed that the system could lead to significant weight loss without the need to diet or exercise. "We're going to be sharing Dr. Callahan's revolutionary breakthrough that he had discovered while studying quantum physics," the infomercial said. "Dr. Callahan came up with the breakthrough that in 60 seconds can eliminate your addictive urge to overeat, to smoke cigarettes, to do any compulsion, any type of addicted behavior, whether it be alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, food . . . Now this technique will take 60 seconds to apply and works virtually 100 percent of the time." In fact, the video tape sold in the infomercial showed Dr. Callahan demonstrating his "revolutionary addiction breaking system"-- a series of gestures, including tapping his face, chest and hand; rolling his eyes; and humming, which, if mimicked, were the supposed addiction cure. The claims were false, the FTC alleged. "
Note the two sentences in red. Do you see the contradiction?
rackmsuckr,
"Kevin also does not sell any vitamin/mineral/supplement products". Ever heard of Coral Calcium?
I think the less said about Natural Cures the better.
A simple Q,- what is the format and the payouts for the open tournys?
G....
eg,
WHAT BAN? I havent heard of any ban.
And, only because you brought it up-
You said,
"About the FTC charges, READ THE BOOK! Kevin goes in depth regarding the unholy alliance with the FTC, FDA and the food industry that is big business trying to control all aspects of what you hear, read, see, put in your mouth or take as medication. Obesity is now a 'disease' instead of being overweight and only drugs can cure disease (instead of eating less and exercising). To say otherwise is anarchy and must be punished. Kevin says that if he says oranges CURE scurvy, then oranges must be considered a drug and must be patented! How ludicrous is that?I thought it was Vitamin C."
KT infomercial,
Doctor Callahan's Addiction Breaking System," promised to cure addictions, including the compulsive desire to eat, use alcohol, cocaine, heroin or tobacco. The infomercials also claimed that the system could lead to significant weight loss without the need to diet or exercise. "We're going to be sharing Dr. Callahan's revolutionary breakthrough that he had discovered while studying quantum physics," the infomercial said. "Dr. Callahan came up with the breakthrough that in 60 seconds can eliminate your addictive urge to overeat, to smoke cigarettes, to do any compulsion, any type of addicted behavior, whether it be alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, food . . . Now this technique will take 60 seconds to apply and works virtually 100 percent of the time." In fact, the video tape sold in the infomercial showed Dr. Callahan demonstrating his "revolutionary addiction breaking system"-- a series of gestures, including tapping his face, chest and hand; rolling his eyes; and humming, which, if mimicked, were the supposed addiction cure. The claims were false, the FTC alleged. "
Note the two sentences in red. Do you see the contradiction?
rackmsuckr,
"Kevin also does not sell any vitamin/mineral/supplement products". Ever heard of Coral Calcium?
I think the less said about Natural Cures the better.
A simple Q,- what is the format and the payouts for the open tournys?
G....
Gabber said:Do you agree that your last post is full of inaccuracies?
eg,
WHAT BAN? I havent heard of any ban.
I was only referring to a prior post that if there was a ban, that might be why Ortman, etc. did not join.
And, only because you brought it up-
You said,
"About the FTC charges, READ THE BOOK! Kevin goes in depth regarding the unholy alliance with the FTC, FDA and the food industry that is big business trying to control all aspects of what you hear, read, see, put in your mouth or take as medication. Obesity is now a 'disease' instead of being overweight and only drugs can cure disease (instead of eating less and exercising). To say otherwise is anarchy and must be punished. Kevin says that if he says oranges CURE scurvy, then oranges must be considered a drug and must be patented! How ludicrous is that?I thought it was Vitamin C."
It may have been. That was on the CD version that a friend told me about last night. I only have the book.
KT infomercial,
Doctor Callahan's Addiction Breaking System," promised to cure addictions, including the compulsive desire to eat, use alcohol, cocaine, heroin or tobacco. The infomercials also claimed that the system could lead to significant weight loss without the need to diet or exercise. "We're going to be sharing Dr. Callahan's revolutionary breakthrough that he had discovered while studying quantum physics," the infomercial said. "Dr. Callahan came up with the breakthrough that in 60 seconds can eliminate your addictive urge to overeat, to smoke cigarettes, to do any compulsion, any type of addicted behavior, whether it be alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, food . . . Now this technique will take 60 seconds to apply and works virtually 100 percent of the time." In fact, the video tape sold in the infomercial showed Dr. Callahan demonstrating his "revolutionary addiction breaking system"-- a series of gestures, including tapping his face, chest and hand; rolling his eyes; and humming, which, if mimicked, were the supposed addiction cure. The claims were false, the FTC alleged. "
Note the two sentences in red. Do you see the contradiction?
Actually, no, he is saying that he can "cure addictions including the compulsive desire to eat" which means if you eat less it leads to weight loss.
rackmsuckr,
"Kevin also does not sell any vitamin/mineral/supplement products". Ever heard of Coral Calcium?
He does not sell coral calcium, but advocates the use of it.
I think the less said about Natural Cures the better.
A simple Q,- what is the format and the payouts for the open tournys?
Don't know yet - that is why we are going to the first one - to get our questions answered.
G....
See my answers to your comments above.
Gabber
Banned
sidestepping.
"It is a US based organization, but look at the roster of players - it truly is international. The players I do not believe are too afraid of the ban. "
"I was only referring to a prior post that if there was a ban, that might be why Ortman, etc. did not join."
My point is this - let's take the BS out of Billiard Sports (illiard ports?).Why dont you start the ball rolling and stop spreading false rumours and inuendo!
A simple Q,- what is the format and the payouts for the open tournys?
Don't know yet - Thought so. that is why we are going to the first one - to get our questions answered.
G
"It is a US based organization, but look at the roster of players - it truly is international. The players I do not believe are too afraid of the ban. "
"I was only referring to a prior post that if there was a ban, that might be why Ortman, etc. did not join."
My point is this - let's take the BS out of Billiard Sports (illiard ports?).Why dont you start the ball rolling and stop spreading false rumours and inuendo!
A simple Q,- what is the format and the payouts for the open tournys?
Don't know yet - Thought so. that is why we are going to the first one - to get our questions answered.
G
Let me get this straight......A guy with big bucks and a shady past wants to put up millions of dollars to help professional pool. He may be shady. But his money is clean, as best I can tell. He might be selling snake oil but remember, someone, in fact, millions, are buying it.
Then, a group of pool players who are broke and whose past is likely to be as bad or worse than his, accuse him of being shady. ???
I submit that the success or failure of the IPT will have little to do with the man who donated the money, or where the money came from. It will have everything to do with what the players do with this opportunity and how much they respect the money's availability. After all, I've yet to meet a pool player that has any respect for money. Easy come, easy go.
Then, a group of pool players who are broke and whose past is likely to be as bad or worse than his, accuse him of being shady. ???
I submit that the success or failure of the IPT will have little to do with the man who donated the money, or where the money came from. It will have everything to do with what the players do with this opportunity and how much they respect the money's availability. After all, I've yet to meet a pool player that has any respect for money. Easy come, easy go.
Question???
What does his infomercials and the products he sells have to do with pool and what he is doing for the sport right now? I don't see the connection with that. If he's found a way to make millions off of something all I've got to say is wish I had thought of it.
Kay
What does his infomercials and the products he sells have to do with pool and what he is doing for the sport right now? I don't see the connection with that. If he's found a way to make millions off of something all I've got to say is wish I had thought of it.
Kay
swami4u said:
It is important to note that our fellow forum member, Juegabillar, did not write the letter, he merely shared it. Probably disgusted with the WPA's effort, as well.
I had a thought about the downside of the IPT for many here on AZ:
Pros giving lessons are going to get very expensive and hard to come by. Why? Because a pro can make more money and spend his/her time more wisely in the IPT than, for example, giving lessons to some doctor from Indiana.
Make your lesson plans in a hurry, is my advice.
Jeff Livingston
Pros giving lessons are going to get very expensive and hard to come by. Why? Because a pro can make more money and spend his/her time more wisely in the IPT than, for example, giving lessons to some doctor from Indiana.
Make your lesson plans in a hurry, is my advice.
Jeff Livingston
bruin70 said:
My 2 cents .The wpa has no tv coverage in the usa .I never seen them on tv .Or come up with a ideal like that ( of the ipt) to help the die sport Or the game .The move ahead..Pool has no good legs to stand on .No real backers .( sponsors) to help out the game..So if this can be the start, we all should pray that this time it can work For all players, Pro and Non-pro's..There are so many thing wrong with pool is not funny Pro playing in non pro events ..jus to make money to play in the pro events ..Ha.But the sad thing is that we love the game so much and we'll do anything to play this craze game called POOL>>..I say good luck to the ipt tour ..Maybe now the pro pool players can make the money that ( A pro Bowler makes.) And pro bowlers make a lot more then a pro pool player..Ihope it work .We all can get somethin out of this if we jus look deeper..
Deadstroke32 ..n this is my 2 ceants...
With all due respect, when I look at the table here: http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=cal2005 , it appears that some of the WPA sanctioned tournaments in the US are boardcast on TV.
Richard
Richard
nipponbilliards said:
Ok i see that, but do thay put in money in the events ? and what time do they show events ? ones a year.Around xmas ....