Shaft wax / sealant

Hrmpf, mine is still on the way. Guess they shipped it, but with UPS priority it's gonna take a lot of time to Germany. Afaik, Priority in the UPS-sense means that it's time to do this when there is nothing else to do :cool:

Regards,

Detlev
 
Aristo said:
Hi, I've been cleaning my shaft with the magic eraser + alcohol with amazing results. Although after I'm finished cleaning, the pores of the wood open up and within a week or two my shaft turns blue again. I was wondering if I applied sealant or some sort of wax, would it protect my shaft better and prolong the need for cleaning it? If so, which brand sealant / wax is the best on the market?
Use Carnuba car wax (paste not polish). I'd get one of the top name brands of wax and it will last you a long time.

You are right about sealing the shaft pores to keep the chalk and dirt out.

James
 
he's right Carnauba is what you want,however most car waxes have a very low percentage of carnauba.many under 5% and most all under 25%.if you want the good stuff,you are going to have to pay for it.

here is a 61% percent blend it is the highest percentage i ahve seen in a car wax,but look at the price:

http://www.autoanything.com/car-care/69A2233A0A0.aspx
 
only thing about Carnauba wax is that fnger and hand oils dissolve it quickly.it works for a very short period of time.
 
masonh said:
only thing about Carnauba wax is that fnger and hand oils dissolve it quickly.it works for a very short period of time.


Thats why the bowling alley wax works so well. It builds up a hard finish & last a fairly long time. I'm not sure about some of you...but I know my shafts don't receive the abuse of a bowling alley lane.;)
 
OK, so I'm on baord;
Got the bowling alley wax and 0000 steel wool. Got it.

About maintenance,

Do I wipe down the cue with a cloth, or use alcohol first to clean a waxed up cue to maintain it? Do this after a few hours of play, or when it starts to feel gunky? Trying to get things hooked up, but yea, I love the feel of the cue after it's waxed up. Sometimes, on a new application, I feel like applying it two times (wax, buff with 0000 steel wool, repeat) really gets it started off right.

On a side note...I love how quick people are to dismiss Varney, like he doesn't know what he is doing. :rolleyes: Yea, OK.
 
Gregg said:
OK, so I'm on baord;
Got the bowling alley wax and 0000 steel wool. Got it.

About maintenance,

Do I wipe down the cue with a cloth, or use alcohol first to clean a waxed up cue to maintain it? Do this after a few hours of play, or when it starts to feel gunky? Trying to get things hooked up, but yea, I love the feel of the cue after it's waxed up. Sometimes, on a new application, I feel like applying it two times (wax, buff with 0000 steel wool, repeat) really gets it started off right.

On a side note...I love how quick people are to dismiss Varney, like he doesn't know what he is doing. :rolleyes: Yea, OK.

I think I got it, but might be confused too. I think people say things within a context and know what they meant, but the people listening can be in the position to not realize what that context was and misunderstand where the comment fit in the big picture. So let me try to summarize, and Varney, jump in if I get it wrong.

First Concept: If you have never used the Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax before, you want to start fresh and clean. So use Magic Erasure with water (per the directions) or alcohol (for even better results (?). This will work well, but if it's the first cleaning you've done in a while and you have lots of chalk bluing and the old wax/sealer, it's still going to take some time and elbow grease. Besides better cleaning, I think one reason to use alcohol, is that it evaporates quickly so it's less likely to raise the grain of the wood. Speaking of which, one key thing here is to use an ever so slight amount of alcohol (or water), in order to raise as little wood grain as possible - just enough to activate the Magic Erasure. This is why it could AND SHOULD be a slow process. After you're done, if you did raise the grain, you'll probably want to use a very fine grit sand paper to smooth things out again. This would be like a burnishing too almost. But you will remove some wood. So this entire "first concept" is hopefully a one time thing or VERY rare thing in the life of your shaft.

Second Concept: Apply the Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax as has been discussed (wax and cloth). If this is the first application after the initial cleaning, maybe do two applications. If I understood Varney correctly, NOW that this has been done, future applications of Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax will act as a cleaner and remove chalk while in the process of applying new coats - no more Magic Erasure.

Third Concept: Varney said to use Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax fairly regularly (once a week for everyday players?). So over time you build up a lot of wax, which is good, because it probably gets better and better in terms of keeping the shaft smooth in your stroking hand and clean. But the downside is that it might get too hard and end up having the feel of a cue butt with a clear coat finish on it. This is where the 0000 steel wool comes in. Apply it as Varney said to go back to a smooth buttery, rather than a smooth grippy.

Which by the way, I've always wondered why clear coat can be so smooth and yet so grippy at the same time - anybody? All I know is that I prefer "wrapless" cues.

Varney, you really need to jump in now to verify that I understood all this correctly. I was just trying to help the communication process by giving the entire big picture. Whether I described the picture correctly or not is another thing.

Don
 
Gregg said:
OK, so I'm on baord;
Got the bowling alley wax and 0000 steel wool. Got it.

About maintenance,

Do I wipe down the cue with a cloth, or use alcohol first to clean a waxed up cue to maintain it? Do this after a few hours of play, or when it starts to feel gunky? Trying to get things hooked up, but yea, I love the feel of the cue after it's waxed up. Sometimes, on a new application, I feel like applying it two times (wax, buff with 0000 steel wool, repeat) really gets it started off right.

On a side note...I love how quick people are to dismiss Varney, like he doesn't know what he is doing. :rolleyes: Yea, OK.
Varney Cues said:
For me....the Butchers is just a harder finish & longer lasting. Wait until you've used it 20+ times....you haven't seen anything yet. It really builds a nice almost glassy finish. My personal shaft feels like its coated in baby oil....LOL!!!!
According to the message I got from Kevin I don't think you're supposed to strip the wax off at all, just continue to re-apply it after each outing. Makes sense really 'cause your shaft shouldn't be getting too dirty with the protection the wax provides. I am interested in trying the 0000 steel wool as well to see if that will get rid of the tackiness a little bit, not that it's a big problem 'cause I use talc anyways, so it's not really that noticeable to me.

Shevek I think you got it exactly.
 
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Shevek said:
I think I got it, but might be confused too. I think people say things within a context and know what they meant, but the people listening can be in the position to not realize what that context was and misunderstand where the comment fit in the big picture. So let me try to summarize, and Varney, jump in if I get it wrong.

First Concept: If you have never used the Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax before, you want to start fresh and clean. So use Magic Erasure with water (per the directions) or alcohol (for even better results (?). This will work well, but if it's the first cleaning you've done in a while and you have lots of chalk bluing and the old wax/sealer, it's still going to take some time and elbow grease. Besides better cleaning, I think one reason to use alcohol, is that it evaporates quickly so it's less likely to raise the grain of the wood. Speaking of which, one key thing here is to use an ever so slight amount of alcohol (or water), in order to raise as little wood grain as possible - just enough to activate the Magic Erasure. This is why it could AND SHOULD be a slow process. After you're done, if you did raise the grain, you'll probably want to use a very fine grit sand paper to smooth things out again. This would be like a burnishing too almost. But you will remove some wood. So this entire "first concept" is hopefully a one time thing or VERY rare thing in the life of your shaft.

Second Concept: Apply the Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax as has been discussed (wax and cloth). If this is the first application after the initial cleaning, maybe do two applications. If I understood Varney correctly, NOW that this has been done, future applications of Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax will act as a cleaner and remove chalk while in the process of applying new coats - no more Magic Erasure.

Third Concept: Varney said to use Butcher's Bowling Ally Wax fairly regularly (once a week for everyday players?). So over time you build up a lot of wax, which is good, because it probably gets better and better in terms of keeping the shaft smooth in your stroking hand and clean. But the downside is that it might get too hard and end up having the feel of a cue butt with a clear coat finish on it. This is where the 0000 steel wool comes in. Apply it as Varney said to go back to a smooth buttery, rather than a smooth grippy.

Which by the way, I've always wondered why clear coat can be so smooth and yet so grippy at the same time - anybody? All I know is that I prefer "wrapless" cues.

Varney, you really need to jump in now to verify that I understood all this correctly. I was just trying to help the communication process by giving the entire big picture. Whether I described the picture correctly or not is another thing.

Don
You've pretty much nailed it Don. They only thing I may add is that if your shafts are in fairly decent shape....you can skip Don's "first concept". The Magic eraser is only needed if your shaft is in horrible shape & you want it cleaned like new. The wax alone will do a pretty fair job of removing the blue chalk patina...only leaving it in the deepest of pores...and I don't mind that lightly used look on my shaft. I doubt I'd ever use the Magic eraser on my personal shafts. Instead of cleaning...just rub the wax on the shaft & look how blue your wax rag turns...thats clean enough for me...and I didn't have to raise any grain & LIGHTLY sand it back down.
Trueblu8 has it too....the more you use it the better. It'll keep building up a layer of protection and sealing the pores. One thing I stess is make sure you buff it VERY well after waxing. I don't even allow the wax to dry. I rub the wax in until I feel it heating up well....then grab a clean cloth and buff like crazy. Some players love this ultra slick finish....some may feel its sticky or tacky...kind of like the shaft has been cleared like the butt. I myself as a last and very final step take a piece of the 0000 steel wool and just VERY LIGHTLY rub the shaft 1 or 2 passes. This removes a bit of the shine and leaves a slicker feeling satin finish. I apply the wax every single time before or after I play. Every time I put my cue together my brain says "wow...this shaft feels good". If I let someone hit a ball or two....they have a 100 questions as to how and get theirs like that...they usually just hand over their shaft & $20.:)
Lastly...thank you for the kind words Gregg.:)
 
Varney Cues said:
The wax alone will do a pretty fair job of removing the blue chalk patina...only leaving it in the deepest of pores...and I don't mind that lightly used look on my shaft. I doubt I'd ever use the Magic eraser on my personal shafts...

Yeah, I wanted all the blue gone, so I went with the Magic Eraser, recommended by someone other than Varney, as a first step.

As a side note, can anyone explain to me why clear coat on the butt and the last few inches of the shaft is so smooth and, at the same time, so grippy?

Thanks
Don
 
Butchers Bowling Ally Wax..!

I just bought a 1 lb can at Ace Harware $8.40 includeing tax. I am applying and buffing now!!
Thanks it looks Great...When I saw it was for musical instruments I knew it would be Good!
 
Shevek said:
As a side note, can anyone explain to me why clear coat on the butt and the last few inches of the shaft is so smooth and, at the same time, so grippy?
Thanks
Don
C'mon Don, a guy as sharp as you should know the answer to that one. It's a porous surface vs. a non-porous one, just compare it with a smooth clear glass, to a frosted one. A surface that is smooth, and non-porous is simply going to provide more contact area and grip than porous one, that is unless it has some kind of lubricant, or powder applied to it.

Bluey2King said:
I just bought a 1 lb can at Ace Harware $8.40 includeing tax. I am applying and buffing now!!
Thanks it looks Great...When I saw it was for musical instruments I knew it would be Good!
I was about to ask you, where the hell did you see that?! Lol. But sure enough, it does say that on the can. Pretty cool. :)
 
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Are you guys letting the paste dry first? I've tried it both ways and my results are not that impressive (unless my shafts were slick already). What techniques are you using?

JED
 
jed1894 said:
Are you guys letting the paste dry first? I've tried it both ways and my results are not that impressive (unless my shafts were slick already). What techniques are you using?

JED

I have'nt used the stuff yet but should be getting it pretty soon. I think Varney said he applies it and burnishes right away until it gets hot without letting it dry. Then burnish with another clean cloth to buff after it cools down.

Asgar
 
sponge bob said:
I have'nt used the stuff yet but should be getting it pretty soon. I think Varney said he applies it and burnishes right away until it gets hot without letting it dry. Then burnish with another clean cloth to buff after it cools down.

Asgar

Got it. I tried letting it set/sit for about 5 minutes then burnished. The results were okay, but no better than it was to start out with. I'll try it the other way tonight.

thanks, JED
 
long term shaft care - waxes and oils

I use Johnson's and have been satisfied with Minwax. There is very little difference between them (carnuba) but you have to watch out for the colored/dyed products from Minwax.

I have never known of a natural wood product that didn't like wax or did like water. Please don't use water on your shafts...it can cause big problems ... quality shafts are carefully dried to a consistent moisture content ... water works against this.

As pointed out, some like their shafts waxed, some don't. I think those that don't have had problems of wax buildup ... many layers of wax will not harden to resemble anything but a mess and will need to be stripped occasionally. There are several products for stripping old wax that do not contain water. The other likely problem is application...heat is necessary for better penetration...excess should be removed.

Please don't use abrasive on your shafts...under heavy use a shaft can lose as much as a half a millimeter a year just due to hand friction. Sanding with a grit below 1000 can change the section profile from round to egg shaped. Don't do it. In a pinch, a dollar bill has the approximate abrasive effect of a 2000 grit (a guess).

There are several alternatives to carnuba:

1) applied patina - Lots of the old players liked their shafts dirty so we developed several methods to do that...be creative with your old shafts to test first.
2) oils - Natural wood loves oil too. Teak oil, tung oil, linseed oil, lemon oil, nut oils, etc. I like oiling wood a few times in its life cycle. If I can get it really dry (>6%) I like to apply a light oil before I wax. You have to be really careful because it can increase the weight of your cue, sometimes substantially. Oil can occupy interstitial space. It will also change color and vibration tone.
3) natural patina - very difficult to beat the feel of a well worn shaft. Adopt good habits of handling your shafts. Don't get them wet from condensation from your beverage, keep your front hand clean and don't let idiots repair them.
4) polymer coatings - several available, jury still out.
5) alternate waxes - beeswax at the top of the list. Very expensive, requires a carrier oil and a hardener. No better finish.

Hope this helps

Just my opinion, you be the judge

Andy
 
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